Re: [RFC] Maemo package guidelines: mandatory categories

2008-04-17 Thread Niels Breet
-- to the list too this time.. > >> At least it is not listed here: >> http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/creating_a_debian >> _package.html >> > > It's here as well: > > > http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/making_application > _packages.html > I stand corr

Re: [RFC] Maemo package guidelines: mandatory categories

2008-04-17 Thread Niels Breet
> On Thursday 17 April 2008 12:33:26 Marius Vollmer wrote: > >> I am sure you notice the conflict here: whatever list you come up with >> will be unsuitable for someone. You want strict policy enforcement, >> based on community 'feelings'. How can that work? > > I am strongly against strict enfor

Re: [RFC] Maemo package guidelines: mandatory categories

2008-04-17 Thread Allen Brown
Yes! Yes! A thousand times, yes! -- Allen Brown http://brown.armoredpenguin.com/~abrown > Hi all, > > Here is my first suggestion to clean up the complete mess we have at the > moment when it comes to package categories in the maemo extras repository. > There is no official list of categories,

Re: [RFC] Maemo package guidelines: mandatory categories

2008-04-17 Thread Kees Jongenburger
On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 1:33 PM, Marius Vollmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am sure you notice the conflict here: whatever list you come up with > will be unsuitable for someone. You want strict policy enforcement, > based on community 'feelings'. How can that work? I guess we are talking

Re: [RFC] Maemo package guidelines: mandatory categories

2008-04-17 Thread Graham Cobb
On Thursday 17 April 2008 14:46:04 Marius Vollmer wrote: > "ext Graham Cobb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > NO. NO. NO! No one gets to change my package! > > Don't worry, nobody is going to do that. :-) I was thinking about the > normal Debian 'overrides' machinery. I realised that was the mec

Re: [RFC] Maemo package guidelines: mandatory categories

2008-04-17 Thread Marius Vollmer
"ext Andrew Flegg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> The gatekeepers would be the ones fixing non-compliance (by rejecting >> violations, or by correcting them directly). > > I agree. Excellent, we've got the start of consensus :-) But we still need someone that is able/willing to actually execute

Re: [RFC] Maemo package guidelines: mandatory categories

2008-04-17 Thread Marius Vollmer
"ext Graham Cobb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Thursday 17 April 2008 13:36:15 Marius Vollmer wrote: >> "ext Andrew Flegg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> > Having said that, perhaps the MOTU-style proposal of gatekeepers doing >> > QA checks could help here. Deviation is permitted, if it gets

Re: [RFC] Maemo package guidelines: mandatory categories

2008-04-17 Thread Aniello Del Sorbo
I agree with what Graham suggests. Good maintainers will follow the category list and try to figure out where to put their packages and are still able to create a new one (eventually accepted or rejected) by the community. Bad ones will be reported of their mistakes. The AM could follow the offic

Re: [RFC] Maemo package guidelines: mandatory categories

2008-04-17 Thread Neal H. Walfield
At Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:52:07 +0100, Graham Cobb wrote: > The second problem is the real problem: categories are random, overlapp or > are > just variant words for the same thing and are not translated. As someone > suggested when this was last discussed, some months ago, I believe there > shou

Re: [RFC] Maemo package guidelines: mandatory categories

2008-04-17 Thread Graham Cobb
On Thursday 17 April 2008 13:36:15 Marius Vollmer wrote: > "ext Andrew Flegg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Having said that, perhaps the MOTU-style proposal of gatekeepers doing > > QA checks could help here. Deviation is permitted, if it gets through > > a gatekeeper: > > Yes, I agree. I was p

Re: [RFC] Maemo package guidelines: mandatory categories

2008-04-17 Thread Graham Cobb
On Thursday 17 April 2008 13:33:31 Jussi Kukkonen wrote: > I agree, but apparently many do not. You may remember I posted about > this a few months ago: In addition to complaining I also filed dozens of > bugs in various places. That was very useful, thanks. For GPE I fixed the packages appearin

Re: [RFC] Maemo package guidelines: mandatory categories

2008-04-17 Thread Graham Cobb
On Thursday 17 April 2008 12:33:26 Marius Vollmer wrote: > I am sure you notice the conflict here: whatever list you come up with > will be unsuitable for someone. You want strict policy enforcement, > based on community 'feelings'. How can that work? I am strongly against strict enforcement. A

Re: [RFC] Maemo package guidelines: mandatory categories

2008-04-17 Thread Andrew Flegg
On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 1:36 PM, Marius Vollmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "ext Andrew Flegg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > That's what we've got now! > > Yeah, but you cut the important part: > > At the same time, make it possible for people to improve policy > compliance by doing

Re: [RFC] Maemo package guidelines: mandatory categories

2008-04-17 Thread Marius Vollmer
"ext Andrew Flegg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 12:33 PM, Marius Vollmer > >> I am sure you notice the conflict here: whatever list you come up with >> will be unsuitable for someone. You want strict policy enforcement, >> based on community 'feelings'. How can that w

Re: [RFC] Maemo package guidelines: mandatory categories

2008-04-17 Thread Jussi Kukkonen
Niels Breet wrote: > Hi all, > > Here is my first suggestion to clean up the complete mess we have at the > moment when it comes to package categories in the maemo extras repository. > There is no official list of categories, which has brought us to state > we are in now. > > We have these nice c

Re: [RFC] Maemo package guidelines: mandatory categories

2008-04-17 Thread Andrew Flegg
On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 12:33 PM, Marius Vollmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "ext Niels Breet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > We need to come up with an official list and don't allow new categories to > > be created unless the community feels it is needed. > > I am sure you notice the confli

Re: [RFC] Maemo package guidelines: mandatory categories

2008-04-17 Thread Marius Vollmer
"ext Simon Pickering" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Can the Debian system support multiple sub-categories? E.g. > user/multimedia/Ringtones That would be debtags, http://debtags.alioth.debian.org/ We have been talking about using debtags instead of the "Section: user/FOO" hack to control visibil

Re: [RFC] Maemo package guidelines: mandatory categories

2008-04-17 Thread Marius Vollmer
"ext Niels Breet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> There is, http://hildon-app-mgr.garage.maemo.org/packaging-stable.html: >> > > Ok, we need to get this in the official documentation. I don't think many > developers will find it there! True. I just quoted that document because I knew where it wa

RE: [RFC] Maemo package guidelines: mandatory categories

2008-04-17 Thread Simon Pickering
> > user/accessoriesAccessories > > user/communication Communication > > user/games Games > > user/multimedia Multimedia > > user/office Office > > user/other Other > > user/programmingProgramming > > user/supportSupport > > user/themes Themes

Re: [RFC] Maemo package guidelines: mandatory categories

2008-04-17 Thread Marius Vollmer
"ext Niels Breet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > There is no official list of categories, which has brought us to state > we are in now. There is, http://hildon-app-mgr.garage.maemo.org/packaging-stable.html: Segments and Sections By default, the AM only shows packages in certain segment

Re: [RFC] Maemo package guidelines: mandatory categories

2008-04-17 Thread Niels Breet
> "ext Niels Breet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >> There is no official list of categories, which has brought us to state >> we are in now. > > There is, http://hildon-app-mgr.garage.maemo.org/packaging-stable.html: > Ok, we need to get this in the official documentation. I don't think many de

[RFC] Maemo package guidelines: mandatory categories

2008-04-17 Thread Niels Breet
Hi all, Here is my first suggestion to clean up the complete mess we have at the moment when it comes to package categories in the maemo extras repository. There is no official list of categories, which has brought us to state we are in now. We have these nice categories for example: 'Boingo', 'C