Re: Perl changes (+ please wait a bit with commits in perl modules if possible)

2014-08-18 Thread Clemens Lang
Hi, I didn't follow the Perl discussion closely for time reasons, but there's a patch for a perl port in https://trac.macports.org/ticket/42855 I'd like to commit. Can somebody explain the current status? Should I delay perl port updates? Or, even simpler, would somebody take over the ticket and

Re: Perl changes (+ please wait a bit with commits in perl modules if possible)

2014-08-18 Thread Mojca Miklavec
On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 11:41 PM, Clemens Lang c...@macports.org wrote: Hi, I didn't follow the Perl discussion closely for time reasons, but there's a patch for a perl port in https://trac.macports.org/ticket/42855 I'd like to commit. Can somebody explain the current status? Should I delay

Re: Perl changes (+ please wait a bit with commits in perl modules if possible)

2014-08-13 Thread Dan Ports
On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 09:00:09AM +0200, Mojca Miklavec wrote: On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 11:25 PM, Dan Ports wrote: Longer-term, we need to decide whether to go to a single perl. Personally, I'm in favor of this. But it's clearly going to involve a lot of work (even if it'll save us more in

Perl changes (+ please wait a bit with commits in perl modules if possible)

2014-08-12 Thread Mojca Miklavec
Hi, I would like to do a massive commit with changes in perl modules. I attached a patch to https://trac.macports.org/ticket/43480 two days ago, but it is no longer suitable as such out-of-the-box since there were a bunch of changes in perl modules (including changing exactly the files that

Re: Perl changes (+ please wait a bit with commits in perl modules if possible)

2014-08-12 Thread Ryan Schmidt
On Aug 12, 2014, at 4:15 AM, Mojca Miklavec wrote: Hi, I would like to do a massive commit with changes in perl modules. I attached a patch to https://trac.macports.org/ticket/43480 two days ago, but it is no longer suitable as such out-of-the-box since there were a bunch of changes

Re: Perl changes (+ please wait a bit with commits in perl modules if possible)

2014-08-12 Thread David Evans
On 8/12/14 5:34 AM, Ryan Schmidt wrote: On Aug 12, 2014, at 4:15 AM, Mojca Miklavec wrote: Hi, I would like to do a massive commit with changes in perl modules. I attached a patch to https://trac.macports.org/ticket/43480 two days ago, but it is no longer suitable as such out-of-the-box

Re: Perl changes (+ please wait a bit with commits in perl modules if possible)

2014-08-12 Thread Mojca Miklavec
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 3:02 PM, David Evans wrote: On 8/12/14 5:34 AM, Ryan Schmidt wrote: On Aug 12, 2014, at 4:15 AM, Mojca Miklavec wrote: Hi, I would like to do a massive commit with changes in perl modules. I attached a patch to https://trac.macports.org/ticket/43480 two days

Re: Perl changes (+ please wait a bit with commits in perl modules if possible)

2014-08-12 Thread Daniel J. Luke
On Aug 12, 2014, at 10:15 AM, Mojca Miklavec mo...@macports.org wrote: Other than that I can definitely create a new branch to simplify testing and add the same patch to all perl versions. But the request to wait with updates a bit (unless it's really really really needed) still stands. you

Re: Perl changes (+ please wait a bit with commits in perl modules if possible)

2014-08-12 Thread David Evans
On 8/12/14 7:15 AM, Mojca Miklavec wrote: On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 3:02 PM, David Evans wrote: On 8/12/14 5:34 AM, Ryan Schmidt wrote: On Aug 12, 2014, at 4:15 AM, Mojca Miklavec wrote: Hi, I would like to do a massive commit with changes in perl modules. I attached a patch to

Re: Perl changes (+ please wait a bit with commits in perl modules if possible)

2014-08-12 Thread Mojca Miklavec
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 4:30 PM, Daniel J. Luke wrote: On Aug 12, 2014, at 10:15 AM, Mojca Miklavec wrote: Other than that I can definitely create a new branch to simplify testing and add the same patch to all perl versions. But the request to wait with updates a bit (unless it's really

Re: Perl changes (+ please wait a bit with commits in perl modules if possible)

2014-08-12 Thread Mojca Miklavec
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 4:43 PM, David Evans wrote: I'd be happy to help with this. It's true that many ports are outdated version-wise (even ones that have already been ported to p5.20) and my recent experience suggests that many need updated dependencies as well. To make things

Re: Perl changes (+ please wait a bit with commits in perl modules if possible)

2014-08-12 Thread Ryan Schmidt
On Aug 12, 2014, at 9:56 AM, Mojca Miklavec mo...@macports.org wrote: Now about 5.8-5.16: my idea was to initially set the INC path for those versions in such a way that it would include 5.16.3/darwin-thread-multi-2level 5.16.3 5.16.1/darwin-thread-multi-2level 5.16.1

Re: Perl changes (+ please wait a bit with commits in perl modules if possible)

2014-08-12 Thread Daniel J. Luke
On Aug 12, 2014, at 11:06 AM, Ryan Schmidt ryandes...@macports.org wrote: But I'm unable to figure out how to patch Perl to do that. The INC path additions seem to be ignored. Why handle = 5.16 differently than = 5.18? why handle any of them? maybe just spend the time fixing any ports

Re: Perl changes (+ please wait a bit with commits in perl modules if possible)

2014-08-12 Thread Ryan Schmidt
On Aug 12, 2014, at 10:08 AM, Daniel J. Luke dl...@geeklair.net wrote: On Aug 12, 2014, at 11:06 AM, Ryan Schmidt ryandes...@macports.org wrote: But I'm unable to figure out how to patch Perl to do that. The INC path additions seem to be ignored. Why handle = 5.16 differently than =

Re: Perl changes (+ please wait a bit with commits in perl modules if possible)

2014-08-12 Thread Daniel J. Luke
On Aug 12, 2014, at 11:12 AM, Ryan Schmidt ryandes...@macports.org wrote: On Aug 12, 2014, at 10:08 AM, Daniel J. Luke dl...@geeklair.net wrote: On Aug 12, 2014, at 11:06 AM, Ryan Schmidt ryandes...@macports.org wrote: But I'm unable to figure out how to patch Perl to do that. The INC

Re: Perl changes (+ please wait a bit with commits in perl modules if possible)

2014-08-12 Thread Ryan Schmidt
On Aug 12, 2014, at 10:15 AM, Daniel J. Luke dl...@geeklair.net wrote: I'm just saying, it's a /lot/ of effort to do this for p5.8-p5.20 ports when it could be reduced (somewhat) by just working on p5.20... (and deprecating/removing everything else). It seems to me an order of magnitude

Re: Perl changes (+ please wait a bit with commits in perl modules if possible)

2014-08-12 Thread David Evans
On 8/12/14 7:56 AM, Mojca Miklavec wrote: On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 4:43 PM, David Evans wrote: I'd be happy to help with this. It's true that many ports are outdated version-wise (even ones that have already been ported to p5.20) and my recent experience suggests that many need updated

Re: Perl changes (+ please wait a bit with commits in perl modules if possible)

2014-08-12 Thread Brandon Allbery
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 11:15 AM, Daniel J. Luke dl...@geeklair.net wrote: I'm just saying, it's a /lot/ of effort to do this for p5.8-p5.20 ports when it could be reduced (somewhat) by just working on p5.20... (and deprecating/removing everything else). Also worth noting: the current Perl

Re: Perl changes (+ please wait a bit with commits in perl modules if possible)

2014-08-12 Thread David Evans
On 8/12/14 8:06 AM, Ryan Schmidt wrote: On Aug 12, 2014, at 9:56 AM, Mojca Miklavec mo...@macports.org wrote: Now about 5.8-5.16: my idea was to initially set the INC path for those versions in such a way that it would include 5.16.3/darwin-thread-multi-2level 5.16.3

Re: Perl changes (+ please wait a bit with commits in perl modules if possible)

2014-08-12 Thread Daniel J. Luke
On Aug 12, 2014, at 11:19 AM, Ryan Schmidt ryandes...@macports.org wrote: On Aug 12, 2014, at 10:15 AM, Daniel J. Luke dl...@geeklair.net wrote: I'm just saying, it's a /lot/ of effort to do this for p5.8-p5.20 ports when it could be reduced (somewhat) by just working on p5.20... (and

Re: Perl changes (+ please wait a bit with commits in perl modules if possible)

2014-08-12 Thread Ryan Schmidt
On Aug 12, 2014, at 10:20 AM, David Evans dev...@macports.org wrote: On 8/12/14 8:06 AM, Ryan Schmidt wrote: On Aug 12, 2014, at 9:56 AM, Mojca Miklavec mo...@macports.org wrote: Now about 5.8-5.16: my idea was to initially set the INC path for those versions in such a way that it would

Re: Perl changes (+ please wait a bit with commits in perl modules if possible)

2014-08-12 Thread Ryan Schmidt
On Aug 12, 2014, at 10:22 AM, Daniel J. Luke dl...@geeklair.net wrote: On Aug 12, 2014, at 11:19 AM, Ryan Schmidt ryandes...@macports.org wrote: On Aug 12, 2014, at 10:15 AM, Daniel J. Luke dl...@geeklair.net wrote: I'm just saying, it's a /lot/ of effort to do this for p5.8-p5.20

Re: Perl changes (+ please wait a bit with commits in perl modules if possible)

2014-08-12 Thread Daniel J. Luke
On Aug 12, 2014, at 11:25 AM, Ryan Schmidt ryandes...@macports.org wrote: that's pretty much why we're in the situation we are now - we just continue with the current setup because it's 'easier'. Someone puts a bunch of effort into making things work with a newer (but never the current)

Re: Perl changes (+ please wait a bit with commits in perl modules if possible)

2014-08-12 Thread Ryan Schmidt
On Aug 12, 2014, at 10:28 AM, Daniel J. Luke dl...@geeklair.net wrote: On Aug 12, 2014, at 11:25 AM, Ryan Schmidt ryandes...@macports.org wrote: that's pretty much why we're in the situation we are now - we just continue with the current setup because it's 'easier'. Someone puts a bunch

Re: Perl changes (+ please wait a bit with commits in perl modules if possible)

2014-08-12 Thread David Evans
On 8/12/14 8:23 AM, Ryan Schmidt wrote: On Aug 12, 2014, at 10:20 AM, David Evans dev...@macports.org wrote: On 8/12/14 8:06 AM, Ryan Schmidt wrote: On Aug 12, 2014, at 9:56 AM, Mojca Miklavec mo...@macports.org wrote: Now about 5.8-5.16: my idea was to initially set the INC path for those

Re: Perl changes (+ please wait a bit with commits in perl modules if possible)

2014-08-12 Thread Mojca Miklavec
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 5:23 PM, Ryan Schmidt wrote: On Aug 12, 2014, at 10:20 AM, David Evans wrote: On 8/12/14 8:06 AM, Ryan Schmidt wrote: On Aug 12, 2014, at 9:56 AM, Mojca Miklavec wrote: Now about 5.8-5.16: my idea was to initially set the INC path for those versions in such a way that

Re: Perl changes (+ please wait a bit with commits in perl modules if possible)

2014-08-12 Thread Frank Schima
On Aug 12, 2014, at 10:03 AM, Mojca Miklavec mo...@macports.org wrote: On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 5:23 PM, Ryan Schmidt wrote: On Aug 12, 2014, at 10:20 AM, David Evans wrote: On 8/12/14 8:06 AM, Ryan Schmidt wrote: On Aug 12, 2014, at 9:56 AM, Mojca Miklavec wrote: Now about 5.8-5.16: my idea

Re: Perl changes (+ please wait a bit with commits in perl modules if possible)

2014-08-12 Thread Craig Treleaven
At 8:32 AM -0700 8/12/14, David Evans wrote: On 8/12/14 8:23 AM, Ryan Schmidt wrote: On Aug 12, 2014, at 10:20 AM, David Evans dev...@macports.org wrote: On 8/12/14 8:06 AM, Ryan Schmidt wrote: On Aug 12, 2014, at 9:56 AM, Mojca Miklavec mo...@macports.org wrote: Now about 5.8-5.16: my

Re: Perl changes (+ please wait a bit with commits in perl modules if possible)

2014-08-12 Thread Clemens Lang
Is there data coming in through mpstats that could help with this decision? What is the distribution of perl installs by version? No helpful data from mpstats at the moment. Don't bother checking. -- Clemens Lang ___ macports-dev mailing list

Re: Perl changes (+ please wait a bit with commits in perl modules if possible)

2014-08-12 Thread Frank Schima
On Aug 12, 2014, at 8:45 AM, Mojca Miklavec mo...@macports.org wrote: On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 4:30 PM, Daniel J. Luke wrote: On Aug 12, 2014, at 10:15 AM, Mojca Miklavec wrote: Other than that I can definitely create a new branch to simplify testing and add the same patch to all perl

Re: Perl changes (+ please wait a bit with commits in perl modules if possible)

2014-08-12 Thread David Evans
On 8/12/14 9:30 AM, Frank Schima wrote: On Aug 12, 2014, at 10:03 AM, Mojca Miklavec mo...@macports.org wrote: On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 5:23 PM, Ryan Schmidt wrote: On Aug 12, 2014, at 10:20 AM, David Evans wrote: On 8/12/14 8:06 AM, Ryan Schmidt wrote: On Aug 12, 2014, at 9:56 AM, Mojca

Re: Perl changes (+ please wait a bit with commits in perl modules if possible)

2014-08-12 Thread Frank Schima
On Aug 12, 2014, at 10:30 AM, Frank Schima m...@macports.org wrote: For me, the only thing holding up moving to perl 5.20 is p5.20-pdo, 5.20-wx and possibly a few others that work fine with p5.16. I meant p5-pdl here. -Frank ___ macports-dev

Re: Perl changes (+ please wait a bit with commits in perl modules if possible)

2014-08-12 Thread Mojca Miklavec
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 6:43 PM, David Evans wrote: On 8/12/14 9:30 AM, Frank Schima wrote: I see no reason to change perl 5.16 or lower because they are already working. Let’s just look forward to 5.18 and 5.20. Even if 5.18 is a lame duck already. For me, the only thing holding up

Re: Perl changes (+ please wait a bit with commits in perl modules if possible)

2014-08-12 Thread Mojca Miklavec
Another thing that I noticed: running installer in trace mode reveals many missing basic dependencies in basically all modules. Typical example: Warning: An activity was attempted outside sandbox: /opt/local/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.18/ExtUtils/Liblist.pm Warning: An activity was attempted

Re: Perl changes (+ please wait a bit with commits in perl modules if possible)

2014-08-12 Thread Dan Ports
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 08:19:27AM -0700, David Evans wrote: As Daniel has said, no point in changing things that are going to go away so we need to get a consensus on where we want to go with this. My input here would be this: * make the necessary changes to perl5.18 to work as perl5.20

Re: Perl changes (+ please wait a bit with commits in perl modules if possible)

2014-08-12 Thread Daniel J. Luke
On Aug 12, 2014, at 5:25 PM, Dan Ports dpo...@macports.org wrote: On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 08:19:27AM -0700, David Evans wrote: As Daniel has said, no point in changing things that are going to go away so we need to get a consensus on where we want to go with this. My input here would be