Re: Embedding feature, final remarks and farewell.

2008-04-22 Thread Helge Hafting
rgheck wrote: Andreas K. wrote: Dear LyX developers, I am not a developer, only an ordinary LyX user that really love this program and use it regularly, so I do not know if my opinion count. I have not followed the details in the discussion about the embedding feature that bo implemented, bu

Re: Embedding feature, final remarks and farewell.

2008-04-22 Thread Helge Hafting
rgheck wrote: What I wrote had nothing to do with why Bo chose to revert the embedding code. It had to do with why, as I saw it, most developers ended up disagreeing with the basic design. It is a fundamental flaw if the mere possibility of unbundling files to arbitrary locations *even within

Re: Embedding feature, final remarks and farewell.

2008-04-21 Thread rgheck
Bo Peng wrote: That said, if there are still users who care, let me explain why these suggestions, most of which were made before, weren't accepted. _I_ reverted the code, and _I_ have explained in my first email why _I_ chose to revert the code. The problem is not at all, in _my_ point of

Re: Embedding feature, final remarks and farewell.

2008-04-21 Thread Bo Peng
> That said, if there are still users who care, let me explain why these > suggestions, most of which were made before, weren't accepted. _I_ reverted the code, and _I_ have explained in my first email why _I_ chose to revert the code. The problem is not at all, in _my_ point of view, anything rel

Re: Embedding feature, final remarks and farewell.

2008-04-21 Thread Richard Heck
Bo Peng wrote: It is a fundamental flaw if the mere possibility of unbundling files to arbitrary locations *even within the document directory* leads to the possibility of executing arbitrary code on the user's machine. Everything comes at a cost, and a good design should have the right ba

Re: Embedding feature, final remarks and farewell.

2008-04-20 Thread Bo Peng
> It is a fundamental flaw if the mere > possibility of unbundling files to arbitrary locations *even within the > document directory* leads to the possibility of executing arbitrary code on > the user's machine. Everything comes at a cost, and a good design should have the right balance of benefi

RE: Embedding feature, final remarks and farewell.

2008-04-20 Thread rgheck
Bo Peng wrote: > Richard Heck wrote: > In any event, the "nail in the coffin" for Bo's approach ended up being > security issues that were first raised by Andre. These can be hard to > foresee. It wasn't that these issues couldn't be addressed within Bo's > approach. It was, rather, that once you

RE: Embedding feature, final remarks and farewell.

2008-04-19 Thread Bo Peng
> In any event, the "nail in the coffin" for Bo's approach ended up being > security issues that were first raised by Andre. These can be hard to > foresee. It wasn't that these issues couldn't be addressed within Bo's > approach. It was, rather, that once you'd addressed them, you couldn't > have

Re: Embedding feature, final remarks and farewell.

2008-04-19 Thread rgheck
Luis Rivera wrote: rgheck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: It would help, actually, if you would explain why embedding of figures matters to you. This may help us figure out some of the details of how embedding should work. Is it a matter of being able easily to exchange LyX files with co-autho

Re: Embedding feature, final remarks and farewell.

2008-04-18 Thread Luis Rivera
rgheck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > It would help, actually, if you would explain why embedding of figures > matters to you. This may help us figure out some of the details of how > embedding should work. Is it a matter of being able easily to exchange > LyX files with co-authors? > Sp

Re: Embedding feature, final remarks and farewell.

2008-04-17 Thread rgheck
Andreas K. wrote: Dear LyX developers, I am not a developer, only an ordinary LyX user that really love this program and use it regularly, so I do not know if my opinion count. I have not followed the details in the discussion about the embedding feature that bo implemented, but I have to say

Re: Embedding feature, final remarks and farewell.

2008-04-17 Thread Kornel Benko
Am Donnerstag, 17. April 2008 schrieb Andreas K.: > Dear LyX developers, > > I am not a developer, only an ordinary LyX user that really love this program > and use it regularly, so I do not know if my opinion count. I have not > followed the details in the discussion about the embedding feature

Re: Embedding feature, final remarks and farewell.

2008-04-17 Thread Andreas K .
Dear LyX developers, I am not a developer, only an ordinary LyX user that really love this program and use it regularly, so I do not know if my opinion count. I have not followed the details in the discussion about the embedding feature that bo implemented, but I have to say that I am very sad

Re: Embedding feature, final remarks and farewell.

2008-04-16 Thread Richard Heck
Andre Poenitz wrote: On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 03:38:00PM -0400, Richard Heck wrote: > And sometimes that works. But it's also true, as many of us, I think, have > experienced, that it isn't always easy to get feedback. For example, Andre > recently criticized some of the changes I made to Ins

Re: Embedding feature, final remarks and farewell.

2008-04-16 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 03:38:00PM -0400, Richard Heck wrote: > And sometimes that works. But it's also true, as many of us, I think, have > experienced, that it isn't always easy to get feedback. For example, Andre > recently criticized some of the changes I made to InsetCommandParams. In > fac

Re: Embedding feature, final remarks and farewell.

2008-04-16 Thread Richard Heck
Abdelrazak Younes wrote: Pavel Sanda wrote: that will be my last commit. that is the best solution if you cannot live with compromise. i guess he could live if people start to flame embedding philosophy when he asked in start of implementing. i fully understand the frustration of reverting

RE: Embedding feature, final remarks and farewell.

2008-04-16 Thread Leuven, E.
Pavel Sanda wrote: >>> that will be my last commit. >> that is the best solution if you cannot live with compromise. > > i guess he could live if people start to flame embedding philosophy > when he asked in start of implementing. i had the impression bo did most of the flaming himself but you'r

Re: Embedding feature, final remarks and farewell.

2008-04-16 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Pavel Sanda wrote: that will be my last commit. that is the best solution if you cannot live with compromise. i guess he could live if people start to flame embedding philosophy when he asked in start of implementing. i fully understand the frustration of reverting it back after months of deve

Re: Embedding feature, final remarks and farewell.

2008-04-16 Thread Pavel Sanda
>> that will be my last commit. > > that is the best solution if you cannot live with compromise. i guess he could live if people start to flame embedding philosophy when he asked in start of implementing. i fully understand the frustration of reverting it back after months of development when nob

Re: Embedding feature, final remarks and farewell.

2008-04-15 Thread José Matos
On Monday 14 April 2008 16:14:28 Bo Peng wrote: > Dear all, > > I have been called stubborn, ridiculous, and you can continue to call > me so, because I will not change the core design of my embedding > feature. Because, as Edwin said, 'us guys basically agree', I will > revert my feature altogethe

Re: Embedding feature, final remarks and farewell.

2008-04-14 Thread Edwin Leuven
Bo Peng wrote: that will be my last commit. that is the best solution if you cannot live with compromise. regards, edwin.

Re: Embedding feature, final remarks and farewell.

2008-04-14 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Bo Peng wrote: This will be the last time I repeat my ideas. I will not answer any question because I have answered them several times. Please realize also that others have tried to explain their ideas several times too. Sometimes, when you are deep into something, an external genuine eye is

Embedding feature, final remarks and farewell.

2008-04-14 Thread Bo Peng
Dear all, I have been called stubborn, ridiculous, and you can continue to call me so, because I will not change the core design of my embedding feature. Because, as Edwin said, 'us guys basically agree', I will revert my feature altogether. There is no point to continue on a feature that is objec