Re: [PATCH] Bug 3800 -- Confusing "Adapt Output"

2007-06-05 Thread Enrico Forestieri
On Tue, Jun 05, 2007 at 04:17:00PM +0200, Herbert Voss wrote: > Enrico Forestieri wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 05, 2007 at 01:25:43PM +0200, Herbert Voss wrote: > >> Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > "Herbert" == Herbert Voss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > >>> Herbert> dvips is a driver and not

Re: [PATCH] Bug 3800 -- Confusing "Adapt Output"

2007-06-05 Thread Herbert Voss
Enrico Forestieri wrote: > On Tue, Jun 05, 2007 at 01:25:43PM +0200, Herbert Voss wrote: >> Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: "Herbert" == Herbert Voss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >>> Herbert> dvips is a driver and not a printing program. >>> >>> It can be seen as both IMO. >> absolutely not!

Re: [PATCH] Bug 3800 -- Confusing "Adapt Output"

2007-06-05 Thread Enrico Forestieri
On Tue, Jun 05, 2007 at 07:07:14AM +0200, Enrico Forestieri wrote: > On Mon, Jun 04, 2007 at 06:12:22PM -0400, Richard Heck wrote: > > > Enrico Forestieri wrote: > > > On Mon, Jun 04, 2007 at 12:52:25PM -0400, Richard Heck wrote: > > > > > > So the question is what to do about this. Option (i): Ki

Re: [PATCH] Bug 3800 -- Confusing "Adapt Output"

2007-06-05 Thread Enrico Forestieri
On Tue, Jun 05, 2007 at 01:25:43PM +0200, Herbert Voss wrote: > Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > >> "Herbert" == Herbert Voss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Herbert> dvips is a driver and not a printing program. > > > > It can be seen as both IMO. > > absolutely not! dvips is a PostScript driv

Re: [PATCH] Bug 3800 -- Confusing "Adapt Output"

2007-06-05 Thread Herbert Voss
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: >> "Herbert" == Herbert Voss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >>> You should :) How do you use dvips in a linux-like setup? > > Herbert> pretty easy ... :-) there is a config.ps and all other > Herbert> settings or different config files are under user control. > >

Re: [PATCH] Bug 3800 -- Confusing "Adapt Output"

2007-06-05 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Herbert" == Herbert Voss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> You should :) How do you use dvips in a linux-like setup? Herbert> pretty easy ... :-) there is a config.ps and all other Herbert> settings or different config files are under user control. Hmm, and how do you specify the printer to

Re: [PATCH] Bug 3800 -- Confusing "Adapt Output"

2007-06-05 Thread Herbert Voss
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: >> "Herbert" == Herbert Voss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Herbert> Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: "Herbert" == Herbert Voss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Herbert> this is nowadays only of some historical interest ... As seen > Herbert> is Richard's config l

Re: [PATCH] Bug 3800 -- Confusing "Adapt Output"

2007-06-05 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Herbert" == Herbert Voss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Herbert> Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: >>> "Herbert" == Herbert Voss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Herbert> this is nowadays only of some historical interest ... As seen Herbert> is Richard's config list from Fedora, the file is used a

Re: [PATCH] Bug 3800 -- Confusing "Adapt Output"

2007-06-05 Thread Herbert Voss
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: >> "Herbert" == Herbert Voss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Herbert> this is nowadays only of some historical interest ... As seen > Herbert> is Richard's config list from Fedora, the file is used as a > Herbert> config file. > > In large-ish organizations (univer

Re: [PATCH] Bug 3800 -- Confusing "Adapt Output"

2007-06-05 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Herbert" == Herbert Voss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Herbert> this is nowadays only of some historical interest ... As seen Herbert> is Richard's config list from Fedora, the file is used as a Herbert> config file. In large-ish organizations (universities), it makes much sense to use it as

Re: [PATCH] Bug 3800 -- Confusing "Adapt Output"

2007-06-04 Thread Herbert Voss
Enrico Forestieri wrote: > On Mon, Jun 04, 2007 at 10:45:40PM +0200, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > >>> "Herbert" == Herbert Voss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Herbert> these are _all_ config files and not printer files. >> >> Herbert> dvips -P >> >> Herbert> eg dvips -Pcmz >> >> In the old d

Re: [PATCH] Bug 3800 -- Confusing "Adapt Output"

2007-06-04 Thread Herbert Voss
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: >> "Richard" == Richard Heck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Richard> And by the way, I think this means that "case 2"---see > Richard> LyXFunc.cpp, line 1065 or so---is broken. This handles the > Richard> case where no "spool command", such as lp, is provided. In >

Re: [PATCH] Bug 3800 -- Confusing "Adapt Output"

2007-06-04 Thread Enrico Forestieri
On Mon, Jun 04, 2007 at 06:12:22PM -0400, Richard Heck wrote: > Enrico Forestieri wrote: > > On Mon, Jun 04, 2007 at 12:52:25PM -0400, Richard Heck wrote: > > > > So the question is what to do about this. Option (i): Kill the box. If a > > user wants to run dvips -Pwhatever, let h'er enter it int

Re: [PATCH] Bug 3800 -- Confusing "Adapt Output"

2007-06-04 Thread Richard Heck
Richard> And by the way, I think this means that "case 2"---see Richard> LyXFunc.cpp, line 1065 or so---is broken. This handles the Richard> case where no "spool command", such as lp, is provided. In Richard> that case, you'll just get: dvips -P, but the output will go Richard> to the default pr

Re: [PATCH] Bug 3800 -- Confusing "Adapt Output"

2007-06-04 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Richard" == Richard Heck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Richard> And by the way, I think this means that "case 2"---see Richard> LyXFunc.cpp, line 1065 or so---is broken. This handles the Richard> case where no "spool command", such as lp, is provided. In Richard> that case, you'll just get: d

Re: [PATCH] Bug 3800 -- Confusing "Adapt Output"

2007-06-04 Thread Enrico Forestieri
On Mon, Jun 04, 2007 at 10:45:40PM +0200, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > > "Herbert" == Herbert Voss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Herbert> these are _all_ config files and not printer files. > > Herbert> dvips -P > > Herbert> eg dvips -Pcmz > > In the old days, it was not about brand ne

Re: [PATCH] Bug 3800 -- Confusing "Adapt Output"

2007-06-04 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Enrico" == Enrico Forestieri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Enrico> I agree that this is not for the casual user, though. If we document how to use ERT to make tables with flashy colored cells, we can probably support the basic dvips options. JMarc

Re: [PATCH] Bug 3800 -- Confusing "Adapt Output"

2007-06-04 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Enrico" == Enrico Forestieri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Printer Command box. Option (ii): Keep the box, but add a tooltip >> along the lines I suggested last: Either "Check this box only if >> you have config. files installed for each printer you use." Or: "If >> you don't know what thi

Re: [PATCH] Bug 3800 -- Confusing "Adapt Output"

2007-06-04 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Herbert" == Herbert Voss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Herbert> these are _all_ config files and not printer files. Herbert> dvips -P Herbert> eg dvips -Pcmz In the old days, it was not about brand new fonts, but rather metafont modes. Typical case, besides the known problem of DPI settin

Re: [PATCH] Bug 3800 -- Confusing "Adapt Output"

2007-06-04 Thread Enrico Forestieri
On Mon, Jun 04, 2007 at 07:42:07PM +0200, Herbert Voss wrote: > Enrico Forestieri wrote: > > >> config. is misleading. For example: config.pdf is a config file > >> to use always Type 1 fonts but I can print the ps file on _every_ printer > > > > Granted. But what if you have 300, 600, and 1200

Re: [PATCH] Bug 3800 -- Confusing "Adapt Output"

2007-06-04 Thread Herbert Voss
Enrico Forestieri wrote: >> config. is misleading. For example: config.pdf is a config file >> to use always Type 1 fonts but I can print the ps file on _every_ printer > > Granted. But what if you have 300, 600, and 1200 dpi printers? > The "Adapt Output" thing let you adapt (sic!) the pk fonts

Re: [PATCH] Bug 3800 -- Confusing "Adapt Output"

2007-06-04 Thread Michael Gerz
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes schrieb: So the meaning is something like "generate postscript adapted to this particular printer". But of course, if dvips has not been configured to know this printer, all you get is an error. Does this help? It is still an expert's option but now at least I have some i

Re: [PATCH] Bug 3800 -- Confusing "Adapt Output"

2007-06-04 Thread Enrico Forestieri
On Mon, Jun 04, 2007 at 01:05:54PM -0400, Richard Heck wrote: > Richard Heck wrote: > > Yes, I understand this now, and was inferring the opposite from the > > existing code. If you check the box we're discussing, what you get, as > > JMarc said, is: > >dvips -Pmy_printer && lpr -Pmy_printer

Re: [PATCH] Bug 3800 -- Confusing "Adapt Output"

2007-06-04 Thread Enrico Forestieri
On Mon, Jun 04, 2007 at 12:52:25PM -0400, Richard Heck wrote: > Herbert Voss wrote: > > Richard Heck wrote: > > > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] src]$ find /usr/share/texmf/dvips/ -name 'config.*' > >> /usr/share/texmf/dvips/tetex/config.www > >> /usr/share/texmf/dvips/tetex/config.download35 > >> /usr/s

Re: [PATCH] Bug 3800 -- Confusing "Adapt Output"

2007-06-04 Thread Enrico Forestieri
On Mon, Jun 04, 2007 at 07:03:58PM +0200, Herbert Voss wrote: > Richard Heck wrote: > > Herbert Voss wrote: > >> Richard Heck wrote: > >> > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] src]$ find /usr/share/texmf/dvips/ -name 'config.*' > >>> /usr/share/texmf/dvips/tetex/config.www > >>> /usr/share/texmf/dvips/tetex/c

Re: [PATCH] Bug 3800 -- Confusing "Adapt Output"

2007-06-04 Thread Richard Heck
Herbert Voss wrote: config. is misleading. For example: config.pdf is a config file to use always Type 1 fonts but I can print the ps file on _every_ printer. Yes, but LyX will generate the command dvips -P, where "printer" is the name of the printer chosen in the dialog box. Granted, this m

Re: [PATCH] Bug 3800 -- Confusing "Adapt Output"

2007-06-04 Thread Richard Heck
Richard Heck wrote: Yes, I understand this now, and was inferring the opposite from the existing code. If you check the box we're discussing, what you get, as JMarc said, is: dvips -Pmy_printer && lpr -Pmy_printer or something close enough. And by the way, I think this means that "case 2"-

Re: [PATCH] Bug 3800 -- Confusing "Adapt Output"

2007-06-04 Thread Herbert Voss
Richard Heck wrote: > Herbert Voss wrote: >> Richard Heck wrote: >> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] src]$ find /usr/share/texmf/dvips/ -name 'config.*' >>> /usr/share/texmf/dvips/tetex/config.www >>> /usr/share/texmf/dvips/tetex/config.download35 >>> /usr/share/texmf/dvips/tetex/config.dfaxhigh >>> /usr/sh

Re: [PATCH] Bug 3800 -- Confusing "Adapt Output"

2007-06-04 Thread Richard Heck
Herbert Voss wrote: Richard Heck wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] src]$ find /usr/share/texmf/dvips/ -name 'config.*' /usr/share/texmf/dvips/tetex/config.www /usr/share/texmf/dvips/tetex/config.download35 /usr/share/texmf/dvips/tetex/config.dfaxhigh /usr/share/texmf/dvips/tetex/config.builtin35

Re: [PATCH] Bug 3800 -- Confusing "Adapt Output"

2007-06-04 Thread Enrico Forestieri
On Mon, Jun 04, 2007 at 11:38:26AM -0400, Richard Heck wrote: > > > > "Herbert" == Herbert Voss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Herbert> sorry, I cannot follow here > > > > Herbert> dvips -Pabc uses a config.abc file which declares > > Herbert> resolution, font using and paper sizes, and when I p

Re: [PATCH] Bug 3800 -- Confusing "Adapt Output"

2007-06-04 Thread Herbert Voss
Richard Heck wrote: >> >> "Herbert" == Herbert Voss >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Herbert> sorry, I cannot follow here >> >> Herbert> dvips -Pabc uses a config.abc file which declares >> Herbert> resolution, font using and paper sizes, and when I print my >> Herbert> ps document then a printer

Re: [PATCH] Bug 3800 -- Confusing "Adapt Output"

2007-06-04 Thread Herbert Voss
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: >> "Herbert" == Herbert Voss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Herbert> sorry, I cannot follow here > > Herbert> dvips -Pabc uses a config.abc file which declares > Herbert> resolution, font using and paper sizes, and when I print my > Herbert> ps document then a pr

Re: [PATCH] Bug 3800 -- Confusing "Adapt Output"

2007-06-04 Thread Richard Heck
"Herbert" == Herbert Voss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Herbert> sorry, I cannot follow here Herbert> dvips -Pabc uses a config.abc file which declares Herbert> resolution, font using and paper sizes, and when I print my Herbert> ps document then a printer driver is used. What are the config.abc

Re: [PATCH] Bug 3800 -- Confusing "Adapt Output"

2007-06-04 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Herbert" == Herbert Voss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Herbert> sorry, I cannot follow here Herbert> dvips -Pabc uses a config.abc file which declares Herbert> resolution, font using and paper sizes, and when I print my Herbert> ps document then a printer driver is used. What are the confi

Re: [PATCH] Bug 3800 -- Confusing "Adapt Output"

2007-06-04 Thread Herbert Voss
Richard Heck wrote: > Herbert Voss wrote: >> Richard Heck wrote: >> >> >>> Yes. How about this. Just say, explicitly: >>> [X] Use -Pprinter parameter with dvips. >>> And then, for a tooltip: >>> Adjusts dvips output for a particular printer. (Note: dvips must be >>> pre-configured for that printe

Re: [PATCH] Bug 3800 -- Confusing "Adapt Output"

2007-06-04 Thread Richard Heck
Herbert Voss wrote: Richard Heck wrote: Yes. How about this. Just say, explicitly: [X] Use -Pprinter parameter with dvips. And then, for a tooltip: Adjusts dvips output for a particular printer. (Note: dvips must be pre-configured for that printer.) dvips is not pre-configured, it uses

Re: [PATCH] Bug 3800 -- Confusing "Adapt Output"

2007-06-04 Thread Herbert Voss
Richard Heck wrote: > Yes. How about this. Just say, explicitly: > [X] Use -Pprinter parameter with dvips. > And then, for a tooltip: > Adjusts dvips output for a particular printer. (Note: dvips must be > pre-configured for that printer.) dvips is not pre-configured, it uses always a config file

Re: [PATCH] Bug 3800 -- Confusing "Adapt Output"

2007-06-04 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Richard" == Richard Heck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Richard> Yes. How about this. Just say, explicitly: [X] Use -Pprinter Richard> parameter with dvips. And then, for a tooltip: Adjusts dvips Richard> output for a particular printer. (Note: dvips must be Richard> pre-configured for that pr

Re: [PATCH] Bug 3800 -- Confusing "Adapt Output"

2007-06-04 Thread Richard Heck
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Richard> This patch fixes this problem by changing the label to "Add Richard> Printer Name to Printer Command" and changing the tooltip to Richard> "Check this box if you will sometimes use a printer other Richard> than the default". I am not sure that the new label r

Re: [PATCH] Bug 3800 -- Confusing "Adapt Output"

2007-06-04 Thread Richard Heck
Michael Gerz wrote: The diff is rather large given the fact that you only change two messages. Where do all the changes come from? I made the changes in QtDesigner. How it saves things seems to vary from occasion to occasion, with the result that diffs can be peculiarly large. Richard --

Re: [PATCH] Bug 3800 -- Confusing "Adapt Output"

2007-06-03 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Richard" == Richard Heck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Richard> This patch fixes this problem by changing the label to "Add Richard> Printer Name to Printer Command" and changing the tooltip to Richard> "Check this box if you will sometimes use a printer other Richard> than the default". I a

Re: [PATCH] Bug 3800 -- Confusing "Adapt Output"

2007-06-03 Thread Michael Gerz
Richard Heck schrieb: This patch fixes this problem by changing the label to "Add Printer Name to Printer Command" and changing the tooltip to "Check this box if you will sometimes use a printer other than the default". OK to commit? - Use printer name explicitely + Check this bo

[PATCH] Bug 3800 -- Confusing "Adapt Output"

2007-06-03 Thread Richard Heck
This patch fixes this problem by changing the label to "Add Printer Name to Printer Command" and changing the tooltip to "Check this box if you will sometimes use a printer other than the default". OK to commit? rh -- == Richar