Re: Conversion of LyX to word - read-only - idea from other mailing list

2010-07-07 Thread Steve Litt
That's the funniest thing I've ever read, and it's the perfect thing to give these bozos who insist on MS Word. I'm pretty sure for big documents this could be automated with pdftk and convert plus a program to generate an abiword file from the page pictures. The abiword file can then be conver

Conversion of LyX to word - read-only - idea from other mailing list

2010-07-07 Thread Rainer M Krug
Hi I just found that idea on how to deal with latex / pdf to doc conversion in read-only format. Quite an ingenius idea: -- Forwarded message -- From: Torsten Wagner Date: Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 1:48 AM Subject: Re: [Orgmode] any idea how to convert org file to MS WORD an retain te

Re: Lyx to word or lyx to html (to word)

2007-06-03 Thread David A. Case
On Sun, Jun 03, 2007, Miki Dovrat wrote: > > How can I convert my lyx document to microsoft word Google is your friend here: the first hit for "convert latex to word" is: http://www.tug.org/utilities/texconv/textopc.html If you have a significant number of mathematical equations, I have fo

Re: Lyx to word or lyx to html (to word)

2007-06-03 Thread cmiramon
Miki Dovrat wrote: > Hi, > > How can I convert my lyx document to microsoft word (or html, which word > reads?, or openoffice, which can be exported to rtf, which word reads)? > > These converters seem to be broken on Windows (still). I have lyx 1.4.4 > with Miktex 2.5 which has htlatex. In the

Lyx to word or lyx to html (to word)

2007-06-03 Thread Miki Dovrat
Hi, How can I convert my lyx document to microsoft word (or html, which word reads?, or openoffice, which can be exported to rtf, which word reads)? These converters seem to be broken on Windows (still). I have lyx 1.4.4 with Miktex 2.5 which has htlatex. In the past I have succeeded in getting

Re: help: how to convert LyX to word file with many math equations?

2007-01-30 Thread Andreas K .
yiwei cai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Hi, > > Anyone know how to convert a LyX file with many math equations to a > word file? Do I need to retype all those in-line math characters and > equations? Thank you in advance!! > > bests, > yiwei > Hi, Try latex2rtf: http://latex2rtf.sour

help: how to convert LyX to word file with many math equations?

2007-01-29 Thread yiwei cai
Hi, Anyone know how to convert a LyX file with many math equations to a word file? Do I need to retype all those in-line math characters and equations? Thank you in advance!! bests, yiwei

Re: lyx to word conversion

2006-11-30 Thread Rainer M Krug
Georg Baum wrote: Rainer M Krug wrote: The automatic detection did not work - probably it is only checking when installing LyX? No. It checks when you either run LyX for the first time, or when you do a Tools->Reconfigure. But it does only find programs in the path. If latex2rtf is not in the

Re: lyx to word conversion

2006-11-30 Thread Sven Schreiber
Nicolás schrieb: > Has anyone tried to convert latex to OpenDocument format with tex4ht? > And then convert it to Word with OpenOffice or with the "OpenOffice > filter to Microsoft Word XML"? > > Nicolás > Sure, there's lots of traffic on this in the list archives. See also the special "oolatex"

Re: lyx to word conversion

2006-11-30 Thread Eric S Fraga
On Thu, Nov 30, 2006 at 02:04:02PM +0200, K. Elo wrote: > I wholly agree with Helge. Personally, I use LyX to write my academic > texts (and most of my other text, too) and whenever I had to submit a > text in M$ Word format, I do the following: > 1) I export the document in LaTeX. > 2) I run the

Re: lyx to word conversion

2006-11-30 Thread Georg Baum
Rainer M Krug wrote: > The automatic detection did not work - probably it is only checking when > installing LyX? No. It checks when you either run LyX for the first time, or when you do a Tools->Reconfigure. But it does only find programs in the path. If latex2rtf is not in the path then either

Re: lyx to word conversion

2006-11-30 Thread Rainer M Krug
Georg Baum wrote: Rainer M Krug wrote: The resason that I don't see it is probably because I didn't have latex2pdf installed... you mean latex2rtf? yes - sorry I installed it now, reconfigured LyX, but I still can't see it. I was wrong, it is not called RTF but Rich Text Format. Do yo

Re: lyx to word conversion

2006-11-30 Thread Georg Baum
Rainer M Krug wrote: > The resason that I don't see it is probably because I didn't have > latex2pdf installed... you mean latex2rtf? > I installed it now, reconfigured LyX, but I still can't see it. I was wrong, it is not called RTF but Rich Text Format. Do you see that? > Do I have to add it

Re: lyx to word conversion

2006-11-30 Thread Rainer M Krug
Georg Baum wrote: Rainer M Krug wrote: Just a suggestion - would it be possible to have this process included in LyX as a menu item or a script file which is doing it automatically? Obviously step 4 has to be done manually. It is integrated (at least in 1.4.3). If you have latex2rtf installed

Re: lyx to word conversion

2006-11-30 Thread Jean-Pierre Chretien
>>Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:51:02 +0100 >>From: Nicolás <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>CC: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org >>Subject: Re: lyx to word conversion >> >>Has anyone tried to convert latex to OpenDocument format with tex4ht? >>And then convert it

Re: lyx to word conversion

2006-11-30 Thread Nicolás
Has anyone tried to convert latex to OpenDocument format with tex4ht? And then convert it to Word with OpenOffice or with the "OpenOffice filter to Microsoft Word XML"? Nicolás

Re: lyx to word conversion

2006-11-30 Thread Georg Baum
Rainer M Krug wrote: > Just a suggestion - would it be possible to have this process included > in LyX as a menu item or a script file which is doing it automatically? > Obviously step 4 has to be done manually. It is integrated (at least in 1.4.3). If you have latex2rtf installed you will have a

Re: lyx to word conversion

2006-11-30 Thread Rainer M Krug
K. Elo wrote: Hi, Helge Hafting wrote (Nov 30 2006 13:47): And we know that they are _not_ going to print the word file as-is in their publication anyway. Word isn't good enough, so they always reformat with something else. They merely have streamlined the conversion from word to whatever they

Re: lyx to word conversion

2006-11-30 Thread K. Elo
Hi, Helge Hafting wrote (Nov 30 2006 13:47): > > And we know that they are _not_ going to print the word file > as-is in their publication anyway. Word isn't good enough, > so they always reformat with something else. They merely have > streamlined the conversion from word to whatever they use. >

Re: lyx to word conversion

2006-11-30 Thread Helge Hafting
Juergen Fenn wrote: Sven Schreiber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I don't think this is a good idea. If you are supposed to provide MS Word format you should use MS Word or at least OOo for writing your paper. The point is that the TeX community has spent too little effort on converters.

Re: lyx to word conversion

2006-11-29 Thread Micha Feigin
On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 14:58:12 +0100 Georg Baum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Juergen Fenn wrote: > > > the same: If you know you are required to provide a DOC file for > > submission to a journal then use Word and produce a DOC file of your > > paper. Even OOo is second choice because it is not the

Re: lyx to word conversion

2006-11-29 Thread hansel
On Wed, 29 Nov 2006, Micha Feigin wrote: > On Wednesday 29 November 2006 13:01, Juergen Fenn wrote: > > Sven Schreiber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >> I don't think this is a good idea. If you are supposed to provide MS > > >> Word format you should use MS Word or at least OOo for writing your

Re: lyx to word conversion

2006-11-29 Thread Georg Baum
Juergen Fenn wrote: > the same: If you know you are required to provide a DOC file for > submission to a journal then use Word and produce a DOC file of your > paper. Even OOo is second choice because it is not the > original. This is again the widespread FUD that there are no compatibility probl

Re: lyx to word conversion

2006-11-29 Thread Micha Feigin
On Wednesday 29 November 2006 13:01, Juergen Fenn wrote: > Sven Schreiber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> I don't think this is a good idea. If you are supposed to provide MS > >> Word format you should use MS Word or at least OOo for writing your > >> paper. The point is that the TeX community ha

Re: lyx to word conversion

2006-11-29 Thread Juergen Fenn
Sven Schreiber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> I don't think this is a good idea. If you are supposed to provide MS >> Word format you should use MS Word or at least OOo for writing your >> paper. The point is that the TeX community has spent too little effort >> on converters. > "That's a bold s

Re: lyx to word conversion

2006-11-29 Thread Nicolás
Bo Peng wrote: In my case, PLoS genetics only accept MS Word submission and the Scientific Publication department of our institution only accepts manuscripts in Word format for proofread (so that they can use the change tracking feature of word, although this feature is also available in lyx).

Re: lyx to word conversion

2006-11-28 Thread Bo Peng
I think there's hope that in the future people will rather require Open Doc Format files instead of Word. Then it would be great if Lyx could export ODF easily. Maybe the planned XML file format will help...? Lars seems to be doing XML privately and I have no idea what he has in mind. It is not

Re: lyx to word conversion

2006-11-28 Thread Sven Schreiber
Juergen Fenn schrieb: > > I don't think this is a good idea. If you are supposed to provide MS > Word format you should use MS Word or at least OOo for writing your > paper. The point is that the TeX community has spent too little effort > on converters. > > Regards, > Jürgen. > "That's a bold

Re: lyx to word conversion

2006-11-28 Thread Bo Peng
I don't think this is a good idea. If you are supposed to provide MS Word format you should use MS Word or at least OOo for writing your paper. The point is that the TeX community has spent too little effort on converters. First, I get used to my ways (lable/ref, bibtex/cite, hyperref, external

Re: lyx to word conversion

2006-11-28 Thread Juergen Fenn
"Bo Peng" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > In my case, PLoS genetics only accept MS Word submission and the > Scientific Publication department of our institution only accepts > manuscripts in Word format for proofread (so that they can use the > change tracking feature of word, although this feature

Re: lyx to word conversion

2006-11-27 Thread Bo Peng
Why should we go through all this conversion fuss anyway? Microsoft are the ones who have to comply to the open format. If I want to share my LyX-documents I just send them as pdf-files, anyone should be able to open that: Acroreader is free... In my case, PLoS genetics only accept MS Word submi

Re: lyx to word conversion

2006-11-27 Thread FB
Charles de Miramon skrev: Bo Peng wrote: I also tried tex4ht. It produces a swx file and ooffice failed to open it. The error message is 'Error loading document ... Read-Error: Format error discovered in the file in sub-document content.xml at 2853,74 (row, col). I am using ooffice 1.1.5 a

Re: lyx to word conversion

2006-11-27 Thread Charles de Miramon
Bo Peng wrote: > I also tried tex4ht. It produces a swx file and ooffice failed to open > it. The error message is 'Error loading document ... Read-Error: > Format error discovered in the file in sub-document content.xml at > 2853,74 (row, col). I am using ooffice 1.1.5 and > tex4ht-1.0-0.2005_0

Re: lyx to word conversion

2006-11-27 Thread Bo Peng
> Be warned that not all LaTeX commands are interpreted by latex2rtf. That is true. I am trying to convert my lyx file to word right now since our proofread guy only works with MS Word. I use latex2rtf and get a document without reference, table and figures. I also tried tex4ht. It produces a s

Re: lyx to word conversion

2006-11-27 Thread Helge Hafting
Richard Heck wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is still a PITA! Word is not a standard, but it is what most people in my field use. Now that I have a set of tools that work very well, and obviously, with the creative and bright people working on latex and lyx, I always will have. The docume

Re: lyx to word conversion

2006-11-11 Thread Juergen Fenn
Enrico Forestieri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Be warned that not all LaTeX commands are interpreted by latex2rtf. Above all, latex2rtf does not load any additional LaTeX packages which means that even if you don't use any packages for the main text converting your bibliography will fail if you

Re: lyx to word conversion

2006-11-10 Thread Enrico Forestieri
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I tried latex2rtf with partial success before my original post. > Jean-Pierre Chretien responded (apparently off list) that the latest > version worked correctly. It does and I had used it improperly. One must > run latex at least once, then bibtex and finally lat

Re: lyx to word conversion

2006-11-10 Thread Juergen Spitzmueller
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I tried latex2rtf with partial success before my original post. > Jean-Pierre Chretien responded (apparently off list) that the latest > version worked correctly. It does and I had used it improperly. One must > run latex at least once, then bibtex and finally latex2rtf (

Re: lyx to word conversion

2006-11-09 Thread Richard Heck
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is still a PITA! Word is not a standard, but it is what most people in my field use. Now that I have a set of tools that work very well, and obviously, with the creative and bright people working on latex and lyx, I always will have. The documentation may be a bit

Re: lyx to word conversion

2006-11-09 Thread hansel
Not so fast! IT does work. I tried latex2rtf with partial success before my original post. Jean-Pierre Chretien responded (apparently off list) that the latest version worked correctly. It does and I had used it improperly. One must run latex at least once, then bibtex and finally latex2rtf (or

Re: lyx to word conversion

2006-11-09 Thread Charles de Miramon
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > The pretty-good solutions I think of require error-inviting fix-ups. The > best I find is latex2rtf, and rtf import to openoffice, then cut and past > the bibliography as text and hand fix. However, this leaves documentation > as bibtex index terms. Is there a postscript

lyx to word conversion

2006-11-08 Thread hansel
This was recently discussed and I thought (hoped) I would never have to do it and never followed closely. I did search the lyx-users archive back to early August '06 without luck. (Social Forces requires manuscripts only as MS Word docs!) The pretty-good solutions I think of require error-invi

Re: converting lyx to word

2005-06-24 Thread Martin A. Hansen
> > Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 14:14:26 +0200 > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Martin A. Hansen) > > To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org > > Subject: converting lyx to word > > == > > > > hello people > > > > > > deadline is today: > > > > i need to convert my article from lyx to word preserving the > > references. > >

Re: converting lyx to word

2005-06-24 Thread Guido Milanese
place. > == > Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 14:14:26 +0200 > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Martin A. Hansen) > To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org > Subject: converting lyx to word > == > > hello people > > > deadline is today: > > i need to conver

converting lyx to word

2005-06-24 Thread Martin A. Hansen
hello people deadline is today: i need to convert my article from lyx to word preserving the references. export->latex; running latex, bibtex, renaming bbl files, running latex2rtf fucks up the references exchanging number refs with refkeys! export->html fails too (cant figure out

Re: LyX to Word --> Success

2004-10-18 Thread Angus Leeming
Neal D. Becker wrote: > Philip A. Viton wrote: > >> >> >> There's a correction on the tex4ht BugFixes page. The correct >> command is (apparently) >> >> htlatex filename "xhtml,ooffice" "ooffice/! -cmozhtf" "-coo" >> >> > > I am testing this on Linux Fedora. It is doing a pretty good job,

Re: LyX to Word --> Success

2004-10-18 Thread Neal D. Becker
Philip A. Viton wrote: > > > There's a correction on the tex4ht BugFixes page. The correct command is > (apparently) > > htlatex filename "xhtml,ooffice" "ooffice/! -cmozhtf" "-coo" > > I am testing this on Linux Fedora. It is doing a pretty good job, except for one thing. The graph I incl

Re: LyX to Word --> Success

2004-10-17 Thread Uwe Stöhr
Philip A. Viton wrote: There's a correction on the tex4ht BugFixes page. The correct command is (apparently) htlatex filename "xhtml,ooffice" "ooffice/! -cmozhtf" "-coo" Many thanks. This works better now, but not in all cases. (It seems that the MiKTeX-TeX4ht installations is buggy.) regards Uwe

LyX to Word --> Success

2004-10-17 Thread Philip A. Viton
There's a correction on the tex4ht BugFixes page. The correct command is (apparently) htlatex filename "xhtml,ooffice" "ooffice/! -cmozhtf" "-coo" Philip A. Viton City Planning, Ohio State University 275 West Woodruff Avenue, Columbus OH 43210 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: LyX to Word --> Success

2004-10-15 Thread Angus Leeming
Uwe Stöhr wrote: > But I encountered a new problem: Using the corresponding htlatex call > brings me an error > > --- warning --- Can't find/open file ` -coo.lg' > > while oolatex doesn't have this. So it seems that the commands are not > identic in my installation. (I installed tex4ht via MiKTeX

Re: LyX to Word --> Success

2004-10-14 Thread Uwe Stöhr
Stefano Franchi wrote: The conversion from Latex to OpenOffice took just one command: htlatex filename "xhtml,ooffice" " -cmozhtf" " -coo" (It took me a while to figure out the right command, because the instructions on the webpage were a bit ambiguous. I talked with the developer of TeX4ht and

Re: LyX to Word --> Success

2004-10-14 Thread Stefano Franchi
our system. Best, Stefano On Oct 14, 2004, at 2:45 PM, Uwe Stöhr wrote: Stefano Franchi wrote: Thanks so much to everyone who helped me figure out how to go from LyX to Word. The key hint was to use htlatex to convert into OpenOffice and then export from OpenOffice to Microsoft word. Works beau

Re: LyX to Word --> Success

2004-10-13 Thread chr
On Thu, 14 Oct 2004, Stefano Franchi wrote: > I think the solution should be definitely posted in some prominent > place, in a FAQ, or in the documentation somewhere. It is one of the > most pressing needs for everyone in the humanities wanting to use LyX. > I'll be more than willing to contribu

Re: LyX to Word --> Success

2004-10-13 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
Stefano Franchi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | Thanks so much to everyone who helped me figure out how to go from LyX | to Word. The key hint was to use htlatex to convert into OpenOffice | and then export from OpenOffice to Microsoft word. Works beautifully | and almost out of the box (aft

LyX to Word --> Success

2004-10-13 Thread Stefano Franchi
Thanks so much to everyone who helped me figure out how to go from LyX to Word. The key hint was to use htlatex to convert into OpenOffice and then export from OpenOffice to Microsoft word. Works beautifully and almost out of the box (after you spend a couple of days installing all the

Re: lyx to word

2003-08-14 Thread Paul A. Rubin
"Philip A. Viton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: > > I think that no matter what you choose, you'll have problems with > equations, which will probably be converted to some kind of image, not > Word's eq editor format. > > Your best bet might be to check out latex2rtf on

lyx to word

2003-08-14 Thread Philip A. Viton
A couple of suggestions: 1. Try latex2rtf on ctan. I * think* this will give you images for your equations, but it may have improved. 2. Following Herbert Voss's suggestion, try converting to HTML and then importing. If there are few equations in your docuent, this is probably the simplest app

lyx to word

2003-08-14 Thread Philip A. Viton
I think that no matter what you choose, you'll have problems with equations, which will probably be converted to some kind of image, not Word's eq editor format. Your best bet might be to check out latex2rtf on CTAN, and see if the equation situation is any better than this. Otherwise, you mig

Re: lyx to word

2003-08-14 Thread Katrin Pietzsch
Hi, thanks for your help. I solved the problem quite differently, which still required a lot of "tuning" of the document afterwards. I had a pdf-file of my paper and simply copied and pasted the text into Word. The only problem I had to solve concerned the german Umlaute, but even that worked

Re: lyx to word

2003-08-10 Thread Herbert Voß
Katrin Pietzsch schrieb: I thought about either converting the latex-file to html or to rtf. Any suggestions on which works better? Or how to do it elegantly without too much hassle? if the document is not too complex, export it to html and then import it with word. Herbert

lyx to word

2003-08-07 Thread Katrin Pietzsch
Hi, I just learned that I have to convert my lyx-file to word today (which I thought I need not to do), so i checked the archive, but found mainly stuff about how to convert word to lyx. I'd give tex2word a shot, but it won't run on an apple. I thought about either converting the latex-file to

Re: From lyx to word

2001-05-01 Thread Jean-Pierre.Chretien
>>Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 10:33:40 -0600 >>From: "Praedor Tempus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Subject: From lyx to word >> >>I know of many of the conversion apps for latex (dvi2rtf, latex2rtf, >>latex2html, etc)

Re: [OT] BibTeX to tabtext, was: From lyx to word

2001-05-01 Thread Matej Cepl
On úterý 01 květen 2001 5:47 you wrote: > * Herbert Voss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 2001-04-29 20:35 +0200: > Sorry for this off-topic question, are there any tools to > convert BibTeX-files into tab delimited text (and vice versa)? > I'm about to put my BibTeX stuff into a postgresql database. > (I'v

Re: From lyx to word

2001-05-01 Thread Andre Berger
* Praedor Tempus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 2001-04-29 20:35 +0200: > I know of many of the conversion apps for latex (dvi2rtf, latex2rtf, > latex2html, etc) but I have been unable to use any of them to successfully > transfer a lyx document to word. I was unable to find dvi2rtf, could you please t

[OT] BibTeX to tabtext, was: From lyx to word

2001-05-01 Thread Andre Berger
* Herbert Voss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 2001-04-29 20:35 +0200: > Praedor Tempus wrote: > > > > I know of many of the conversion apps for latex (dvi2rtf, latex2rtf, > > latex2html, etc) but I have been unable to use any of them to successfully > > transfer a lyx document to word. > > have a look at

Re: From lyx to word (continued)

2001-05-01 Thread Andre Berger
* Christopher M. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 2001-05-01 08:56 +0200: > Is bibtex stuff included in a dvi? Just take a look at the dvi with a text editor... It's in there, provided you made the necessary [two] latex runs after bibtexing. A. B. [[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Re: From lyx to word

2001-04-30 Thread Chris Green
"Christopher M." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > The problem with a direct conversion, I'm gussing, is something like the > following (non-technical). LaTeX is a markup language. That means that even > when you get past LyX to LaTeX, your still doing the wysiwym thing, in a way. > But Word is wysiw

Re: From lyx to word (continued)

2001-04-30 Thread Christopher M.
Is bibtex stuff included in a dvi? Or does it merely make reference to other files generated by bibtex? When you run latex on a file with bibtex references in it, latex runs the bibtex processor for you-- but it still is a separate process. bibtex then generates its own files. Does the dvi do any

Re: From lyx to word

2001-04-30 Thread Christopher M.
The problem with a direct conversion, I'm gussing, is something like the following (non-technical). LaTeX is a markup language. That means that even when you get past LyX to LaTeX, your still doing the wysiwym thing, in a way. But Word is wysiwyg. Now, though I don't know how wysiwyg formatting

Re: From lyx to word

2001-04-30 Thread Dekel Tsur
On Sun, Apr 29, 2001 at 10:33:40AM -0600, Praedor Tempus wrote: > with dvi2rtf? Using latex2rtf is the same way. Converting to html is worse, > as it converts all my symbols and superscripts to image files that do not > display properly. Some tex->html converters (for example, tth) do not u

Re: From lyx to word

2001-04-29 Thread Rodrigo Esteves de Lima-Lopes
, 29 Apr 2001, Praedor Tempus wrote: > Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 10:33:40 -0600 > From: Praedor Tempus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: From lyx to word > > I know of many of the conversion apps for latex (dvi2rtf, latex2rtf, > latex2html, etc) but I

Re: From lyx to word

2001-04-29 Thread Herbert Voss
Praedor Tempus wrote: > > I know of many of the conversion apps for latex (dvi2rtf, latex2rtf, > latex2html, etc) but I have been unable to use any of them to successfully > transfer a lyx document to word. have a look at http://www.kfa-juelich.de/isr/1/texconv/textopc.html there are some macro

From lyx to word

2001-04-29 Thread Praedor Tempus
I know of many of the conversion apps for latex (dvi2rtf, latex2rtf, latex2html, etc) but I have been unable to use any of them to successfully transfer a lyx document to word. I know about the loss of formatting and fancy fonts in going to rtf but what really threw me was that my citations