Re: the hell of Maemo repos

2008-11-24 Thread Eero Tamminen
Hi, ext Mark Haury wrote: As for reflashing, Chinook is still better than Diablo as far as stability and certain apps working properly. I've had my tablet long enough that it came with Bora, and there were compelling reasons to upgrade to Chinook. The final Chinook upgrade was a nightmare

Re: the hell of Maemo repos

2008-11-23 Thread sebastian maemo
Hi Ryan: Could you be so extremely kind as to tell me why I cannot edit wiki pages any more? By the way, my user login is 'sebas'... (just in case you need it). Salut, Sebas. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org

Re: the hell of Maemo repos

2008-11-23 Thread Ryan Abel
On Nov 23, 2008, at 7:54 AM, sebastian maemo wrote: Hi Ryan: Could you be so extremely kind as to tell me why I cannot edit wiki pages any more? By the way, my user login is 'sebas'... (just in case you need it). It's probably this bug: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3788

Re: the hell of Maemo repos

2008-11-23 Thread sebastian maemo
2008/11/23 Ryan Abel [EMAIL PROTECTED] It's probably this bug: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3788 Editing anonymously over https shouldn't present a problem. . . . Ok, thank you... I still cannot edit by my username, but after adding 's' to 'http' I am at least allowed to edit the

Re: the hell of Maemo repos

2008-11-23 Thread Tim Teulings
Hallo! ...and the Psion Series 5 and up, and the Agenda VR3, and probably many other cases... As an owner of an Agenda VR I can assure you that that thing and my N810 together with the community, Nokia, documentation, web presence, build environement and every other aspect I can thing of are

Re: the hell of Maemo repos

2008-11-22 Thread Niels Breet
[Top posting to waste as little time as possible on this useless topic.] I have sent the owner of the repository this mail: Hi, We're currently working on getting the number of external repositories down to a minimum. Our goal

Re: the hell of Maemo repos

2008-11-22 Thread Mark Haury
On 11/21/08, Dmitry S. Makovey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mark Haury wrote: Everybody who owns one of these tablets is not a developer. according to original poster he was after Kismet. That is not a toy your average user would install. He did know what he was asking for. He did know about

Re: the hell of Maemo repos

2008-11-22 Thread sebastian maemo
2008/11/22 Dmitry S. Makovey [EMAIL PROTECTED] first of all: why do you reflash your 770? Ever since I've got my 800 I have reflashed it exactly once - to get Diablo. Is there some specific requirement of 770 to reflash it so often? Is that because of the fact that pre-diablo systems can't be

Re: the hell of Maemo repos

2008-11-22 Thread sebastian maemo
2008/11/22 Dmitry S. Makovey [EMAIL PROTECTED] according to original poster he was after Kismet. That is not a toy your average user would install. He did know what he was asking for. He did know about etiquette on ML and he should've checked the facts before accusing people. Mark, you didn't

Re: the hell of Maemo repos

2008-11-22 Thread Daniel Martin Yerga
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 19:55:28 +0100 sebastian maemo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If it really exists a folder named extras-devel in http://repository.maemo.org/ it should be explained in the main website where you can find a detailed description of all

Re: the hell of Maemo repos

2008-11-22 Thread sebastian maemo
2008/11/22 Niels Breet [EMAIL PROTECTED] We're currently working on getting the number of external repositories down to a minimum. Our goal is to have a lot less repositories on gronmayer as soon as possible. This will hopefully improve user experience. Gronmayer is a great site... after

Re: the hell of Maemo repos

2008-11-22 Thread Daniel Martin Yerga
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 19:47:47 +0100 sebastian maemo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Before Nokia tried to consolidate any repo my problem didn't exist... My problem came with Nokia's decision... So though they're indirectly responsible for that... (from my

Re: the hell of Maemo repos

2008-11-22 Thread sebastian maemo
2008/11/22 Daniel Martin Yerga [EMAIL PROTECTED] If it really exists a folder named extras-devel in http://repository.maemo.org/ it should be explained in the main website where you can find a detailed description of all folders in the site... Do you understand what I mean when I say

Re: the hell of Maemo repos

2008-11-22 Thread sebastian maemo
2008/11/22 Daniel Martin Yerga [EMAIL PROTECTED] I didn't see anyone complaint when it was proposed, you should have explained your reasons when it happened. Why should I complain?... I think it's a great idea... when it's done with care of course... you cannot disable a repository until you

Re: the hell of Maemo repos

2008-11-22 Thread Daniel Martin Yerga
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 20:19:32 +0100 sebastian maemo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Daniel... the apps you've developed are so useful that I won't take into consideration your yelling at me... Well, thanks. I won't take your last thread as

Re: the hell of Maemo repos

2008-11-22 Thread Dmitry S. Makovey
sebastian maemo wrote: Why should I complain?... I think it's a great idea... when it's done with care of course... you cannot disable a repository until you confirm that all packages are correctly transferred... But it's so logical thing that I really don't understand what all you are talking

Re: the hell of Maemo repos

2008-11-22 Thread Ryan Abel
On Nov 22, 2008, at 3:35 PM, Dmitry S. Makovey wrote: sebastian maemo wrote: Why should I complain?... I think it's a great idea... when it's done with care of course... you cannot disable a repository until you confirm that all packages are correctly transferred... But it's so logical

Re: the hell of Maemo repos

2008-11-22 Thread sebastian maemo
Ok, thanks to all of you for so much feedback... this means people is involved anyway... I think it's time to flash back and try to be constructive... As I've admitted before, the original rant of the first mail in the thread is because of the obvious disappointment after so many months having

Re: the hell of Maemo repos

2008-11-22 Thread sebastian maemo
2008/11/23 sebastian maemo [EMAIL PROTECTED] And now, I'll check the new wikihttp://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_cardabout booting from MMC and modify it in case it doesn't work to me... I'd like to... but something doesn't work with wiki.maemo.org ... who's to blame? ;-) Salut,

Re: the hell of Maemo repos

2008-11-22 Thread Faheem Pervez
Works for me, but they did mess up with the squid running on the wiki so in Firefox, just press Ctrl-Shift-R when you get a blank page. On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 6:23 AM, sebastian maemo [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: 2008/11/23 sebastian maemo [EMAIL PROTECTED] And now, I'll check the new

Re: the hell of Maemo repos

2008-11-22 Thread sebastian maemo
2008/11/23 Faheem Pervez [EMAIL PROTECTED] Works for me, but they did mess up with the squid running on the wiki so in Firefox, just press Ctrl-Shift-R when you get a blank page. Nope... it doesn't work for me... I can login OK but when I follow the link to the page I want to edit I'm not

the hell of Maemo repos

2008-11-21 Thread sebastian maemo
What the Hell is going on with Maemo repositories? Today I've been trying to install kismet package, and after trying to download it from eko.one.pl I found the following warning message:http://eko.one.pl/maemo/

Re: the hell of Maemo repos

2008-11-21 Thread Mark
In their defense (shocking coming from me, I know...), it's exactly this kind of nightmare they're trying to prevent. By making people use the official repositories instead of putting things in their personal servers all over the Internet, it will make things easier to find and hopefully more

Re: the hell of Maemo repos

2008-11-21 Thread Dave Neary
Hi, sebastian maemo wrote: Come on, Quim... what good excuse are you going to tell us now...? First, there is no excuse for this personal attack. PD: Sorry very much if you find this message unpolite, but I'm really fed up with this kind of situations... Apologising after being impolite

Re: the hell of Maemo repos

2008-11-21 Thread sebastian maemo
2008/11/21 Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] In their defense (shocking coming from me, I know...), it's exactly this kind of nightmare they're trying to prevent. By making people use the official repositories instead of putting things in their personal servers all over the Internet, it will make things

Re: the hell of Maemo repos

2008-11-21 Thread sebastian maemo
2008/11/21 Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] First, there is no excuse for this personal attack. Personal attack?... Excuse me, Dave, but personal attack is what you are doing to me! So be careful with what you say, please. I'm just an unsatisfied customer, and Quim is Marketing Manager at Nokia.

Re: the hell of Maemo repos

2008-11-21 Thread sebastian maemo
2008/11/21 Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] I get what you're saying, but remember that Nokia is in this for the money, not for others' benefit or because it's the right thing to do. That means planned obsolescence is in effect, as well as control (in other words, *not* true FOSS) and other things...

Re: the hell of Maemo repos

2008-11-21 Thread Mark
On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 11:53 AM, Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, sebastian maemo wrote: Come on, Quim... what good excuse are you going to tell us now...? First, there is no excuse for this personal attack. ...so two wrongs make a right?... PD: Sorry very much if you find this

Aw: Re: the hell of Maemo repos

2008-11-21 Thread Tim Teulings
Hallo! As one of the people that had shutdown his own repository as response to mentioned request to consolidate I can assure that such request was very polite, I was never forced and every help was promised (which I did not need) and no timeline was given. We never talked about the actual

Re: the hell of Maemo repos

2008-11-21 Thread Andre Klapper
Am Freitag, den 21.11.2008, 20:10 +0100 schrieb sebastian maemo: 2008/11/21 Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] First, there is no excuse for this personal attack. Personal attack?... Excuse me, Dave, but personal attack is what you are doing to me! So be careful with what you say, please.

Re: Re: the hell of Maemo repos

2008-11-21 Thread sebastian maemo
2008/11/21 Tim Teulings [EMAIL PROTECTED] Note that Nokia regarding this aspect is not Apple. Please calm down and let the facts speak. Ok, Tim. I *really* love your contribution to the Maemo community, and anderenen repository was one of my *must*... So I really appreciate your point of

Re: Re: the hell of Maemo repos

2008-11-21 Thread Mark
On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 12:38 PM, Tim Teulings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hallo! As one of the people that had shutdown his own repository as response to mentioned request to consolidate I can assure that such request was very polite, I was never forced and every help was promised (which I

Re: Re: the hell of Maemo repos

2008-11-21 Thread sebastian maemo
2008/11/21 Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nokia apparently thinks they can just throw their devices out into the wild and their responsibility ends there. ;-) That's exactly how I feel about it... Salut, Sebas. ___ maemo-users mailing list

Aw: Re: Re: the hell of Maemo repos

2008-11-21 Thread Tim Teulings
Hello! ...Which is clearly a bad idea. The details obviously *should* be worked out and a timeline chosen so that the switchover can happen smoothly. It can be cooperative rather than dictatorial, but that's irrelevant to the end-user. But Nokia did not force me to immediately shutdown the

Re: Re: Re: the hell of Maemo repos

2008-11-21 Thread sebastian maemo
2008/11/21 Tim Teulings [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you want kismet do your port and put it into extras yourself. There was not includes kismet on your product package I'm sure of. Hi Tim, I think you're going the wrong way... Salut, Sebas. PD: Should Nokia place an advertising in their Tablets'

Re: Aw: Re: the hell of Maemo repos

2008-11-21 Thread lakestevensdental
A couple comments on this subject. First, it doesn't do anyone any good to attack the messengers or worker bees regardless of what their involvement with the tablets is. Stuff happens, stuff gets noticed and brought to attention, stuff gets corrected. No one is intentionally screwing things

Re: Aw: Re: the hell of Maemo repos

2008-11-21 Thread Mark
On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 2:51 PM, lakestevensdental [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Consolidation -- It's fine with endusers like me if repositories are consolidated. Perhaps it would help if Nokia offered some sort of incentive, like low priced/free units and alpha/beta testing for developers using

Re: the hell of Maemo repos

2008-11-21 Thread Peter Flynn
Mark wrote: The bottom line is that there are some serious problems in the way that Nokia has and continues to approach the ITs and support for them. Until they not only acknowledge that but address it realistically, they are going to have to deal with the occasional attack. Get used to it!

Re: Aw: Re: the hell of Maemo repos

2008-11-21 Thread Peter Flynn
Mark wrote: I also have to point out that the maemo site is always incredibly slow, which can't possibly help any of these situations. It doesn't matter whether I'm on my home desktop, my N800 on WiFi, or a school machine on a very fast network, it always takes forever for pages on the

Re: the hell of Maemo repos

2008-11-21 Thread Ryan Abel
Wow, I'm impressed at how much FUD-spewing sans-facts is going on in this thread. Bravo. So, let me set a few things straight: First, there is ABSOLUTELY no conspiracy involved. Eko1 was not singled out because it contained a pen-testing tool, in fact, it wasn't singled out at all. Niels

Re: Aw: Re: the hell of Maemo repos

2008-11-21 Thread lakestevensdental
Mark wrote: I also have to point out that the maemo site is always incredibly slow, which can't possibly help any of these situations. It doesn't matter whether I'm on my home desktop, my N800 on WiFi, or a school machine on a very fast network, it always takes forever for pages on the maemo

Re: App-Manager failure (was: Re: Aw: Re: the hell of Maemo repos

2008-11-21 Thread Ryan Abel
On Nov 21, 2008, at 5:51 PM, Peter Flynn wrote: lakestevensdental wrote: As it is, App Manager seems a rather crude work in progress that displays the crudest information during the updating process -- it doesn't even say what repository catalog is being updated during the update process.

Re: the hell of Maemo repos

2008-11-21 Thread Mark
On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 3:40 PM, Peter Flynn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mark wrote: The bottom line is that there are some serious problems in the way that Nokia has and continues to approach the ITs and support for them. Until they not only acknowledge that but address it realistically, they

Re: Aw: Re: the hell of Maemo repos

2008-11-21 Thread Ryan Abel
On Nov 21, 2008, at 5:59 PM, lakestevensdental wrote: Mark wrote: I also have to point out that the maemo site is always incredibly slow, which can't possibly help any of these situations. It doesn't matter whether I'm on my home desktop, my N800 on WiFi, or a school machine on a very fast

Fwd: the hell of Maemo repos

2008-11-21 Thread Mark
On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 3:56 PM, Ryan Abel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Clearly transitions like these can cause some short-term instability that makes things harder for specific individuals, but the overall effect for the community, and the long-term effect for everybody is an environment with

Re: the hell of Maemo repos

2008-11-21 Thread Dmitry S. Makovey
Mark Haury wrote: Everybody who owns one of these tablets is not a developer. according to original poster he was after Kismet. That is not a toy your average user would install. He did know what he was asking for. He did know about etiquette on ML and he should've checked the facts before

Re: the hell of Maemo repos

2008-11-21 Thread Dmitry S. Makovey
sebastian maemo wrote: Yes, I was a bit stressed maybe because every semester I have the same problem when I happen to reflash my Nokia 770 and am unable to find the fucking packages I need for my fucking unusable tablet... Sorry about that and my stressed unpolite fucking language...