Re: haven't taken the plunge yet!

2015-11-11 Thread Sabahattin Gucukoglu
And, as a followup: I tried MailMate, but owing to the silly authenticate plain bug in iCloud, I can’t use it on my list account. I will send a note to MailMate’s author, asking him for a workaround. But if you wanted an alternative mail client on OS X, you could give that one a try. -- The

Re: haven't taken the plunge yet!

2015-11-11 Thread Sabahattin Gucukoglu
Thunderbird in Windows. On OS X, like Firefox, it seems to be in a sufficiently broken state as to be unusable. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a me

Re: haven't taken the plunge yet!

2015-11-11 Thread Sadam Ahmed
Exactly. When did this happen? And how accessible is it? Yours truly, Sadam Ahmed Sent from my iPhone -- > On 11 Nov 2015, at 1:14 PM, Devin Prater wrote: > > Wait! Thunderbird works on OS x? > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Nov 10, 2015, at 6:53 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote:

Re: haven't taken the plunge yet!

2015-11-10 Thread Devin Prater
Wait! Thunderbird works on OS x? Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 10, 2015, at 6:53 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote: > > Me neither. It seems to start out fine, then gradually get slower and > slower. Perhaps it is the size of folders? But it seems especially bad in > the classic view, forcing

Re: haven't taken the plunge yet!

2015-11-10 Thread Sabahattin Gucukoglu
Me neither. It seems to start out fine, then gradually get slower and slower. Perhaps it is the size of folders? But it seems especially bad in the classic view, forcing me into the modern layout which I really dislike. Perhaps it’s time for a cleanup. Or perhaps I just use Thunderbird whic

Re: haven't taken the plunge yet!

2015-11-10 Thread Kawal Gucukoglu
No problems with mail here so not sure what is going on with yours Seb. > On 10 Nov 2015, at 04:52, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote: > > I’m using El Capitan too. But I’m now investing heavily in a transition back > to Windows, and recommending that, for their own sakes, people stay on > Yosemite.

Re: haven't taken the plunge yet!

2015-11-10 Thread Sadam Ahmed
Happens on Facebook and my banking website. It's really a problem when a so called release to fix issues actually introduces VoiceOver bugs. Haven't come across a release this bad in a while from Apple and have been using the Mac all the way back to Snow Leopard. I am afraid going to stick

Re: haven't taken the plunge yet!

2015-11-09 Thread Sabahattin Gucukoglu
I’m using El Capitan too. But I’m now investing heavily in a transition back to Windows, and recommending that, for their own sakes, people stay on Yosemite. The overall stability of Yosemite might be suspect, but at least the VoiceOver bugs have not reached absurd proportions (my biggest bugb

Re: haven't taken the plunge yet!

2015-11-09 Thread Shawn Krasniuk
Hey Scott. I actually sold my Windows laptop the same day I bought my Mac. I'm glad I did because it forced me to use OS X and not rely upon Windows as a crutch. Mark, when you wrote, Consider this: If you were going to buy a new Mac, today, it would ship with El Capitan. Now, would that fact p

Re: haven't taken the plunge yet!

2015-11-09 Thread Kawal Gucukoglu
Safari locking up? Never seen it. Scott, I haven’t got Windows on either of my Mac machines and I’m glad about that. At home, I solely use the Mac as like you, if I had windows on here, I’d fall back to windows. This I think has made me feel comfortable. I have the up-to-date VMware installe

Re: haven't taken the plunge yet!

2015-11-09 Thread E.T.
I cannot help but surmise that there are many many factors outside of Apple that contributes to ongoing issues. An example is the web and its constantly evolving interfaces. Some webmasters may do a nice job and some might throw in all the bells and whistles that do nothing but create ga

Re: haven't taken the plunge yet!

2015-11-09 Thread Sadam Ahmed
Mark, I can't say I agree. El Capitan at least to me, is far removed from previous releases when it comes to bugs. I yearn for the days of Mountain Lion when Safari didn't lock up. On 11/10/2015 12:05 AM, jeff `greene wrote: Hi Mark, Thanks for your input! The first time I updated to 10.

Re: haven't taken the plunge yet!

2015-11-09 Thread E.T.
"...I don’t think they make the leap fully." Its not that simple for many. Transitioning to OS X is ultimately achievable but the work involved is sometimes daunting to many users. And some who think they have a handle on their Macs really do not. That is why we are here. From E.T.'s K

Re: haven't taken the plunge yet!

2015-11-09 Thread Scott Granados
Hi Kawal, I’m with you I don’t think people enter in to a Mac with the right mindset sometimes. Another problem is I don’t think they make the leap fully. They keep falling back on their windows machine and never force themselves to make the transition. The only way I could make it work was t

Re: haven't taken the plunge yet!

2015-11-09 Thread Kawal Gucukoglu
Hello Mark. Thanks for writing about your view of El Capitan. I hope now I am spelling the OS System in its correct spelling. I agree with you Mark about the E-mail as I have now been using El Capitan and feel also that it’s much like how it use to be as I started using the Mac when Snow Leop

Re: haven't taken the plunge yet!

2015-11-09 Thread jeff `greene
Hi Mark, Thanks for your input! The first time I updated to 10.11 half of my apps would open saying "program" has no windows. Some of these have been updated since, and a couple i got rid of because I found better options on the app store. Also in 10.11 safari seemed really buggy, I couldn't always

Re: haven't taken the plunge yet!

2015-11-09 Thread David Chittenden
Hello, I am in complete agreement with Mark. I also use standard view in mail. Then again, I mainly use my tiny computer, AKA iPhone 6+. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone > On 9 Nov 2015, at 20:59, M. Taylor wrote: > > Hello

RE: haven't taken the plunge yet!

2015-11-09 Thread M. Taylor
Hello Jeff, I, for one, am absolutely delighted with El Capitan. I cannot reproduce many of the bugs that some have mentioned. This may be, in part, because of the differences in the way people interact with the OS and/or applications. For instance, I think the Mail application is better th

Re: haven't taken the plunge yet!

2015-11-08 Thread jeff `greene
Hi, Thanks for all the good info about upgrading! Its just I started thinking I was missing out on some cool feature etc. Thanks, Jeff > On Nov 8, 2015, at 7:14 PM, Sadam Ahmed wrote: > > Hi, > > AppleVis has put together a list detailing the current issues. > > http://www.applevis.com/blo

Re: haven't taken the plunge yet!

2015-11-08 Thread Sadam Ahmed
Hi, AppleVis has put together a list detailing the current issues. http://www.applevis.com/blog/mac-os-x-news/accessibility-bugs-os-x-1011-el-capitan-serious-minor. Many of these problems persist even after the update pushed out most recently. If you have a secondary Mac no problems go ahe

Re: haven't taken the plunge yet!

2015-11-08 Thread Marianne Denning
Can you explain some of these? On 11/8/15, Sadam Ahmed wrote: > Hi jeff, > > My advice would be to stay put for now. > > There are still many issues that haven't been resolved from a accessibility > perspective. > > Yours truly, > > Sadam Ahmed > > Sent from my iPhone > > -- > > > >> On 9 Nov 201

Re: haven't taken the plunge yet!

2015-11-08 Thread Sadam Ahmed
Hi jeff, My advice would be to stay put for now. There are still many issues that haven't been resolved from a accessibility perspective. Yours truly, Sadam Ahmed Sent from my iPhone -- > On 9 Nov 2015, at 9:34 AM, jeff `greene wrote: > > Hi, Well when OS X 10.11 came out I upgra