Re: [maemo-users] Random reboots

2007-02-12 Thread Michele
Rainer Dorsch ha scritto: Sergey, on the N770 cat /proc/bootreason was useful. Thanks, Rainer Thx, nice, same on N800 BTW, is there anywhere a list of the reason in a human-readable way? Mine rebooted 10 minutes ago 'wd32 to', just to know what it means :) And I totally agree about

Re: [maemo-users] N800 doesn't charge that well

2007-02-12 Thread Igor Stoppa
On Sat, 2007-02-10 at 09:21 -0500, ext Larry Battraw wrote: On 2/9/07, Kahlil Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a N770 and an N800, I have had issues where I leave the N800 charging with the N770 cable and it doesnt charge at all. It doesnt loose power but it doesnt increase it

Re: [maemo-users] FM Radio -- dependencies?

2007-02-12 Thread Igor Stoppa
On Sat, 2007-02-10 at 15:05 -0800, ext Rick Prelinger wrote: My fmradio installation fails because of a missing package: libosso-help0(=2.08). From what I can tell, I believe I have the proper repositories installed. Is this an obvious problem? Many thanks, and all best, Rick Are

Re: [maemo-users] Random reboots

2007-02-12 Thread Rainer Dorsch
Sergey, I am not an expert in this area, but http://maemo.org/maemowiki/ReportingRebootIssues might help. Thanks, Rainer Am Montag, 12. Februar 2007 09:20 schrieb Sergey Udaltsov: Rainer Thanks for the info, I see in that file: $ cat /proc/bootreason sw_rst It does not tell much,

Re: [maemo-users] Random reboots

2007-02-12 Thread Rainer Dorsch
Am Montag, 12. Februar 2007 10:06 schrieb Michele: Rainer Dorsch ha scritto: Sergey, on the N770 cat /proc/bootreason was useful. Thanks, Rainer Thx, nice, same on N800 BTW, is there anywhere a list of the reason in a human-readable way? Mine rebooted 10 minutes ago 'wd32

Re: [maemo-users] Problems with maemo and apt-get

2007-02-12 Thread Steve Kreyer
Hi Andreas, sorry I have overseen your answer, but that was the problem, yes. Imho that should be pointet out in the INSTALL.txt... Thank you and have a nice day, Steve Andreas Oberritter wrote: Steve Kreyer schrieb: Err http://repository.maemo.org bora/free Packages Could not

Re: [maemo-users] Python2.5 not available for ITOS 3.2006.49-2 ?

2007-02-12 Thread Luciano M. Wolf
Hi Antonio, Python2.5 is available for ITOS 3.2006.49-2. As described on pymaemo[1] page, you have to check if repository.maemo.org is included in sources list of Application Manager. This latest image does not include this line. You need to add it and the python2.5 repository as well. Regards,

[maemo-users] Re: Two power management settings

2007-02-12 Thread Neil MacLeod
Larry Battraw wrote: Any battery/cell [1] can be overcharged, particularly Lithiums as they cannot tolerate overcharge without potentially dire consequences. I thought Lithium cells came with protection circuits to prevent over charging? ___

Re: [maemo-users] Bad Freedom Input keyboard or poor kbdd driver on N800?

2007-02-12 Thread centipede
On 10/02/07, centipede [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I almost has to punch down the keys and hold them for a short while. The keys seem to soften up a bit, when used. But still a lot of keypresses are missed. I've watched the output of kbdd in the shell, and it seems like the driver skips more

Re: [maemo-users] Bad Freedom Input keyboard or poor kbdd driver on N800?

2007-02-12 Thread Frantisek Dufka
centipede wrote: Funny you mention the bluetooth stack. By now I have disemboweled the kbdd driver, which after all just opens a serial connection to /dev/rfcommN. Yes, there is no bluetooth magic in kbdd. And rfcomm must be reliable In case of problems it should close connection completely,

Re: [maemo-users] Random reboots

2007-02-12 Thread Sergey Udaltsov
Rainer, http://maemo.org/maemowiki/ReportingRebootIssues Thanks for the link. The bootreason did not provide much info. Neither does /var/lib/dsme/stats/lifeguard_resets: Nokia-N800-51:/var/lib/dsme/stats# cat lifeguard_resets /usr/bin/maemo_af_desktop : 13 /usr/bin/Xomap -mouse tslib

Re: [maemo-users] Python2.5 not available for ITOS 3.2006.49-2 ?

2007-02-12 Thread Antonio Orlando
I already added the line but the problem was that: no package to install displayed. In order to be sure, I've deselected all the repositories in the Application catalogue apart from the compulsory one at tableteer, then I've included the repository.maemo.org alone in order to see what

Re: [maemo-users] Python2.5 not available for ITOS 3.2006.49-2 ?

2007-02-12 Thread Daniel Martín Yerga
On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 15:45:15 +0100 Antonio Orlando [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I already added the line but the problem was that: no package to install displayed. In order to be sure, I've deselected all the repositories in the Application catalogue apart from the compulsory one at

[maemo-users] Note to Nokia Maemo team... we need (ok, would really like) this

2007-02-12 Thread Jonathan Greene
http://www.nokia.com/A4136001?newsid=1104222 The N800 is a fantastic N-Series device and we need to be able to handle things like YouTube easily. Thanks! -- Jonathan Greene m 917.560.3000 AIM / iChat - atmasphere gtalk / jabber - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gizmo - JonathanGreene blog -

Re: [maemo-users] Random reboots

2007-02-12 Thread Eero Tamminen
Hi, ext Sergey Udaltsov wrote: http://maemo.org/maemowiki/ReportingRebootIssues Thanks for the link. The bootreason did not provide much info. Neither does /var/lib/dsme/stats/lifeguard_resets: Nokia-N800-51:/var/lib/dsme/stats# cat lifeguard_resets /usr/bin/maemo_af_desktop : 13

Re: [maemo-users] Internal Error. Application closed.

2007-02-12 Thread Eero Tamminen
Hi, ext Dr. Nicholas Shaw wrote: Usually the only applications I have open continually are gpe-todo and gpe-contacts. When on the road, I open e-mail and after a few minutes of opening/deleting e-mail - internal error, application is closing (or words to that effect). I'm able to open e-mail

Re: [maemo-users] Random reboots

2007-02-12 Thread Sergey Udaltsov
Thanks Eero, /usr/sbin/dsp_dld -p --disable-restart -c /lib/dsp/dsp_dld_avs.conf : 1 * It lists the lifeguarded commands that have terminated/crashed (since the device was flashed) and therefore caused device reboot. I think '*' marks that the command had been restarted too many times in a

RE: [maemo-users] FM Radio -- dependencies?

2007-02-12 Thread Jakub.Pavelek
On Sat, 2007-02-10 at 15:05 -0800, ext Rick Prelinger wrote: My fmradio installation fails because of a missing package: libosso-help0(=2.08). From what I can tell, I believe I have the proper repositories installed. Is this an obvious problem? Many thanks, and all best, Rick Are you

RE: [maemo-users] Note to Nokia Maemo team... we need (ok, would really like) this

2007-02-12 Thread Jakub.Pavelek
http://www.nokia.com/A4136001?newsid=1104222 The N800 is a fantastic N-Series device and we need to be able to handle things like YouTube easily. Thanks! Not sure about that easily in your post, I bet people are actually sweating over every fraction of FPS improvement ;) --jakub

Re: [maemo-users] Random reboots

2007-02-12 Thread Andrew Flegg
On 2/12/07, Sergey Udaltsov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: /usr/sbin/dsp_dld -p --disable-restart -c /lib/dsp/dsp_dld_avs.conf : 1 * [snip] It loolks like a bit odd solution - reboot the device if one command restarts too many times. It is linux after all;) It makes sense from a consumer

Re: [maemo-users] Note to Nokia Maemo team... we need (ok, would really like) this

2007-02-12 Thread Jon Smirl
On 2/12/07, Jonathan Greene [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/12/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.nokia.com/A4136001?newsid=1104222 The N800 is a fantastic N-Series device and we need to be able to handle things like YouTube easily. Thanks! Not sure about that

Re: [maemo-users] Note to Nokia Maemo team... we need (ok, would really like) this

2007-02-12 Thread Damien Challet
The solution to doing real-time video format conversion probably lies in the 3D hardware that doesn't drivers/doc for it yet. May I remind you that mplayer on the 770 is perfectly able to play flv movies from youtube without conversion? It should a minimo also be doable on a 800.

Re: [maemo-users] Random reboots

2007-02-12 Thread Sergey Udaltsov
Andrew, It makes sense from a consumer point of view: if something's repeatedly dying in user space which is critical to the end-user experience, reboot. But if the situation is SO bad - what are the chances that reboot would help? Not too high, I'm afraid... Personally, I'd prefer a

Re: [maemo-users] Python2.5 not available for ITOS 3.2006.49-2 ?

2007-02-12 Thread Antonio Orlando
Oh, it works, thanks! Maybe it was moved, the installation docs on the pymaemo site urge this change. Now I've successfully installed the Python2.5-runtime from the Application manager and the 2.5 development packages from terminal, but where's the python2.5 binary or symbolic link? Just

[maemo-users] Re: Note to Nokia Maemo team... we need (ok, would really like) this

2007-02-12 Thread Neil MacLeod
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not sure about that easily in your post, I bet people are actually sweating over every fraction of FPS improvement ;) --jakub I hope so. Today I tried to read an article on www.theregister.co.uk and this site is unfortunately floating a Flash-based advert over the

Re: [maemo-users] Re: Note to Nokia Maemo team... we need (ok, would really like) this

2007-02-12 Thread Jon Smirl
On 2/12/07, Neil MacLeod [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not sure about that easily in your post, I bet people are actually sweating over every fraction of FPS improvement ;) --jakub I hope so. Today I tried to read an article on www.theregister.co.uk and this site is

[maemo-users] Re: Note to Nokia Maemo team... we need (ok, would really like) this

2007-02-12 Thread Neil MacLeod
Jon Smirl wrote: On 2/12/07, Neil MacLeod [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not sure about that easily in your post, I bet people are actually sweating over every fraction of FPS improvement ;) --jakub I hope so. Today I tried to read an article on www.theregister.co.uk

Re: [maemo-users] Re: Note to Nokia Maemo team... we need (ok, would really like) this

2007-02-12 Thread Jonathan Greene
On 2/12/07, Neil MacLeod [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jon Smirl wrote: On 2/12/07, Neil MacLeod [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not sure about that easily in your post, I bet people are actually sweating over every fraction of FPS improvement ;) --jakub I hope so. Today

[maemo-users] help - attempted N770 python upgrade -- system keeps rebooting

2007-02-12 Thread Jeff G
I probably did something really stupid, but don't know how to recover. This was all done from an ssh window to the device. I wanted to upgrade to python 2.5, and did an apt-get install of python 2.5, but then, when trying to run a simple app, I got - File nw.py, line 2, in

[maemo-users] Bricked a third time

2007-02-12 Thread Richard Pickler
I seem to have a knack for killing my n800 without really doing much to it. The first time, I charged the thing over night. When I checked it in the morning, it was constantly rebooting. The second time, I was installing some packages I built myself, and it crashed, which I could not recover

Re: [maemo-users] suggestion for next Nokia tablet

2007-02-12 Thread Frantisek Dufka
Ted Zlatanov wrote: scrolling should be purely a mouse button 4/5 operation, not move to the next link OR the next page, UNLESS I hold the button down, which is why I don't use the D pad for scrolling. It's just too hard to go to the next page, which is a very common operation. In that case

[maemo-users] Re: suggestion for next Nokia tablet

2007-02-12 Thread Neil MacLeod
Ted Zlatanov wrote: The N800 successor should have a scroll wheel on the side. It would make 90% of my daily stylus use (while browsing the web and reading RSS feeds) unnecessary. Unlike the D pad, scrolling should be purely a mouse button 4/5 operation, not move to the next link OR the next

Re: [maemo-users] Bricked a third time

2007-02-12 Thread Jeff G
I think I somehow trashed my 770. how do you easily recover -like restore original config? On 2/12/07, Richard Pickler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I seem to have a knack for killing my n800 without really doing much to it. The first time, I charged the thing over night. When I checked it in the

Re: [maemo-users] help - attempted N770 python upgrade -- system keeps rebooting

2007-02-12 Thread Luciano M. Wolf
Hi Jeff, I think the best thing to do is to flash again your device. Then install python2.5-runtime package, that will install all modules necessary to run python2.5 properly. Just pay attention to include the correct repositories (repository.maemo.org/extras and repository.maemo.org). Regards,

[maemo-users] Re: Bricked a third time

2007-02-12 Thread Neil MacLeod
Richard Pickler wrote: The second time, I was installing some packages I built myself, and it crashed, which I could not recover from. (this one I'll take the blame for). Why should you take the blame? This is a consumer oriented device and software installation is promoted as a user feature

RE: [maemo-users] Internal Error. Application closed.

2007-02-12 Thread Dr. Nicholas Shaw
No. Nick Shaw -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eero Tamminen Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 10:16 AM To: ext Dr. Nicholas Shaw Cc: 'maemo users' Subject: Re: [maemo-users] Internal Error. Application closed. Hi, ext Dr. Nicholas Shaw

Re: [maemo-users] Bricked a third time

2007-02-12 Thread Paul Klapperich
I've had the battery drain brick twice I think and both times after I restored I noticed the battery was dead and thought geez, I wonder if I could have just left it plugged in for a while? I've also bricked it using apt-get upgrade Apparently this is not the wise method for obtaining updates.

Re: [maemo-users] help - attempted N770 python upgrade -- system keeps rebooting

2007-02-12 Thread Marius Gedminas
On Mon, Feb 12, 2007 at 02:50:04PM -0500, Jeff G wrote: I probably did something really stupid, but don't know how to recover. What you did is not stupid, but it is a common mistake: sudo apt-get upgrade that tried to upgrade an important system package (maemo-launcher).

Re: [maemo-users] Re: Bricked a third time

2007-02-12 Thread Richard Pickler
Richard Pickler wrote: The second time, I was installing some packages I built myself, and it crashed, which I could not recover from. (this one I'll take the blame for). Why should you take the blame? This is a consumer oriented device and software installation is promoted as a user feature

Re: [maemo-users] Bricked a third time

2007-02-12 Thread Richard Pickler
Backups. When I brick the thing, I flash it, and when it boots up, it notices there's a backup available. It will then load all your settings and I'm off and running again. I don't keep any important data on the device, which is why vpn is my current project right now. That way I can get to

Re: [maemo-users] Re: suggestion for next Nokia tablet

2007-02-12 Thread Ted Zlatanov
On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 20:08:51 + Neil MacLeod [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: NM Positioning the wheel on the top left or top right shoulders of NM the device would work for me (as I'm right handed) but this would NM not work at all for a left-handed person who has to rotate the NM screen 180 degrees

Re: [maemo-users] suggestion for next Nokia tablet

2007-02-12 Thread Brian Waite
I have found that on the N800 at least, you can scroll by holding the D pad up or down. This little gem has made my browsing totally different. Try it and see. It takes about 1/2 second before scrolling but it works well. Thanks Brian On Monday 12 February 2007 15:02, Frantisek Dufka wrote:

Re: [maemo-users] suggestion for next Nokia tablet

2007-02-12 Thread Ted Zlatanov
On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 21:02:43 +0100 Frantisek Dufka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FD Ted Zlatanov wrote: scrolling should be purely a mouse button 4/5 operation, not move to the next link OR the next page, UNLESS I hold the button down, which is why I don't use the D pad for scrolling. It's just

Re: [maemo-users] Re: suggestion for next Nokia tablet

2007-02-12 Thread Acadia Secure Networks
Ted, I too like the idea of a keyboard. I have a UTStarcom 6700 and the keyboard is of the slide out variety which works very well. Here is the url to a www page at the UTStarcom www site that shows an image of the unit with the keyboard slid out:

Re: [maemo-users] help - attempted N770 python upgrade -- system keeps rebooting

2007-02-12 Thread Jeff G
On 2/12/07, Marius Gedminas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Feb 12, 2007 at 02:50:04PM -0500, Jeff G wrote: I probably did something really stupid, but don't know how to recover. What you did is not stupid, but it is a common mistake: sudo apt-get upgrade that tried to upgrade an important

Re: [maemo-users] Re: suggestion for next Nokia tablet

2007-02-12 Thread Jonathan Greene
On 2/12/07, Ted Zlatanov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (someone on the #maemo channel mentioned the E90 has the same processor and memory as the N800... hmmm...) The E90 will also run about $1000 without carrier subsidy when it's released in Q3... yikes. Those hinges and double-screen (not too

Re: [maemo-users] Re: suggestion for next Nokia tablet

2007-02-12 Thread Mike Klein
As a lefty I must say this initially was a bit of a peeve But in reality you don't need precision to point a stylus and/or tap keystrokesso I've switched rather than FIGHT. Works well enough...although switching hands takes some getting used to. mike (flashing back to green scissors in

Re: [maemo-users] help - attempted N770 python upgrade -- system keeps rebooting

2007-02-12 Thread Frantisek Dufka
Jeff G wrote: 2. make sure to backup ! (I always KNEW it but didn't DO it) Best backup is dual boot from mmc. IMHO this is a must before doing any experiments with the device. Install new firmware, do the basic setup and then clone system to mmc before experimenting.

Re: [maemo-users] Re: suggestion for next Nokia tablet

2007-02-12 Thread Jae Stutzman
I'm also a lefty...but enjoy every opportunity to use my right hand as well. It makes us smarter! All suing will do is make Nokia delay the launch of the N990 in the US, and that will make both righties and lefties unhappy! Jae ___ maemo-users mailing

Re: [maemo-users] suggestion for next Nokia tablet

2007-02-12 Thread Marius Gedminas
On Mon, Feb 12, 2007 at 09:02:43PM +0100, Frantisek Dufka wrote: Ted Zlatanov wrote: scrolling should be purely a mouse button 4/5 operation, not move to the next link OR the next page, UNLESS I hold the button down, which is why I don't use the D pad for scrolling. It's just too hard to go

Re: [maemo-users] help - attempted N770 python upgrade -- system keeps rebooting

2007-02-12 Thread Acadia Secure Networks
Frantisek, has this procedure been verified to work on the N800 as well? If so then the text header in the Wiki entry should probably be corrected to include the N800 as well. Best Regards, John Holmblad Acadia Secure Networks GSEC Gold, GCWN Gold, GGSC-0100, NSA-IAM, NSA-IEM serving

Re: [maemo-users] Re: suggestion for next Nokia tablet

2007-02-12 Thread Frantisek Dufka
Jae Stutzman wrote: I'm also a lefty...but enjoy every opportunity to use my right hand as well. It makes us smarter! Yes, that's the positive attitude. But it is hard to keep that attitude when trying to type on virtual keyboard with stylus in right hand :-) All suing will do is make

Re: [maemo-users] Re: suggestion for next Nokia tablet

2007-02-12 Thread Erik Hovland
On Mon, Feb 12, 2007 at 01:12:50PM -0800, Mike Klein wrote: As a lefty I must say this initially was a bit of a peeve But in reality you don't need precision to point a stylus and/or tap keystrokesso I've switched rather than FIGHT. Works well enough...although switching hands

Re: [maemo-users] Re: Bricked a third time

2007-02-12 Thread Levi Bard
There's a lack of a safe middle ground. Something like the Maemo Extras repository, where the packages (uploaded by the Maemo community) have been tested extensively (again, by the community). Something like the Debian unstable/testing/stable split. Isn't this already Maemo Extras? (I see

Re: [maemo-users] help - attempted N770 python upgrade -- system keeps rebooting

2007-02-12 Thread Frantisek Dufka
Acadia Secure Networks wrote: Frantisek, has this procedure been verified to work on the N800 as well? Not by me but some people reported success. There is only some problem with keys not working in menu sometimes. Workaround is to not to touch keys early on boot. If so then the text

Re: [maemo-users] Re: Bricked a third time

2007-02-12 Thread Paul Klapperich
On 2/12/07, Levi Bard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's a lack of a safe middle ground. Something like the Maemo Extras repository, where the packages (uploaded by the Maemo community) have been tested extensively (again, by the community). Something like the Debian unstable/testing/stable

Re: [maemo-users] Re: suggestion for next Nokia tablet

2007-02-12 Thread Mike Lococo
Or let them figure out that buttons on both sides (with key customization in control panel) are useful for all. And that will make both righties and lefties very happy! Continued expansion of the form factor makes me very unhappy. I wish they'd have left the stereo speakers off the N800 and

Re: [maemo-users] Crashes

2007-02-12 Thread James Sparenberg
On Saturday 10 February 2007 06:54:33 Dr. Nicholas Shaw wrote: As I noted in an earlier post, occasionally some programs will fail and they are terminated. On occasion, however, some programs display very Windows-like behavior, e.g. the only way to use the system is to remove the battery and

Re: [maemo-users] Random reboots

2007-02-12 Thread James Sparenberg
On Monday 12 February 2007 09:51:17 Andrew Flegg wrote: On 2/12/07, Sergey Udaltsov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: /usr/sbin/dsp_dld -p --disable-restart -c /lib/dsp/dsp_dld_avs.conf : 1 * [snip] It loolks like a bit odd solution - reboot the device if one command restarts too many

Re: [maemo-users] Bricked a third time

2007-02-12 Thread James Sparenberg
On Monday 12 February 2007 12:30:47 Richard Pickler wrote: Backups. When I brick the thing, I flash it, and when it boots up, it notices there's a backup available. It will then load all your settings and I'm off and running again. I don't keep any important data on the device, which is why

Re: [maemo-users] suggestion for next Nokia tablet

2007-02-12 Thread Paul Klapperich
On 2/12/07, James Sparenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A friend of mine pointed out something today on this. Nokia probably would have to license the use of a scroll wheel from the blackberry folks. They may not be able to do it. Handspring Visors used to have scrollwheels way back before

Re: [maemo-users] Bricked a third time

2007-02-12 Thread Richard Pickler
I don't keep any important data on the device, which is why vpn is my current project right now. That way I can get to my storage at home from anywhere. Which VPN? I am forced to use PPTP here. (Nokia 770) OpenVPN on DD-WRT on a buffalo WHR-HP-G54. It does not work yet. Hence why it

Re: [maemo-users] suggestion for next Nokia tablet

2007-02-12 Thread Larry Battraw
On 2/12/07, Paul Klapperich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Handspring Visors used to have scrollwheels way back before Palm bought them back up. That was at or before Blackberrys were gaining traction. Handera Palm OS products had them, too, I think. --Paul I believe you're thinking of the Sony

Re: [maemo-users] Re: Two power management settings

2007-02-12 Thread Larry Battraw
On 2/12/07, Neil MacLeod [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Larry Battraw wrote: Any battery/cell [1] can be overcharged, particularly Lithiums as they cannot tolerate overcharge without potentially dire consequences. I thought Lithium cells came with protection circuits to prevent over charging?

RE: [maemo-users] Crashes

2007-02-12 Thread Dr. Nicholas Shaw
Hmmm... I have a Linux server here I use for development - didn't think of trying to connect into the N800 using SSH. I'm going to have to give that a try. Thanks! Nick Shaw -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Sparenberg Sent:

[maemo-users] gpesyncd

2007-02-12 Thread Jon A. Solworth
I'm trying to set up synchronization on my N800. Apparently, there is a problem with the library (currently installed version is libgpevtype.so.1.0.0). But libgpevtype0 says that gpesyncd 0.1-20061130svn depends upon it, yet when I execute gpesyncd: $ gpesyncd gpesyncd: error while

Re: [maemo-users] Re: suggestion for next Nokia tablet

2007-02-12 Thread Frantisek Dufka
James Sparenberg wrote: The one thing I find interesting is that lefties have so much trouble. I find the buttons on the left unusable as I have to put the 'pointer' in my mouth grab with right hand, partially release the left hand grip to move thumb to buttons. But then again I may just be

Re: [maemo-users] Re: suggestion for next Nokia tablet

2007-02-12 Thread Henri Bergius
On 2/12/07, Mike Lococo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Continued expansion of the form factor makes me very unhappy. I wish they'd have left the stereo speakers off the N800 and tightened up the form factor, and redundant buttons would make me very sad. I might be the only one, but I'm actually