[OT] Re: [MacPerl] Re: problem with Japanese text

2003-03-30 Thread Joel Rees
... In English the singular nominative pronoun is nothing but I, no matter how old or young you are or whether you are a boy or a girl (or a computer). But in Japanese it can be Watashi or Boku or Ore Boku. Hmm. What would it mean if an educational program intended for kindergarten use

Re: [MacPerl] Re: problem with Japanese text

2003-03-29 Thread Robin
On Saturday, March 29, 2003, at 10:19 am, Jeff Lowrey wrote: I don't think we can use 'camel' unless we're willing to admit that we also have not evolved to smell good. and spit when we're unhappy :-) On Friday, March 28, 2003, at 02:00 am, Nicholas G. Thornton wrote: in Japanese you can

Re: [MacPerl] Re: problem with Japanese text

2003-03-28 Thread Robin
On Friday, March 28, 2003, at 02:14 pm, Dan Kogai wrote: On the other hand, counting can be tricky even for natives. The very name of numbers changes depending on what you count. parallels for this in English can be seen in English group names - a gaggle of geese, a troop of monkeys, a knot

Re: [MacPerl] Re: problem with Japanese text

2003-03-28 Thread Jeff Lowrey
At 6:47 PM +0900 3/28/03, Robin wrote: On Friday, March 28, 2003, at 02:14 pm, Dan Kogai wrote: On the other hand, counting can be tricky even for natives. The very name of numbers changes depending on what you count. parallels for this in English can be seen in English group names - a

Re: [MacPerl] Re: problem with Japanese text

2003-03-27 Thread Robin
On Thursday, March 27, 2003, at 01:31 am, Chris Nandor wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Robin) wrote: MacPerl per se historically has not been aware of locale outside of ascii defined ones (not sure about the latest version). Is there a reason for MacJPerl when MacPerl 5.8.x is released? while the 5.8

Re: [MacPerl] Re: problem with Japanese text

2003-03-27 Thread Rich Morin
Character set difficulties are still a real problem, but so is dynamic text. Damian Conway's paper An Algorithmic Approach to English Pluralization http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~damian/papers/HTML/Plurals.html contains some fairly complicated tools for generating dynamically- pluralized

Re: [MacPerl] Re: problem with Japanese text

2003-03-27 Thread Joel Rees
Not sure if my comments are relevant, just feeling inclined to expose my ignorance -- Character set difficulties are still a real problem, but so is dynamic text. Damian Conway's paper An Algorithmic Approach to English Pluralization

Re: [MacPerl] Re: problem with Japanese text

2003-03-27 Thread Dan Kogai
On Friday, Mar 28, 2003, at 11:37 Asia/Tokyo, Joel Rees wrote: Not sure if my comments are relevant, just feeling inclined to expose my ignorance -- And here is mine. Japanese is one of those languages that has relatively few specifically plural forms. To get the pluralizations right in

Re: [MacPerl] Re: problem with Japanese text

2003-03-26 Thread Robin
While I realise this is diverging slightly from the original posting, I think some background info is useful for dealing with Japanese text. There are several text encoding formats - the most widly used being ShiftJIS and EUC-JP. Without going into too many details, ShiftJIS encoding was

Re: [MacPerl] Re: problem with Japanese text

2003-03-26 Thread Chris Nandor
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Robin) wrote: MacPerl per se historically has not been aware of locale outside of ascii defined ones (not sure about the latest version). Which is why of course there is MacJPerl. http://world.std.com/~habilis/macjperl Is there a reason

Re: [MacPerl] Re: problem with Japanese text

2003-03-26 Thread Dan Kogai
On Thursday, Mar 27, 2003, at 01:31 Asia/Tokyo, Chris Nandor wrote: Is there a reason for MacJPerl when MacPerl 5.8.x is released? I thought none but the second thought; The built-in text editor that many not support multibyte characters. But even that is moot since there are many text editors

Re: [MacPerl] Re: problem with Japanese text

2003-03-26 Thread Chris Nandor
At 13:52 +0900 2003.03.27, Dan Kogai wrote: I wonder how many of you have ever tried 5.8 features such as Encode and PerlIO in MacPerl (besides make test, of course). I don't even lauch Classic these days... Give me some examples to run and I can give it a shot. :) My greatest reason to run