On 03/01/12 10:09, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
2012/1/3 Michael Scherer:
Le lundi 02 janvier 2012 à 22:17 +0100, Maarten Vanraes a écrit :
Op maandag 02 januari 2012 21:40:31 schreef Michael Scherer:
Le lundi 02 janvier 2012 à 19:41 +0100, Marja van Waes a écrit :
Hi everyone,
Can someone please
Am 11.01.2012 08:57, schrieb Buchan Milne:
> On Wednesday, 11 January 2012 06:32:50 Johnny A. Solbu wrote:
>> On Wednesday 11 January 2012 03:28, Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz wrote:
>>> I mean, stop asking updates for mageia 1 just because there is another
>>> newversion.
>> May I suggest that next tim
'Twas brillig, and Oliver Burger at 11/01/12 07:56 did gyre and gimble:
> as you might already know from previous mails or from the blog post published
> yesterday, Mageia is (again) attending Fosdem this year.
> http://blog.mageia.org/en/2012/01/10/happy-new-mageia-year/
>
>
> Aside from partici
2012/1/11 Marja van Waes :
> On 03/01/12 10:09, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
>>
>> 2012/1/3 Michael Scherer:
>>>
>>> Le lundi 02 janvier 2012 à 22:17 +0100, Maarten Vanraes a écrit :
Op maandag 02 januari 2012 21:40:31 schreef Michael Scherer:
>
> Le lundi 02 janvier 2012 à 19:41 +0100
Am Mittwoch, 11. Januar 2012, 10:54:58 schrieb Wolfgang Bornath:
> Why? IMHO this complete issue is going out of proportions. Let's
> remember why we *seem to need* this MOD in the first place. And what
> will we find? The time-to-edit discussion, again. In the council
> meeting where it was decide
Colin Guthrie a écrit :
'Twas brillig, and andre999 at 10/01/12 03:12 did gyre and gimble:
Juan Luis Baptiste a écrit :
On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 6:38 PM, Anssi Hannula wrote:
I'm absolutely fine with either moving codecs to core or tainted, as
long as we are at least somewha
On 11/01/12 10:15, Colin Guthrie wrote:
'Twas brillig, and Oliver Burger at 11/01/12 07:56 did gyre and gimble:
as you might already know from previous mails or from the blog post published
yesterday, Mageia is (again) attending Fosdem this year.
http://blog.mageia.org/en/2012/01/10/happy-new-ma
> 'Twas brillig, and Oliver Burger at 11/01/12 07:56 did gyre and gimble:
[...]
>> Looking forward to meeting many people there,
>
> In a stunning break from the norm, I've actually managed to not plan a
> skiing holiday over the FOSDEM weekend... Misc won't believe me but I
> WILL be there!
>
> Ad
On 10.01.2012 15:07, Pascal Terjan wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 03:20, Anssi Hannula wrote:
>> The problem is that that "balance" was achieved by sticking packages in
>> PLF/main/contrib semi-randomly. For example, H.264 decoders and MPEG-4
>> video encoders are in main/core, while e.g. AAC au
Am 11.01.2012 10:54, schrieb Wolfgang Bornath:
> 2012/1/11 Marja van Waes :
>> On 03/01/12 10:09, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
>>> 2012/1/3 Michael Scherer:
Le lundi 02 janvier 2012 à 22:17 +0100, Maarten Vanraes a écrit :
> Op maandag 02 januari 2012 21:40:31 schreef Michael Scherer:
>> Le
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 12:56, Anssi Hannula wrote:
> On 10.01.2012 15:07, Pascal Terjan wrote:
>> On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 03:20, Anssi Hannula wrote:
>>> The problem is that that "balance" was achieved by sticking packages in
>>> PLF/main/contrib semi-randomly. For example, H.264 decoders and MP
On Tue, 10 Jan 2012 20:28:15 -0600
Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
wrote:
>
> You dont get me,
>
> I mean, stop asking updates for mageia 1 just because there is another
> newversion.
Uh.
As a Mageia user I would expect Mageia to package significant *bugfix
releases* and ship them in the updates for
Le 11/01/2012 16:09, Antoine Pitrou a écrit :
As a Mageia user I would expect Mageia to package significant *bugfix
releases* and ship them in the updates for the stable distro.
You'd rather read the current update policy, rather than expect blind
assertions:
https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Updates_
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 3:43 AM, Florian Hubold wrote:
> Well, 2) and 3) are not valid reasons here, because backports should get
> a similar amount of QA testing as normal update candidates, and for
> the updates policy require a bugreport for validation through QA.
I think this is unrealistic i
On 11/01/12 10:54, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
2012/1/11 Marja van Waes:
On 03/01/12 10:09, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
Le lundi 02 janvier 2012 à 19:41 +0100, Marja van Waes a écrit :
Hi everyone,
Can someone please help to fix bug 1956?
IMHO the best way in this case here would be a mod writte
On Wed, 11 Jan 2012 16:51:55 +0100
Guillaume Rousse
wrote:
> Le 11/01/2012 16:09, Antoine Pitrou a écrit :
> > As a Mageia user I would expect Mageia to package significant *bugfix
> > releases* and ship them in the updates for the stable distro.
> You'd rather read the current update policy, rath
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 4:51 PM, Guillaume Rousse
wrote:
> Le 11/01/2012 16:09, Antoine Pitrou a écrit :
>
>> As a Mageia user I would expect Mageia to package significant *bugfix
>> releases* and ship them in the updates for the stable distro.
>
> You'd rather read the current update policy, rath
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 16:48, Christian Lohmaier
wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 4:51 PM, Guillaume Rousse
> wrote:
>> Le 11/01/2012 16:09, Antoine Pitrou a écrit :
>>
>>> As a Mageia user I would expect Mageia to package significant *bugfix
>>> releases* and ship them in the updates for the st
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 11:48 AM, Christian Lohmaier
wrote:
> Welcome to distro-isolation, putting burden on maintainers, giving
> them all the reason to deny a reasonable request for a bugfix release
> because it just is too much work to hunt for a specific commit that
> fixed bug x.
>
You don't
On Wed, 11 Jan 2012 12:43:35 -0500
Juan Luis Baptiste
wrote:
> > Sure, you cannot be save of regressions, but what makes you think you
> > are smarter than upstream? What makes you so sure that not the one
> > commit you add as a patch to your package is the one that causes the
> > regressions?
>
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 1:22 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Jan 2012 12:43:35 -0500
> But how do you choose which patches you want to backport from the
> stream of bugfixes done by upstream?
Because normally a single commit fixes a single bug and the commit
message says it clearly, so it'
Le mercredi 11 janvier 2012 à 11:24 -0500, Juan Luis Baptiste a écrit :
> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 3:43 AM, Florian Hubold wrote:
> > Well, 2) and 3) are not valid reasons here, because backports should get
> > a similar amount of QA testing as normal update candidates, and for
> > the updates poli
On Wed, 11 Jan 2012 13:33:41 -0500
Juan Luis Baptiste
wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 1:22 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
> > On Wed, 11 Jan 2012 12:43:35 -0500
> > But how do you choose which patches you want to backport from the
> > stream of bugfixes done by upstream?
>
> Because normally a singl
Le mercredi 11 janvier 2012 à 17:48 +0100, Christian Lohmaier a écrit :
> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 4:51 PM, Guillaume Rousse
> wrote:
> > Le 11/01/2012 16:09, Antoine Pitrou a écrit :
> >
> >> As a Mageia user I would expect Mageia to package significant *bugfix
> >> releases* and ship them in the
On Wednesday 11 January 2012 19:33, Juan Luis Baptiste wrote:
> > Should the packager monitor all
> > bug fixing activity?
>
> No we don't need to, we just need to look for the fix we are
> interested in as I described before.
And how do one do that without monitoring most bugfixing activity or re
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 2:19 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Jan 2012 13:33:41 -0500
>> >
>>
>> No we don't need to, we just need to look for the fix we are
>> interested in as I described before.
>
> Uh, you have a hard time understanding a question don't you?
>
And you a hard time unders
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 2:38 PM, Johnny A. Solbu wrote:
> On Wednesday 11 January 2012 19:33, Juan Luis Baptiste wrote:
> And how do one do that without monitoring most bugfixing activity or
> reviewing them, hunting for a particular fix?
>
> To some people, that magic trick is not obvious.
>
As
Le mercredi 11 janvier 2012 à 16:09 +0100, Antoine Pitrou a écrit :
> On Tue, 10 Jan 2012 20:28:15 -0600
> Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
> wrote:
> >
> > You dont get me,
> >
> > I mean, stop asking updates for mageia 1 just because there is another
> > newversion.
>
> Uh.
> As a Mageia user I woul
Le mercredi 11 janvier 2012 19:22:23, Antoine Pitrou a écrit :
> Just because someone doesn't file a bug against Mageia doesn't mean the
> bug doesn't bother anybody, because many users don't report upstream
> bugs to the distro's tracker.
> (also, other users don't bother reporting bugs at all :-)
On Wed, 11 Jan 2012 14:41:54 -0500
Juan Luis Baptiste
wrote:
>
> As I said, when there's a bug report on mga, we start investigating
> the problem and go and look at upstream for a bug report there for
> *that* particular bug.
So let me repeat myself from two messages above (!):
“Just because s
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Michael Scherer wrote:
> Le mercredi 11 janvier 2012 à 11:24 -0500, Juan Luis Baptiste a écrit :
>
> So trusting and having bugs are totally unrelated. And if you doubt that
> bugs appear, just see our bugzilla.
> We trust upstream ( most of them ), and yet there i
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 3:05 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
>
> “Just because someone doesn't file a bug against Mageia doesn't mean the
> bug doesn't bother anybody, because many users don't report upstream
> bugs to the distro's tracker.”
>
Simple, we won't fix bugs that aren't reported or noticed b
On Wed, 11 Jan 2012, Marja van Waes wrote:
>
> I can't talk for that minority, of course. However, I can talk for myself:
>
> In such circumstances it is very possible that I'd agree to do something to
> later find out I can't concentrate on the task no matter how hard I try.
>
> I regret it wasn
On Wed, 11 Jan 2012 15:13:05 -0500
Juan Luis Baptiste
wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 3:05 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
> >
> > “Just because someone doesn't file a bug against Mageia doesn't mean the
> > bug doesn't bother anybody, because many users don't report upstream
> > bugs to the distro's
Op woensdag 11 januari 2012 21:13:50 schreef nicolas vigier:
[...]
> But the main problem is not edit time, I don't really care about edit
> time myself. The main problem is that there seems to be a majority of
> people who think it should be enabled, that there is no good reason to
> not do it, or
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 6:43 PM, Juan Luis Baptiste wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 11:48 AM, Christian Lohmaier
> wrote:
> [...]
> You don't do packaging, right ?
Wrong. I do packaging, although not for any distro.
> it isn't that hard and is how all distro's do it. Look at Fedora or
> SuSE's
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 8:56 PM, zezinho wrote:
> Le mercredi 11 janvier 2012 19:22:23, Antoine Pitrou a écrit :
>> Just because someone doesn't file a bug against Mageia doesn't mean the
>> bug doesn't bother anybody, because many users don't report upstream
>> bugs to the distro's tracker.
>> (a
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 8:32 PM, Michael Scherer wrote:
> Le mercredi 11 janvier 2012 à 17:48 +0100, Christian Lohmaier a écrit :
>> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 4:51 PM, Guillaume Rousse
>> wrote:
>> > Le 11/01/2012 16:09, Antoine Pitrou a écrit :
>> >
>> >> As a Mageia user I would expect Mageia to
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 3:44 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
> And my point is that these bugs are fixed automatically if you follow
> bugfix releases from upstream...
>
> Apparently you like to create work for yourself, though :)
>
No, it seems that you like to read what you like to read, On this
thre
2012/1/11 Maarten Vanraes :
> Op woensdag 11 januari 2012 21:13:50 schreef nicolas vigier:
> [...]
>> But the main problem is not edit time, I don't really care about edit
>> time myself. The main problem is that there seems to be a majority of
>> people who think it should be enabled, that there i
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 3:53 PM, Christian Lohmaier
wrote:
> adding patches to the packages and releasing them instead of waiting
> for a new upstream release is different from having the policy to
> stick with whatever release was used when releasing the distro and
> then only apply fixes via pat
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 21:13, nicolas vigier wrote:
> The main problem is that there seems to be a majority of
> people who think it should be enabled, that there is no good reason to
> not do it, or at least try it for a few months (as was proposed several
> times by different people), but it is
Le samedi 07 janvier 2012 14:53:59, vous avez écrit :
> Le samedi 07 janvier 2012 13:58:05, Luc Menut a écrit :
> > Le 07/01/2012 13:23, Florent Monnier a écrit :
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > In Mandriva I was using this command to make proper attribution of
> > > imported .spec files:
> > >
> > > $ mdv
On 11.01.2012 16:01, Pascal Terjan wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 12:56, Anssi Hannula wrote:
>> On 10.01.2012 15:07, Pascal Terjan wrote:
>>> On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 03:20, Anssi Hannula wrote:
The problem is that that "balance" was achieved by sticking packages in
PLF/main/contrib s
andre999 wrote:
> We're talking about codecs, essentially the decoders which are used to
> read encoded files.
> If the patent claims are valid/enforceable (and most aren't), it is up
> to the patent holder to decide if it is in their interest to enforce the
> patent claims.
> Since they will no
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 09:23:20PM -0500, David Walser wrote:
> andre999 wrote:
> > However I do agree that we should put encoders that seem to be covered
> > by valid patents in some countries in "tainted".
>
> If we really want a hard and fast rule, I agree that this makes the most
> sense.
I
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