Re: Disabling the preview pane in Lion mail

2012-04-19 Thread Ioana Gandrabur
Hi, In my case I turned it off to avoid messages I pass through to review with vo in list as read. It made things convusing to keep track of what i read or what I did not yet. I just press enter on a conversation and it opens in new window. I am having problems though with deleting the

Re: Disabling the preview pane in Lion mail

2012-04-19 Thread Steve Holmes
What I do with threads generally is to press right arrow to expand the current thread (need to have quick nav turned off) and then the messages can be opened for reading, deleted or whatever on an individual basis. Or if I wish to delete the whole thread, then I close the thread by pressing left

Re: Disabling the preview pane in Lion mail

2012-04-18 Thread Steve Holmes
Hi Esther and Buddy, I want to thank you both for the ideas for using mail in the newer modern view and being able to close up the message body pane. It works great for me now and the read/unread flags don't get changed by merely going up and down the message list anymore. I think mail on the

Re: Disabling the preview pane in Lion mail

2012-04-16 Thread Frank Ventura
I will second that. The difference is really noticeable in folders with many messages. Frank On Apr 15, 2012, at 6:56 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote: I do find that moving through messages is more responsive with the preview pane turned off. Interesting that the voiceover click mouse command doesn't

Re: Disabling the preview pane in Lion mail

2012-04-16 Thread David Griffith
Under Lion the NumPad Commander 5 button is now perform action. That is the same as VO Spacebar. However on my setup at least control numpad 5 produces a mouse click. I cannot honestly remember if I set this up or whether it comes by default. It is easy to set up if this is not the default.David

Re: Disabling the preview pane in Lion mail

2012-04-16 Thread Ioana Gandrabur
HI all, I had a strange behavior with Esther's procedure. I placed mouse pointer on vertical splitter, turned mouse keys on and when pressing I key just heard a ding. It worked when I performed the FN +i on my keyboard to get the numpad 5 but only after turning vo off. What ever works as they

Re: Disabling the preview pane in Lion mail

2012-04-16 Thread Esther
Hi Ioana, That's an Oops!. I keep forgetting that the VoiceOver Getting Started manual used to recommend that you should not turn on Mouse Keys if you have NumPad Commander turned on. I only remember that from the Leopard guide. You have a Mac Mini, and are using a full-sized keyboard with

Re: Disabling the preview pane in Lion mail

2012-04-16 Thread Ioana Gandrabur
Pretty good explanation Esther as usually. A few observations however.1. I have a small keyboard and activate numpad keys with fn +letter keys but you are right that I do have numpad condor on. 2. Control numpad 5 did not work for the vertical splitter on my mac mini. Neither did vo shift

Re: Disabling the preview pane in Lion mail

2012-04-16 Thread Esther
Hi Ioana, If you're using the IOGear Bluetooth keyboard, I'm not sure how that works on the splitters. (The small keyboard description was the give-away -- everyone who recommends that keyboard for touch typing adds the comment, but I have small hands.) Yes, that keyboard has a num lock key

Disabling the preview pane in Lion mail

2012-04-15 Thread Frank Ventura
Hi all, I am using a Mac with the latest of Lion. Can anyone tell me how to disable the preview pane in Mac mail. I had some old directions for, I think, Leopard but they don't seem to work. Thanks Frank -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups

Re: Disabling the preview pane in Lion mail

2012-04-15 Thread Anne Robertson
Hello Franc, First of all, you need to be in classic view to do this. You also need to have the Trackpad Commander turned off. Go to the horizontal splitter above the body of the message using the VO keys, then bring the mouse (VO-Cmd-F5) and double click using either the trackpad or the

RE: Disabling the preview pane in Lion mail

2012-04-15 Thread Frank Ventura
: Disabling the preview pane in Lion mail Hello Franc, First of all, you need to be in classic view to do this. You also need to have the Trackpad Commander turned off. Go to the horizontal splitter above the body of the message using the VO keys, then bring the mouse (VO-Cmd-F5) and double click using

Re: Disabling the preview pane in Lion mail

2012-04-15 Thread Esther
Hi Anne, Just as an added comment, in situations like this one, where I want to make sure that the mouse pointer doesn't move when I double click, and a physical click with trackpad or mouse is required, I use mouse keys instead to perform the click. After routing my mouse cursor to the

Re: Disabling the preview pane in Lion mail

2012-04-15 Thread Mike Arrigo
I do find that moving through messages is more responsive with the preview pane turned off. Interesting that the voiceover click mouse command doesn't work here, but it definitely does not. On Apr 15, 2012, at 1:56 PM, Esther wrote: Hi Anne, Just as an added comment, in situations like this

Re: Disabling the preview pane in Lion mail

2012-04-15 Thread Esther
Hi Mike, Double-clicking on the horizontal splitter with VO-Shift-Space (e.g., by holding down the Control, Option, and Shift keys while double tapping the space bar) used to work in Leopard to hide the Preview pane. I think this ability went away in Snow Leopard. There are definitely other

Re: Disabling the preview pane in Lion mail

2012-04-15 Thread Buddy Brannan
Hi, If you're in the new mail view, and not classic, it's the vertical splitter that hides the preview pane. And, indeed, you can double click with VO+shift+space to move it. I just did, both to open and to close the preview pane. I can't say how this works with classic view though, sorry.

Re: Disabling the preview pane in Lion mail

2012-04-15 Thread Jonathan C. Cohn
I just tried this and was unable to reproduce on my MacBook. Did you interact did you simulate a single click as I implied from your message? Please provide step by step including what your tracking settings in Voice Over settings are... Thanks, Jonathan Jonathan C. Cohn jonc...@cox.net

Re: Disabling the preview pane in Lion mail

2012-04-15 Thread Buddy Brannan
OK, I have all cursors tracking. That is, keyboard focus follows Voiceover, VO cursor follows keyboard focus, insertion point follows VO, mouse pointer follows VO. Oh wait. I just did something dumb. Never mind. I should maybe actually do this with Lion. LOL -- Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie,

Re: Disabling the preview pane in Lion mail

2012-04-15 Thread Esther
Hi Buddy and Jon, This was interesting. I just re-enabled and disabled the Preview pane in the new mail view for Lion by clicking on the vertical splitter, but I did it with mouse keys. I was using Mouse pointer ignores VoiceOver Cursor for my navigation tracking options under VoiceOver