I agree that Apple's model is better because the issue is addressed
where it should be, at the application level. A screen reader developer
making scripts removes the responsibility from the app developer. Of
course, some developers just are unwilling to fix the accessibility
issues with their
There is o paid screen reader for the mac, nor is there really a need
for one. I will address a few of your concerns. Not sure what you mean
about browser support, I have no problems searching for fields or
navigating tables on the web. Regarding the issues with Microsoft
office programs, this
Agreed, we should not have to pay any more to access a device than a
sightedperson does, and accessibility should not have to be developed
by third parties, the company that makes the products should be
responsible for making it universally accessible and that's what apple
has done.
Original
Good morning every one,
This is my last post on this topic , yes keith , my last, and after, I will
reply some privately.
I'll thank you all for the discussion and the points where that strong to have
a discussion but in global: a paid screenreader is idd not a good idea.
It's because the built
Hi all, I think a paid screenreader would create an environment like we have in
the Windows world, relying on third parties to develop scripts for apps that
don't work well out of the box, having to wait for those scripts to be updated
if something is broken in an app update, OS update etc. I
I was talked through how to install it once. unfortunately, its not so easy (it
seems that voiceover gets a little slow in the script utility and I do not
why.).
I will respond privately with the attachment.
-eric
On Jun 25, 2012, at 8:13 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
Erick, would you
All.
I really get tied of seeing these bashing threads on different OS's and screen
reader. This isn't productive at all and shows quite a negative outlook.
Each model has positive and negative components which they range beyond what
has been discussed thus far. If you believe there is
I agree that we need to mace always constructive comments. Just a little
question, What is GFC? I don't know.
Thanks!
SALUDOS, DANIELA R.T.
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GFC is global Financial Crises which occurred in 2009. I work for an
international company which is getting ready for it now.
Sean
On 26/06/2012, at 9:41 PM, Daniela Rubio wrote:
I agree that we need to mace always constructive comments. Just a little
question, What is GFC? I don't know.
I believe that you access the Skype keypad by using command+2.
IS that what you wanted?
Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
Skype name:
barefootedray
On Jun 25, 2012, at 10:19 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
Aa! So that's! how you do it!
Global Financial Crisis. I don't think it'll affect Apple enough that they
would have to trim accessibilityRD.
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Hi.
I'm sure you do realize that there is a newer version of Skype available?
This version has that keystroke.
On 2012-06-25, at 11:14 PM, Eric Oyen wrote:
that key assignment was not set as default and in Skype 2.8 (which I use on
OS X 10.6) it doesn't even show as an assignment at all. I
I am aware. I have troubles with the newer version of Skype. I cannot get it to
speak messages in the text window automatically with growl. that and the
interface is a bit more confusing. I think I will need someone sighted to help
me with the layout when I do get around to it.
-eric
On Jun
Lol! What makes to have a different native language! thanks!
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El 26/06/2012, a las 17:14, Pete Nalda
Hi.
Adding to what Ray said, It doesn't seem really that necessary for there to be
a 3rd party screen reading option for the Mac. Something like that will
probably cost $1 or something else ridiculous and there will probably be an
SMA every version or so for another $1000.
It seems like
Hello,
thx very much for your comments.
I am not against mac and voiceover at all but, of today, I have to conclude
that I can't work with my mac only in a windows/mac based environment for a
administrative job.
Numbers09 is not a equivalent to excel 2007/2010: les navigation options, les
Yeah, and like we don't ha8e any annoyances with those current others for
Windows (not mentioning any, but it's not necessay.)
Eugenia Firth
gigifi...@sbcglobal.net
On Jun 25, 2012, at 7:52 AM, Matthew Campbell wrote:
Hi.
Adding to what Ray said, It doesn't seem really that necessary for
Hello,
I have not been on the Mac as long as you have, but after using a
Window computer for 20 years or more, I am extremely happy with my Mac. You
are correct when you say the Mac screen reader is more stable than the Windows
screen readers. I agree that this more than likely due to
One of the double edged swords is that many apps work in the Jaws world
because the developer has written jaws-specific scripts for their app.
These scripts get around shortcomings in either the screen reader or the
app's communication with the accessibility APIs. They are often times
written
I think I like Apples' model better myself. To tha end, I wonder how we can
communicate with Devs to encourage them to make more accessible apps. That
there is a market, I think that Apple could encourage this too.
Egun On, Lagunak! Basque for G'day, Mates
Louie P. (Pete) Nalda
Hello Scott,
about dropbox, it works fine when you have pasted the setup but, to make it up
and running or reconfigure your account, it can be hard to do it on your self.
I know, you can go into the package contents to chose another .app file but
this gives not always a solution.
as I have
It would be nice to have a second screen-reading option. Every screen reader
has its advantages and disadvantages, so it would be nice to be able to use the
screen reader that works best for the task at hand.
Rafael Bejarano
From:
First: A very helpful way to work with tables, at least on web pages, is
possible if you have a full-sized keyboard, by using NumPad Commander; it is
possible to use the number keys to move up, down, left or right in a table by
unit, so that you can get a much better sense of how things are
I don't know quite what you are talking about with Dropbox. It is surely
accessible on the Mac and can be configured as well. The trick is, during
setup, not to place the dropbox app file in your application folder and to run
it where you downloaded it. For whatever the reason, that
Just to add to what John said and I'm probably repeating myself but I think
that by contacting the developer rather than waiting for new scripts to be
released for a programme will work better in the long run.
I can see two things it doing 1. Hopefully in the long term with this approach
will
Whole heartedly! agree.
Chris.
- Original Message -
From: Ray Foret Jr
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 8:42 AM
Subject: Re: is a paid screenreader for the mac a option?
Couldn't be more wrong. Why you want to make the Mac more like clunky
Hi again guys.
Besides, we should remember that Apple, compared say to Windows screen reader
writers, has been at this for a much shorter time. They've made incredible
progress in the time they've been at it. Another little while will show some
more progress.
Eugenia Firth
Hi John.
I think Apple did a really good thing for us in the last Key Note. They were
saying to everybody that accessibility was a good thing they were happy about,
and at a developer's conference at that. I think that more developers will get
the point that accessibility is big time
Absolutely. Anyone who thinks Apple is just supporting accessiblity for
good public relations is sadly mistaken. There is a commitment there, and I
honestly would not be surprised if Steve Jobs himself had been the one to
really kick that commitment into gear. Every release of a new Mac
Cheree Heppe here:
At the risk of leaving one of those curt messages, Yes, I totally agree with
this perspective Mark has put forward.
I want to get away from the third party gate keepers, not enable them further.
Regards,
Cheree Heppe
- Original Message -
From: Mark BurningHawk
Well, actually dropbox is pretty inaccessible on the mack. I mean, sharing
files with it works no problem. Everything else is pooched though. Forget
seeing your update history or recovering accidentally deleted files or anything
that involves the status menu icon.
I think it's totally bogus
VoiceOver has grown very fast in the last 3 years. Wait until Next OS is
released, there are going to be nice surprises on accessibility. I have being
working with tables in pages lastly and there is always a work around things.
Why don't somebody, instead of creating a separated screen reader,
applescript is as (if not more) powerful than the scripting interface for jaws.
since it is built-on to OS X, you can do a lot more with it than you could in
windows with jaws scripts. Apple scripts can be set up as system services,
application interfaces or even assigned to shortcuts. I use
Hi.
What's wrong with pressing command shift M to mute Skype?
On 2012-06-25, at 8:39 PM, Eric Oyen wrote:
applescript is as (if not more) powerful than the scripting interface for
jaws. since it is built-on to OS X, you can do a lot more with it than you
could in windows with jaws scripts.
Erick, would you be so kind to send me the script to mute my mike, and tell
me how to install it?
Chris.
- Original Message -
From: Eric Oyen eric.o...@gmail.com
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 8:39 PM
Subject: Re: is a paid screenreader for the mac a
that key assignment was not set as default and in Skype 2.8 (which I use on OS
X 10.6) it doesn't even show as an assignment at all. I had to use a mute Skype
script. also, I have to set Skype to auto-answer as there doesn't appear to be
any way I can access the answer dialog (I know, I have
Really??? When somebody calls me on skype, I can just vo right arrow to the
accept button and it's there. I'm runing the latest skype and Lion.
On 26/06/2012, at 3:14 PM, Eric Oyen wrote:
that key assignment was not set as default and in Skype 2.8 (which I use on
OS X 10.6) it doesn't even
Aa! So that's! how you do it! Coolness! Now, anyone got a keystroke for
toggling on and off the key pad for dialing touch tones?
Chris.
- Original Message -
From: Matthew Campbell wrestling.ch...@gmail.com
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 9:07 PM
Bravo Mark! I heartily agree!
-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mark BurningHawk
Baxter
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 10:39 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: is a paid screenreader for the mac a
Hi,
Like some have mentioned, with Mountain Lion on the horizon, many of these
issues might be addressed. We should probably wait until then then reevaluate
what Apple needs to work on in regards to accessibility and Voiceover. Your
point is valid though. I believe that access to icons in
Hi,
I think this was the original posters point. Work arounds are just that, work
arounds. :). Of course, as a blind person, I sometimes feel my life is a work
around. lol. So, We grow accustom to figuring out tips and tricks to get blood
from a stone so to speak. But there is always a
Hi,
I believe one is already built into skype. I think its command 2. You can
double check by checking in the windows menu.
hth
Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecore
www.appletothecore.info
On Jun 25, 2012, at 11:19 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland
Hi,
I have a script to answer calls as well as hang up. Its very handy. lol
Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecore
www.appletothecore.info
On Jun 25, 2012, at 11:14 PM, Eric Oyen eric.o...@gmail.com wrote:
that key assignment was not set as default and in Skype 2.8
Here here!... especially for those refrigerators.
Seriously, I am stunned anyone would think they could market such a thing.
It is not like much of the windows paid screen reader market was aimed at
the real users in he first place, had it been the lack of customer service e
especially in the
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