Le 2010-10-13 01:14, Tux99 a écrit :
On Wed, 13 Oct 2010, [UTF-8] Marc Paré wrote:
Le 2010-10-12 22:04, Tux99 a écrit :
According to your logic that would mean we can't include ssh, openssl, pgp,
and even https support in any browser.
Does that seems reasonable to you?
You need to face it,
On Wed, 13 Oct 2010, [UTF-8] Marc Paré wrote:
> Le 2010-10-12 22:04, Tux99 a écrit :
> >
> > According to your logic that would mean we can't include ssh, openssl, pgp,
> > and even https support in any browser.
> > Does that seems reasonable to you?
> >
> > You need to face it, it would be impo
Le 2010-10-12 22:04, Tux99 a écrit :
Marc, just as a further point to reflect on:
there are countries in the world were encryption is illegal or severely
restricted.
According to your logic that would mean we can't include ssh, openssl, pgp,
and even https support in any browser.
Does that see
Marc, just as a further point to reflect on:
there are countries in the world were encryption is illegal or severely
restricted.
According to your logic that would mean we can't include ssh, openssl, pgp,
and even https support in any browser.
Does that seems reasonable to you?
You need to face
On Tue, 12 Oct 2010, [UTF-8] Marc Paré wrote:
> http://www.riaa.com/faq.php
> http://newteevee.com/2010/05/21/mpeg-la-threatens-googles-vp8-with-patent-pool-license/
> http://thresq.hollywoodreporter.com/2010/03/new-litigation-campaign-targets-tens-of-thousands-of-bittorrent-users.html
> http://w
On Tue, 12 Oct 2010 00:50:04 +0200
Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
> 2010/10/12 Balcaen John
> :
> > Le lundi 11 octobre 2010 14:02:16, Wolfgang Bornath a écrit :
> > [...]
> > You can always release a new install cd every 6/8/12 months even if you're
> > using a « rolling distro » .
>
Hi everybody.
Le 2010-10-12 17:45, Tux99 a écrit :
Quote: marc wrote on Tue, 12 October 2010 19:31
The safest route is to offer FOSS software (they are well known and
many
have had their code audited) and leave the "fringe" softs on a repo
that
is left to the users' choice as install.
Marc, FOSS has noth
Quote: marc wrote on Tue, 12 October 2010 19:31
> The safest route is to offer FOSS software (they are well known and
> many
> have had their code audited) and leave the "fringe" softs on a repo
> that
> is left to the users' choice as install.
Marc, FOSS has nothing to do with whether a part
On Tuesday 12 October 2010 12:42:55 Marc Paré wrote:
> Le 2010-10-12 12:21, Lucien-Henry Horvath a écrit :
> > Le 12/10/2010 18:19, Tux99 a écrit :
> >> I think Mageia should include as much multimedia codecs as possible,
> >> it the
> >> user's responsibility to know the laws of his/her country an
On Tuesday 12 October 2010 17:53:54 Olivier Méjean wrote:
> Le mardi 12 octobre 2010 17:02:38, Anssi Hannula a écrit :
> > Hi all!
> >
> > == What about patents?
>
> Software Patents are allowed or not according to the country. Here in
> France, where Mageia.org, the association is based, the rul
On Tuesday 12 October 2010 13:31:21 Marc Paré wrote:
> There was actually nothing wrong with the Mandriva treatment of repos.
> It clearly satisfied everyone's expectation of their installation. It
> became a matter of user choice. By installing, by default, non-licensed
> software you are not givi
On Tuesday 12 October 2010 18:18:41 Jerome Quelin wrote:
> On 10/10/12 18:02 +0300, Anssi Hannula wrote:
> > Do people have any thoughts on what kind of repository/media sectioning
> > we should use on Mageia, and what should those sections contain?
> >
> > == Do we want a separated core repositor
On Tuesday 12 October 2010 17:34:34 Thierry Vignaud wrote:
> On 12 October 2010 17:02, Anssi Hannula wrote:
> > Restrictions:
> > - packages can only depend or builddepend on packages in main itself
> > - packages need to have an open source license
> > o unwritten exception: various non-free
On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 06:02:38PM +0300, Anssi Hannula wrote:
== Do we want a separated core repository?
No separated core: Fedora, Debian, Opensuse
Separated core: Mandriva (main), Ubuntu (main), Arch (Core)
i think so, main+contrib is about 20G and some stuff is not really
maintained.
==
2010/10/12 Olivier Méjean :
>
> Maybe a workaround would be to use timezone to determine the country and for
> some country disable the installation of codec and other nice things.
Ah, Olivier, grab that ball with all those colors and a light bulb
inside (aka Globe) and just see which countries ar
2010/10/12 Olivier Méjean :
>
> Free and non-free is pretty simple, once we have agreed on what's free and
> what's not !
>
> For example, Lame is a free software (GPL) but i may not be free according to
> patents if software patents are legal and it depends on the country.
Yes, but there is a thi
And why don't we affect specific packages to the country exactly like
the localization is affected ? In France too the default install is
certainly the choice of the educational establishments ... but in french
FR_FR, not in EN_US.
So, why not a pre-selection of certain kind of packages in the
Le 12/10/2010 19:31, Marc Paré a écrit :
Hi Lucien, this is not directed to you but to the discussion on this
thread:
No problem for me ;-)
There was actually nothing wrong with the Mandriva treatment of repos.
It clearly satisfied everyone's expectation of their installation. It
became a mat
Op dinsdag 12 oktober 2010 18:07:08 schreef Ahmad Samir:
> On 12 October 2010 17:53, Olivier Méjean wrote:
> > Le mardi 12 octobre 2010 17:02:38, Anssi Hannula a écrit :
> >> Hi all!
> >>
> >> == What about patents?
> >
> > Software Patents are allowed or not according to the country. Here in
>
Le 2010-10-12 12:54, Lucien-Henry Horvath a écrit :
Le 12/10/2010 18:42, Marc Paré a écrit :
Unfortunately, if this is done, I will no longer be able to install
legally any Mageia due to our laws. I think it is best if these are
not installed but let users know where to get them, mostly through
Op dinsdag 12 oktober 2010 17:02:38 schreef Anssi Hannula:
> Hi all!
>
> Do people have any thoughts on what kind of repository/media sectioning we
> should use on Mageia, and what should those sections contain?
>
> Note that I won't talk about backports / private repositories in this post,
> onl
Quote: Ahmad Samir wrote on Tue, 12 October 2010 19:08
>
> How do you think packages were done in Mandriva (and other distros)
> all those years?
Mandriva was a commercial company with ambitions to sell it's products
commercial all over the world, that's a completely different situation to
Mage
Quote: Lucien-Henry Horvath wrote on Tue, 12 October 2010 19:00
>
> Don't panic ... if our french government continue in the sens of
> DADVSI,
> HADOPI, and LOPSI law ... our futur is to build any linux distribution
>
> without possibility to install anything (no video player, no tools for
>
>
On 12 October 2010 18:52, Tux99 wrote:
>
>
> Quote: marc wrote on Tue, 12 October 2010 18:42
>> Unfortunately, if this is done, I will no longer be able to install
>> legally any Mageia due to our laws. I think it is best if these are not
>>
>> installed but let users know where to get them, mostl
Le 12/10/2010 18:52, Tux99 a écrit :
This is nonsense, Mageia can only be held responsible in France based on
French law (as long as Mageia isn't planning subsidiaries in outher
countries, which IMHO is unlikely and completely unnecessary for a
non-profit association).
Don't panic ... if our fre
Le 12/10/2010 18:42, Marc Paré a écrit :
Unfortunately, if this is done, I will no longer be able to install
legally any Mageia due to our laws. I think it is best if these are
not installed but let users know where to get them, mostly through PLF.
When I install Mandriva Free for people, I
Quote: marc wrote on Tue, 12 October 2010 18:42
> Unfortunately, if this is done, I will no longer be able to install
> legally any Mageia due to our laws. I think it is best if these are not
>
> installed but let users know where to get them, mostly through PLF.
How do you expect Mageia to ve
Le 2010-10-12 12:21, Lucien-Henry Horvath a écrit :
Le 12/10/2010 18:19, Tux99 a écrit :
I think Mageia should include as much multimedia codecs as possible,
it the
user's responsibility to know the laws of his/her country and if
necessary
uninstall anything unlicensed/illegal in his/her countr
Le 12/10/2010 18:19, Tux99 a écrit :
I think Mageia should include as much multimedia codecs as possible, it the
user's responsibility to know the laws of his/her country and if necessary
uninstall anything unlicensed/illegal in his/her country.
Not only multimedia but drivers too ... in my hu
Le 12/10/2010 18:11, Olivier Méjean a écrit :
Mageia won't be installed only in France; those patents still apply in
other countries so not all patent restrictions can be dropped.
And going that way you will have to drop each software that will break a law
in a country ...
Olivier
Hi,
+1
Wh
Quote: Ahmad Samir wrote on Tue, 12 October 2010 18:07
>
> Mageia won't be installed only in France; those patents still apply in
> other countries so not all patent restrictions can be dropped.
Nobody know the laws of every country in the world.
Just because some software might be covered by p
On 10/10/12 18:02 +0300, Anssi Hannula wrote:
> Do people have any thoughts on what kind of repository/media sectioning we
> should use on Mageia, and what should those sections contain?
>
> == Do we want a separated core repository?
>
> No separated core: Fedora, Debian, Opensuse
> Separated co
On 12 October 2010 18:11, Olivier Méjean wrote:
> Le mardi 12 octobre 2010 18:07:08, Ahmad Samir a écrit :
>> On 12 October 2010 17:53, Olivier Méjean wrote:
>> > Le mardi 12 octobre 2010 17:02:38, Anssi Hannula a écrit :
>> >> Hi all!
>> >>
>> >> == What about patents?
>> >
>> > Software Patents
On 12 October 2010 17:53, Olivier Méjean wrote:
> Le mardi 12 octobre 2010 17:02:38, Anssi Hannula a écrit :
>> Hi all!
>>
>> == What about patents?
>
> Software Patents are allowed or not according to the country. Here in France,
> where Mageia.org, the association is based, the rule is softwares
On 12 October 2010 17:02, Anssi Hannula wrote:
> Restrictions:
> - packages can only depend or builddepend on packages in main itself
> - packages need to have an open source license
> o unwritten exception: various non-free but distributable firmware (see
> kernel-firmware), for example r
Hi all!
Do people have any thoughts on what kind of repository/media sectioning we
should use on Mageia, and what should those sections contain?
Note that I won't talk about backports / private repositories in this post,
only about the basic sectioning and packages in those.
Some points to con
sorry
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