Re: Annoying mac Mail Issue since Last UPdate

2015-04-14 Thread Anders Holmberg
Hi! You can do this by turning quicknav off. /A 13 apr 2015 kl. 18:10 skrev Deb Lewis deblewi...@gmail.com: Voiceover J does not allow you to read line by line. At least not for me it hasn't. On 4/13/15, Anders Holmberg and...@pipkrokodil.se wrote: Hi! I use the voiceover j command to

Re: Annoying mac Mail Issue since Last UPdate

2015-04-14 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
take it into account, should the need rise. Chris. - Original Message - From: Donna Goodin doniado...@me.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2015 7:58 AM Subject: Re: Annoying mac Mail Issue since Last UPdate Chris, Just in case you have trouble, when I

Re: Annoying mac Mail Issue since Last UPdate

2015-04-14 Thread Donna Goodin
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2015 7:58 AM Subject: Re: Annoying mac Mail Issue since Last UPdate Chris, Just in case you have trouble, when I did this I had better luck putting one finger on the trackpad and dragging downward with another finger. Not sure why, but that worked better for me

Re: Annoying mac Mail Issue since Last UPdate

2015-04-14 Thread Donna Goodin
payne in Yosemite, and while at it, also how do you do it in Mavericks 10.9.5? Chris. - Original Message - From: Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, April 13, 2015 1:22 PM Subject: Re: Annoying mac Mail Issue since Last UPdate Hi

Re: Annoying mac Mail Issue since Last UPdate

2015-04-13 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
, 2015 1:22 PM Subject: Re: Annoying mac Mail Issue since Last UPdate Hi, No, QuickNav should not be part of the picture. The VO-j method, of course, is only usable when the Preview Pane is active. As long as the VO-j action automatically interacts with the Message Content area, it should still

Re: Annoying mac Mail Issue since Last UPdate

2015-04-13 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
Message - From: Deb Lewis deblewi...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, April 13, 2015 12:10 PM Subject: Re: Annoying mac Mail Issue since Last UPdate Voiceover J does not allow you to read line by line. At least not for me it hasn't. On 4/13/15, Anders

Re: Annoying mac Mail Issue since Last UPdate

2015-04-13 Thread Deb Lewis
@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, April 13, 2015 12:10 PM Subject: Re: Annoying mac Mail Issue since Last UPdate Voiceover J does not allow you to read line by line. At least not for me it hasn't. On 4/13/15, Anders Holmberg and...@pipkrokodil.se wrote: Hi! I use the voiceover j command to read

Re: Annoying mac Mail Issue since Last UPdate

2015-04-13 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
Message - From: Deb Lewis deblewi...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, April 13, 2015 12:10 PM Subject: Re: Annoying mac Mail Issue since Last UPdate Voiceover J does not allow you to read line by line. At least not for me it hasn't. On 4/13/15, Anders Holmberg

Re: Annoying mac Mail Issue since Last UPdate

2015-04-13 Thread Tim Kilburn
kilbu...@me.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, April 13, 2015 1:22 PM Subject: Re: Annoying mac Mail Issue since Last UPdate Hi, No, QuickNav should not be part of the picture. The VO-j method, of course, is only usable when the Preview Pane is active. As long as the VO-j

Re: Annoying mac Mail Issue since Last UPdate

2015-04-13 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
in Yosemite, and while at it, also how do you do it in Mavericks 10.9.5? Chris. - Original Message - From: Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, April 13, 2015 1:22 PM Subject: Re: Annoying mac Mail Issue since Last UPdate Hi

Re: Annoying mac Mail Issue since Last UPdate

2015-04-13 Thread Deb Lewis
I don' thave the preview payne open so that would explain it. VO-J does read the window but in the same way that reading it from the scroll view does. On 4/13/15, Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com wrote: Hi, No, QuickNav should not be part of the picture. The VO-j method, of course, is only usable

Re: Annoying mac Mail Issue since Last UPdate

2015-04-13 Thread Tim Kilburn
Hi, No, QuickNav should not be part of the picture. The VO-j method, of course, is only usable when the Preview Pane is active. As long as the VO-j action automatically interacts with the Message Content area, it should still work for you. Should is my favourite word in computer-land

Re: Annoying mac Mail Issue since Last UPdate

2015-04-13 Thread Deb Lewis
When I do VO-J I can't read line by line. It says text but then it's still only readable as an entire message. Do you have to be using quick nav for this to work? On 4/13/15, Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com wrote: Hi, I believe what is happening here is primarily related to iMap mail accounts

Re: Annoying mac Mail Issue since Last UPdate

2015-04-13 Thread Deb Lewis
Voiceover J does not allow you to read line by line. At least not for me it hasn't. On 4/13/15, Anders Holmberg and...@pipkrokodil.se wrote: Hi! I use the voiceover j command to read mails and that works fine. /A 12 apr 2015 kl. 04:51 skrev Deb Lewis deblewi...@gmail.com: Yes, interacting

Re: Annoying mac Mail Issue since Last UPdate

2015-04-13 Thread Tim Kilburn
Hi, I believe what is happening here is primarily related to iMap mail accounts not loading messages as fast as they should. I have three main accounts along with a few seldom used others. Of the three main accounts, one is an iCloud iMap, one a POP, and one a Google Apps gMail iMap account.

Re: Annoying mac Mail Issue since Last UPdate

2015-04-13 Thread Anders Holmberg
Hi! I use the voiceover j command to read mails and that works fine. /A 12 apr 2015 kl. 04:51 skrev Deb Lewis deblewi...@gmail.com: Yes, interacting has not been effective at all. On Apr 11, 2015, at 7:49 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com mailto:mehg...@icloud.com wrote: Even if I

Re: Annoying mac Mail Issue since Last UPdate

2015-04-12 Thread Andrew Lamanche
This behaviour started since Yosemite 10.10.2 on my mac. The only way round it for me is to close the message and open it again and then I can just use my arrow keys. Initially, in 10.10.2 it would happen just on the first message I would attempt to open. But in 10.10.3 it happens more

Re: Annoying mac Mail Issue since Last UPdate

2015-04-12 Thread Jürgen Fleger
Hi, waht about interacting and switching off Quick Nav. Does it help? Luckily I’ve never experienced this issue even though I used 10.10.2 and do use 10.10.3 now. All the best Jürgen Am 12.04.2015 um 10:36 schrieb Andrew Lamanche ioani...@me.com: This behaviour started since Yosemite 10.10.2

Re: Annoying mac Mail Issue since Last UPdate

2015-04-12 Thread Donna Goodin
Gee, glad I saw this thread. I was planning on updating today, and now I think I'll hold off. Cheers, Donna On Apr 11, 2015, at 9:49 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote: Even if I interact, though, I have to use vo-arrows, I can't just arrow. Worse, if a message has multiple links and I

Re: Annoying mac Mail Issue since Last UPdate

2015-04-12 Thread Alex Hall
Yes, that requires that you have the Preview Pane open. I don't, because that will cause any message you arrow past to be marked as read even if you didn't read it. I ely too much on the unread status to put up with that. On Apr 12, 2015, at 10:13 AM, Donna Goodin doniado...@me.com wrote:

Re: Annoying mac Mail Issue since Last UPdate

2015-04-12 Thread ROBERT CARTER
Hi, I know that people use different methods to read mail. I always tab to the messages table and use VO+j to toggle between the message header and the text of the message. When done this way, the arrow keys work just fine in the latest update. Robert Carter On Apr 12, 2015, at 8:53 AM,

Re: Annoying mac Mail Issue since Last UPdate

2015-04-12 Thread Donna Goodin
Don't you have to have preview enabled to do that? Pressing VO-J does nothing when I do it, though I know I did use that method after I first got a Mac back in 2009. Cheers, Donna On Apr 12, 2015, at 9:06 AM, ROBERT CARTER nc5rn...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I know that people use different

RE: Annoying mac Mail Issue since Last UPdate

2015-04-12 Thread george b
How do you remove the preview pain, please. thanks From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Hall Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2015 07:40 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Annoying mac Mail Issue since Last UPdate Yes

Re: Annoying mac Mail Issue since Last UPdate

2015-04-12 Thread Sabahattin Gucukoglu
Yes, I’ve had this problem since the release of Yosemite. I’m now consistently working around it using QuickNav or interaction. If not for the other genuinely useful stuff in Yosemite (in particular Safari and ARIA), this one would kill it for me. -- You received this message because you

Re: Annoying mac Mail Issue since Last UPdate

2015-04-12 Thread Donna Goodin
Subject: Re: Annoying mac Mail Issue since Last UPdate Yes, that requires that you have the Preview Pane open. I don't, because that will cause any message you arrow past to be marked as read even if you didn't read it. I ely too much on the unread status to put up with that. On Apr 12, 2015

RE: Annoying mac Mail Issue since Last UPdate

2015-04-11 Thread george b
May be you all should try disk repair From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Deb Lewis Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2015 19:51 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Annoying mac Mail Issue since Last UPdate Yes, interacting has

Annoying mac Mail Issue since Last UPdate

2015-04-11 Thread Deb Lewis
Hi: I’m noticing since updating the Mac this week that when I open a mail message it no longer is possible to arrow through the message by lines. Now it says message content area and reads the message all at once. I actually don’t like this behavior. It just started with this update this week.

RE: Annoying mac Mail Issue since Last UPdate

2015-04-11 Thread george b
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Annoying mac Mail Issue since Last UPdate Hi: I’m noticing since updating the Mac this week that when I open a mail message it no longer is possible to arrow through the message by lines. Now it says message content area and reads the message all at once. I actually

Re: Annoying mac Mail Issue since Last UPdate

2015-04-11 Thread Alex Hall
Yes, this is a 10.10.3 issue I strongly recommend you email to Apple Accessibility. In the meantime, I find that closing and opening the message 2 or 3 times will fix it. There's a chance that toggling load remote content in Mail's preferences will help, but I can't be sure of that yet. Sent

Re: Annoying mac Mail Issue since Last UPdate

2015-04-11 Thread Deb Lewis
Yes I have noticed that opening the message over and over seems to eventually get it but of course that’s tedious. i’ll write Accessibility. On Apr 11, 2015, at 7:29 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote: Yes, this is a 10.10.3 issue I strongly recommend you email to Apple Accessibility.

Re: Annoying mac Mail Issue since Last UPdate

2015-04-11 Thread Matthew Dyer
Hui, I also notest this. I just interact and all is well. Matthew On 04/11/2015 10:18 PM, Deb Lewis wrote: Hi: I’m noticing since updating the Mac this week that when I open a mail message it no longer is possible to arrow through the message by lines. Now it says message content area

Re: Annoying mac Mail Issue since Last UPdate

2015-04-11 Thread Deb Lewis
Yes, interacting has not been effective at all. On Apr 11, 2015, at 7:49 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote: Even if I interact, though, I have to use vo-arrows, I can't just arrow. Worse, if a message has multiple links and I use vo-cmd-l to move through them. VoiceOver gets stuck on

Re: Annoying mac Mail Issue since Last UPdate

2015-04-11 Thread Alex Hall
Even if I interact, though, I have to use vo-arrows, I can't just arrow. Worse, if a message has multiple links and I use vo-cmd-l to move through them. VoiceOver gets stuck on the first one. It might even say the second or third as I move, but it is actually stuck on the first no matter what.