Re: Quality assurance of "stable" software: my battery drained in few hours

2010-06-06 Thread Sivan Greenberg
On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 8:20 PM, Ian Stirling wrote: > Robin Burchell wrote: >> >> On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Ian Stirling >> wrote: It's pretty hard to find out what's eating the battery on N900. First you have decide that the battery is being consumed too fast. The defau

Re: Quality assurance of "stable" software: my battery drained in few hours

2010-06-06 Thread Ian Stirling
Robin Burchell wrote: On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Ian Stirling wrote: It's pretty hard to find out what's eating the battery on N900. First you have decide that the battery is being consumed too fast. The default charge meter occasionally realizes it's very wrong, and rapidly readjusts itse

Re: Quality assurance of "stable" software: my battery drained in few hours

2010-06-06 Thread Robin Burchell
On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Ian Stirling wrote: >> It's pretty hard to find out what's eating the battery on N900. First you >> have decide that the battery is being consumed too fast. The default charge >> meter occasionally realizes it's very wrong, and rapidly readjusts itself, >> giving po

Re: Quality assurance of "stable" software: my battery drained in few hours

2010-06-06 Thread Ian Stirling
Jan Knutar wrote: Doesn't the userland carry some sort of process monitoring, killing malignant processes ? If not, we should develop something like this for MeeGo. It's pretty hard to find out what's eating the battery on N900. First you have decide that the battery is being consumed too fast

Re: Quality assurance of "stable" software: my battery drained in few hours

2010-06-06 Thread Jan Knutar
> Doesn't the userland carry some sort of process monitoring, killing > malignant processes ? If not, we should develop something like this > for MeeGo. It's pretty hard to find out what's eating the battery on N900. First you have decide that the battery is being consumed too fast. The default

Re: Quality assurance of "stable" software: my battery drained in few hours

2010-05-31 Thread Sivan Greenberg
Okay, so we could special case certain process or process groups that need that sort of CPU intensity (I wonder how Chrome is in that regard) . If N900 had a larger stronger battery and if my 3G data connection would have been free, I would not had any objections running s...@home on my N900! I'm

Re: Quality assurance of "stable" software: my battery drained in few hours

2010-05-31 Thread Kimmo Hämäläinen
On Sun, 2010-05-30 at 10:30 +0200, ext Sivan Greenberg wrote: > Stuck could be deduced for example when the process is in more then > 90% CPU for more than a threshold duration that we will predetermine > and being idle on its I/O streams. But that would prevent running s...@home ;) Browser coul

Re: QA Proposals (was Re: Quality assurance of "stable" software: my battery drained in few hours)

2010-05-30 Thread Sivan Greenberg
On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 10:20 PM, David Greaves wrote: > Hi Sivan > > Just checking : >> >> [0]: http://wiki.meego.com/Proposal_for_a_Quality_Assurance_working_group > > and >> >> maemo-developers mailing list > > So we should really take (or at least cc) the QAWG to meego-dev (but see > later) A

QA Proposals (was Re: Quality assurance of "stable" software: my battery drained in few hours)

2010-05-30 Thread David Greaves
On 29/05/10 17:52, Sivan Greenberg wrote: Yes, I am working on this :) Real life and bills paying can sometimes get in the way but I'm slowly going back to being fully active with MeeGo. I will send a notification to go over and review [0] once it is finished, as so far I outlined the tools that

Re: Quality assurance of "stable" software: my battery drained in few hours

2010-05-30 Thread Sivan Greenberg
Stuck could be deduced for example when the process is in more then 90% CPU for more than a threshold duration that we will predetermine and being idle on its I/O streams. Sivan On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Daniil Ivanov wrote: > Hi Sivian! > >  How do you define the stuck? It's Ok for the

Re: Quality assurance of "stable" software: my battery drained in few hours

2010-05-30 Thread Daniil Ivanov
Hi Sivian! How do you define the stuck? It's Ok for the process to consume >90% of CPU time for short period of time. Thanks, Daniil. On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 11:20 AM, Sivan Greenberg wrote: > Hey Daniil, > >  If a process is stuck in and awakened , and consumes more then a > $PERDEFINED %

Re: Quality assurance of "stable" software: my battery drained in few hours

2010-05-30 Thread Sivan Greenberg
Hey Daniil, If a process is stuck in and awakened , and consumes more then a $PERDEFINED % of cpu, and it's output and input streams are idle, then I'd say we need to seriously consider killing it. Sivan On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 11:07 AM, Daniil Ivanov wrote: > Hi Silvan! > >  In these terms GP

Re: Quality assurance of "stable" software: my battery drained in few hours

2010-05-30 Thread Daniil Ivanov
Hi Silvan! In these terms GPS and WiFi are also maligant. How kernel or anything else could know what is reasonable power consumption for a process? Thanks, Daniil. On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 10:49 PM, Sivan Greenberg wrote: > Actually, I would think the kernel should already do something like

Re: Quality assurance of "stable" software: my battery drained in few hours

2010-05-29 Thread Sivan Greenberg
Actually, I would think the kernel should already do something like that... On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 10:48 PM, Sivan Greenberg wrote: > Doesn't the userland carry some sort of process monitoring, killing > malignant processes ? If not, we should develop something like this > for MeeGo. > > Sivan >

Re: Quality assurance of "stable" software: my battery drained in few hours

2010-05-29 Thread Sivan Greenberg
Doesn't the userland carry some sort of process monitoring, killing malignant processes ? If not, we should develop something like this for MeeGo. Sivan On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 10:44 PM, Aniello Del Sorbo wrote: > On 29 May 2010 10:03, Andrea Grandi wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> On 29 May 2010 19:02,

Re: Quality assurance of "stable" software: my battery drained in few hours

2010-05-29 Thread Aniello Del Sorbo
On 29 May 2010 10:03, Andrea Grandi wrote: > Hi, > > On 29 May 2010 19:02, Ian wrote: > > Hi > > > >> I went to sleep at 3:00, I wake up few minutes ago with the N900 > >> powered off. There was not any active connection when I went to sleep, > >> so could anyone please explain me WHO drained my

Re: Quality assurance of "stable" software: my battery drained in few hours

2010-05-29 Thread Andrea Grandi
Hi, On 29 May 2010 19:02, Ian wrote: > Hi > >> I went to sleep at 3:00, I wake up few minutes ago with the N900 >> powered off. There was not any active connection when I went to sleep, >> so could anyone please explain me WHO drained my whole battery?! > > Bluetooth? I'd check that I never use

Re: Quality assurance of "stable" software: my battery drained in few hours

2010-05-29 Thread Sivan Greenberg
On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 6:09 PM, Andrew Flegg wrote: > Ovi's QA (such as obvious battery drainers) will help Nokia see that > crowdsourced QA can be better than their in-house stuff (though our 10 > day process is apparently a bit longer than theirs). I think that we better sacrifice time-to-deli

Re: Quality assurance of "stable" software: my battery drained in few hours

2010-05-29 Thread Sivan Greenberg
Yes, I am working on this :) Real life and bills paying can sometimes get in the way but I'm slowly going back to being fully active with MeeGo. I will send a notification to go over and review [0] once it is finished, as so far I outlined the tools that will enable us better QA but have not expan

Re: Quality assurance of "stable" software: my battery drained in few hours

2010-05-29 Thread Andrew Flegg
Sivan, If you have suggestions for the QA that we can control (i.e. that of maemo.org Extras) please share them. Also, examples of problems with Ovi's QA (such as obvious battery drainers) will help Nokia see that crowdsourced QA can be better than their in-house stuff (though our 10 day process i

Re: Quality assurance of "stable" software: my battery drained in few hours

2010-05-29 Thread Sivan Greenberg
I also experienced that with the Facebook widget alone, but the battery performance is also very poor without any active widgets or connections (6 hours max!). I am also curious what sort of QA procedures the OVI store publishing process carries, but this is what I think only one sign of a greater

Re: Quality assurance of "stable" software: my battery drained in few hours

2010-05-29 Thread Daniil Ivanov
Hi Andrea! On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 1:18 PM, Andrea Grandi wrote: > Hi, > > On 29 May 2010 12:11, Ville M. Vainio wrote: >> On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 1:01 PM, Andrea Grandi wrote: >> >>> I went to sleep at 3:00, I wake up few minutes ago with the N900 >>> powered off. There was not any active conn

Re: Quality assurance of "stable" software: my battery drained in few hours

2010-05-29 Thread Andrea Grandi
Hi, On 29 May 2010 12:11, Ville M. Vainio wrote: > On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 1:01 PM, Andrea Grandi wrote: > >> I went to sleep at 3:00, I wake up few minutes ago with the N900 >> powered off. There was not any active connection when I went to sleep, >> so could anyone please explain me WHO draine

Re: Quality assurance of "stable" software: my battery drained in few hours

2010-05-29 Thread Daniil Ivanov
Hi Andrea! What is your settings for internet connections (Settings->Internet Connection). It's good idea to change it to Always ask. Thanks, Daniil On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 1:01 PM, Andrea Grandi wrote: > Hi all, > > this is my situation: > > - N900 with PR 1.2 flashed > - full charged batt

Re: Quality assurance of "stable" software: my battery drained in few hours

2010-05-29 Thread Ville M. Vainio
On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 1:01 PM, Andrea Grandi wrote: > I went to sleep at 3:00, I wake up few minutes ago with the N900 > powered off. There was not any active connection when I went to sleep, > so could anyone please explain me WHO drained my whole battery?! Can you ensure that your phone does

Quality assurance of "stable" software: my battery drained in few hours

2010-05-29 Thread Andrea Grandi
Hi all, this is my situation: - N900 with PR 1.2 flashed - full charged battery - extras-devel and extras-testing disabled - 2 installed and running widget: facebook (pre-installed by default) and Twitter (available on OVI store) I expect this software to be STABLE. I went to sleep at 3:00, I w