Re: Maemo 5 Keymaps - The Saga of Pipe & Tab

2009-10-18 Thread Ryan Abel
Banging my head into the wall on this over the past few days. Seems like it's a newfangled HAL issue, but I haven't been able to divine anything about how I should go about making this thing cooperate. Can somebody who has a clue about this stuff please just throw me a bone here? ___

Re: Maemo 5 Keymaps - The Saga of Pipe & Tab

2009-10-15 Thread Ryan Abel
On Oct 15, 2009, at 7:23 AM, Joaquim Rocha wrote: > Matan Ziv-Av wrote: > >> On Thu, 15 Oct 2009, Roald de Vries wrote: >> >> >> This is not exact. It might work in a terminal emulator, but it is >> not a >> universal thing. Tab and Esc are useful in a lot of programs (such as >> Esc for stop cu

Re: Maemo 5 Keymaps - The Saga of Pipe & Tab

2009-10-15 Thread Roald de Vries
> > ASCII has has 33 control characters, among which tab and esc. These can be > > typed in your terminal through control-something. For example, CTRL-I is > > tab, CTRL-[ is escape, CTRL-H is backspace (destructive) and CTRL-M is > > enter. This is not really a solution to all the problems, but

Re: Maemo 5 Keymaps - The Saga of Pipe & Tab

2009-10-15 Thread Joaquim Rocha
Hi, Matan Ziv-Av wrote: > On Thu, 15 Oct 2009, Roald de Vries wrote: > > > This is not exact. It might work in a terminal emulator, but it is not a > universal thing. Tab and Esc are useful in a lot of programs (such as > Esc for stop current page loading in a browser, and inserting a Tab in

Re: Maemo 5 Keymaps - The Saga of Pipe & Tab

2009-10-15 Thread Matan Ziv-Av
On Thu, 15 Oct 2009, Roald de Vries wrote: >> fn-backspace for esc, fn-enter for tab, or whatever else you want. The key >> is, once we figure this out, you can remap to your heart's content. ;) > > ASCII has has 33 control characters, among which tab and esc. These > can be typed in your termin

Re: Maemo 5 Keymaps - The Saga of Pipe & Tab

2009-10-15 Thread Dave Neary
Ville M. Vainio wrote: > On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 11:02 PM, Ryan Abel wrote: > >> So qwerty12 compiled a patched xev, I grabbed keycodes and I spent a >> couple hours trying to convince the device that it'd be a really great >> idea for shift-fn-b to send a pipe, for fn-right arrow to send tab,

Re: Maemo 5 Keymaps - The Saga of Pipe & Tab

2009-10-15 Thread Roald de Vries
> fn-backspace for esc, fn-enter for tab, or whatever else you want. The key > is, once we figure this out, you can remap to your heart's content. ;) ASCII has has 33 control characters, among which tab and esc. These can be typed in your terminal through control-something. For example, CTRL-I i

Re: Maemo 5 Keymaps - The Saga of Pipe & Tab

2009-10-14 Thread Ryan Abel
On Oct 14, 2009, at 5:45 PM, Roald de Vries wrote: >> My own picks for remaps (tab I can handle in X Terminal, although >> the shortcut bar no longer editable = more sacrifice for the sake >> of "simplicity") would be < and >. > > And how can you do (bash) command line editing and use vim with

Re: Maemo 5 Keymaps - The Saga of Pipe & Tab

2009-10-14 Thread Roald de Vries
> My own picks for remaps (tab I can handle in X Terminal, although the > shortcut bar no longer editable = more sacrifice for the sake of > "simplicity") would be < and >. And how can you do (bash) command line editing and use vim without the key (or at least )? __

Re: Maemo 5 Keymaps - The Saga of Pipe & Tab

2009-10-14 Thread Marius Gedminas
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 10:37:10PM +0200, Joaquim Rocha wrote: > What hardware keyboard layout are you using at the moment? You can check > this by going to the Settings->Text Input. > > You should be able to input extra characters by pressing Fn and then the > Sym/Ctrl key. A dialog with extra ch

Re: Maemo 5 Keymaps - The Saga of Pipe & Tab

2009-10-14 Thread Ryan Abel
On Oct 14, 2009, at 4:37 PM, Joaquim Rocha wrote: > What hardware keyboard layout are you using at the moment? You can > check > this by going to the Settings->Text Input. English, Nederlands (bizarre). Editing the basic en_US character maps in the symbols file had no effect. > Could this en

Re: Maemo 5 Keymaps - The Saga of Pipe & Tab

2009-10-14 Thread Andrew Flegg
(crap quoting cos of modest, broken sig sep too) I think Ryan knows about the character palette (even with the mindboggling third row behaviour), but even with the compositor and the increased power compared with an N810, it's still slow and clumsy. My own picks for remaps (tab I can handle in

Re: Maemo 5 Keymaps - The Saga of Pipe & Tab

2009-10-14 Thread Joaquim Rocha
Hi Ryan, What hardware keyboard layout are you using at the moment? You can check this by going to the Settings->Text Input. You should be able to input extra characters by pressing Fn and then the Sym/Ctrl key. A dialog with extra characters pops up and all you need to do is tap on the desired o

Re: Maemo 5 Keymaps - The Saga of Pipe & Tab

2009-10-14 Thread Ryan Abel
On Oct 14, 2009, at 4:21 PM, Ville M. Vainio wrote: > On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 11:02 PM, Ryan Abel wrote: > >> So qwerty12 compiled a patched xev, I grabbed keycodes and I spent a >> couple hours trying to convince the device that it'd be a really >> great >> idea for shift-fn-b to send a pipe,

Re: Maemo 5 Keymaps - The Saga of Pipe & Tab

2009-10-14 Thread Ryan Abel
On Oct 14, 2009, at 4:21 PM, Ville M. Vainio wrote: > On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 11:02 PM, Ryan Abel wrote: > >> So qwerty12 compiled a patched xev, I grabbed keycodes and I spent a >> couple hours trying to convince the device that it'd be a really >> great >> idea for shift-fn-b to send a pipe,

Re: Maemo 5 Keymaps - The Saga of Pipe & Tab

2009-10-14 Thread Ville M. Vainio
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 11:02 PM, Ryan Abel wrote: > So qwerty12 compiled a patched xev, I grabbed keycodes and I spent a > couple hours trying to convince the device that it'd be a really great > idea for shift-fn-b to send a pipe, for fn-right arrow to send tab, > and a dozen other shifted and

Maemo 5 Keymaps - The Saga of Pipe & Tab

2009-10-14 Thread Ryan Abel
Many people are likely to complain that the N900's 3-row keyboard does not contain enough keys to be usable. Notably missing are important characters like tab and pipe. Now, there _should_ be a relatively straightforward way to fix this with Xmodmap. But as xev wasn't properly setup to recei