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Re: [Mailman-Users] Integrating htdig

> "Jeff" == Jeff Donsbach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Jeff> Based on the lack of traffic to the mailman3-dev mailing Jeff> list, is it a safe assumption that Mailman3 development is Jeff> stalled? (Please, devs, don't take this as criticism. It is Jeff> just a question). No.

Re: [Mailman-Users] Goodmail spells doom for mailing lists?

> "Brad" == Brad Knowles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Brad> If anyone wants to see a more completely laid out and Brad> fully explained discussion of why Goodmail is such a bad Brad> idea, please see and Brad> .

Re: [Mailman-Users] simple?problem

Bob Bales wrote: > >We keep having an issue pop up. A non-member of our net tried to post. The >moderator went in and disallowed his post. Now everyday we get the same >message that there is a post made by this person that needs attention. When >we go into the control panel it says that there ar

[Mailman-Users] simple?problem

We keep having an issue pop up. A non-member of our net tried to post. The moderator went in and disallowed his post. Now everyday we get the same message that there is a post made by this person that needs attention. When we go into the control panel it says that there are no actions that need

Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce issues with Yahoo

On Wed, Mar 01, 2006 at 08:39:55PM -0500, Jonathan Dill wrote: > I find a lot of stuff by Googling "VS5-MF Excessive unknown recipients", > apparently Yahoo may be doing something that is not RFC-compliant, so > your MTA doesn't know that it should stop trying to resend the message: Interesting

Re: [Mailman-Users] Goodmail spells doom for mailing lists?

At 11:57 AM +0100 2006-03-01, Brad Knowles wrote: > Frankly, despite all the wailing and gnashing of teeth by everyone else, > I don't see any of these situations changing any time soon. If anyone wants to see a more completely laid out and fully explained discussion of why Goodma

Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce issues with Yahoo

Greg Lindahl wrote: > 7E7E824F81 634 Wed Mar 1 09:03:21 [EMAIL PROTECTED] > (host mx3.mail.yahoo.com[67.28.113.10] said: 451 VS5-MF Excessive unknown > recipients - possible Open Relay > http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/mail/spam/spam-18.html (#4.4.5) 205.217.153.43 > (in reply to MAIL FROM

Re: [Mailman-Users] KNOWN_USERS + SpamAssassin discarding lots of mail

Patrick Bogen wrote: >Mark Sapiro wrote: >> The messages are being discarded because they have an >> >> X-Spam-Status: Yes > >Mark, this isn't strictly correct, I think. cre.search() is going to >look for any place in the string where the regex matches, so they're >*actually* being discarded becau

Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce issues with Yahoo

On Wed, Mar 01, 2006 at 05:43:07PM -0500, Jonathan Dill wrote: > Are you getting explicit REJECT messages from Yahoo! or some other error? I'm getting 4XX frequently, and occasionally: 7E7E824F81 634 Wed Mar 1 09:03:21 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (host mx3.mail.yahoo.com[67.28.113.10] said: 451 VS5

Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce issues with Yahoo

On Thu, Mar 02, 2006 at 12:44:36AM +0100, Brad Knowles wrote: > I think there may have been better ways to try to get people to > focus on answering the technical question and get away from the > policy issues, but it would also have helped if you had consulted the > FAQ Wizard and the li

Re: [Mailman-Users] KNOWN_USERS + SpamAssassin discarding lots of mail

Patrick Bogen wrote: > Now, here's the problem with this. > > X-Spam-Status for a non-spam message may look like: > > X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.0 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 ... > > (and keeps going for a while.) > > As should be pretty obvious, 'Yes' case-insensitively is fo

Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce issues with Yahoo

At 3:03 PM -0800 2006-03-01, Greg Lindahl wrote: >> In all fairness, your comment about your years of >> experience was the first rude thing. > > Ah, I see. So unsolicited and unwanted advice is OK, but explaining > why my policy opinions are strongly held is rude? All I was aiming at > was a

Re: [Mailman-Users] KNOWN_USERS + SpamAssassin discarding lots of mail

Mark Saprio wrote: > The messages are being discarded because they have an > > X-Spam-Status: Yes Mark, this isn't strictly correct, I think. cre.search() is going to look for any place in the string where the regex matches, so they're *actually* being discarded because they have a header: X-Spam-

Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce issues with Yahoo

On Wed, Mar 01, 2006 at 04:04:07PM -0600, Patrick Bogen wrote: > In all fairness, your comment about your years of > experience was the first rude thing. Ah, I see. So unsolicited and unwanted advice is OK, but explaining why my policy opinions are strongly held is rude? All I was aiming at was a

Re: [Mailman-Users] KNOWN_USERS + SpamAssassin discarding lots of mail

Patrick Bogen wrote: > On 2/28/06, Mark Sapiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>If you really think this is resulting in messages being discarded that >>shouldn't be, I suggest you remove the KNOWN_SPAMMERS entry from >>mm_cfg.py and instead, put >> >>^X-Spam-Status:\s*Yes >> >>in header_filter_ru

Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce issues with Yahoo

At 4:04 PM -0600 2006-03-01, Patrick Bogen wrote: > Integrating spam detection into mailman is actually quite easy- once > your MTA is configured for it. That's one way to do it, yes. However, the FAQ does detail other methods that can also be used, as well as MTA integration. >

Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce issues with Yahoo

Are you getting explicit REJECT messages from Yahoo! or some other error? For what it's worth, I think Yahoo may have changed something internally lately, like their DNS MX records, you may want to check out what address your MTA is trying to send the messages to and compare to dig or nslookup

Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce issues with Yahoo

Wednesday, March 01, 2006 3:57 PM - Greg wrote: > > Why not disable those notification messages completely and discard the > > incoming messages from nonmembers? > > Because I have a lot of users with several email addresses who forget > which one they're subscribed as. I care about every posting.

Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce issues with Yahoo

At 4:34 PM -0500 2006-03-01, Christopher X. Candreva wrote: >> Like most people who've been running mailing lists for 20+ years, I > > Funny, I would have guessed this was your first, comming from a marketing > background with the selfishness you are showing. Selfishness? I think you

Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce issues with Yahoo

At 12:52 PM -0800 2006-03-01, Dragon wrote: > Why not disable those notification messages completely and discard the > incoming messages from nonmembers? > > That is what I do on my lists. > > My reasoning behind this is that if there is any mail from a nonmember, > 99.99% of the time it's a

Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce issues with Yahoo

At 12:57 PM -0800 3/1/06, Greg Lindahl wrote: >On Wed, Mar 01, 2006 at 12:52:39PM -0800, Dragon wrote: > >> Why not disable those notification messages completely and discard the >> incoming messages from nonmembers? > >Because I have a lot of users with several email addresses who forget >which on

Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce issues with Yahoo

On 3/1/06, Greg Lindahl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It doesn't seem that integrating spam detection is very easy, > perhaps it should be made easier? Integrating spam detection into mailman is actually quite easy- once your MTA is configured for it. That is an MTA issue, not a mailman issue. (If y

Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce issues with Yahoo

On 3/1/06, Greg Lindahl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am new to this list, I didn't realize personal insults were so popular. List policy seems to be a pretty touch subject around here, especially when it comes to lists being configured to act as good citizens, as it were. Personally, I'm also o

Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce issues with Yahoo

On Wed, Mar 01, 2006 at 04:34:18PM -0500, Christopher X. Candreva wrote: > On Wed, 1 Mar 2006, Greg Lindahl wrote: > > > Like most people who've been running mailing lists for 20+ years, I > > Funny, I would have guessed this was your first, comming from a marketing > background with the selfish

Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce issues with Yahoo

On 3/1/06, Patrick Bogen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 3/1/06, Christopher X. Candreva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Is there any way to suppress "you aren't a member" only for Yahoo > > > senders? Sorry, this should read 'Greg Lindhal <...> wrote:' - Patrick Bogen --

Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce issues with Yahoo

On 3/1/06, Christopher X. Candreva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Is there any way to suppress "you aren't a member" only for Yahoo > > senders? Not that I know of- probably not without hacking the module that sends them. However, Since SpamDetect is the first thing in the pipeline, if you can con

Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce issues with Yahoo

On Wed, 1 Mar 2006, Greg Lindahl wrote: > Like most people who've been running mailing lists for 20+ years, I Funny, I would have guessed this was your first, comming from a marketing background with the selfishness you are showing. > have strong opinions about list policy. Please address the m

Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce issues with Yahoo

Like most people who've been running mailing lists for 20+ years, I have strong opinions about list policy. Please address the mechanism I asked for instead of seeking to discuss the policy issues. -- greg -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-U

Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce issues with Yahoo

On Wed, 1 Mar 2006, Greg Lindahl wrote: > Yahoo users. Well, that's because I get a lot of incoming spam from > fake Yahoo accounts to my Mailman, and I have it configured to send > back a "you aren't a member" message. > > Is there any way to suppress "you aren't a member" only for Yahoo > sende

Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce issues with Yahoo

Greg Lindahl wrote: >On Wed, Mar 01, 2006 at 12:52:39PM -0800, Dragon wrote: > > > Why not disable those notification messages completely and discard the > > incoming messages from nonmembers? > >Because I have a lot of users with several email addresses who forget >which one they're subscribed as.

Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce issues with Yahoo

On Wed, Mar 01, 2006 at 12:52:39PM -0800, Dragon wrote: > Why not disable those notification messages completely and discard the > incoming messages from nonmembers? Because I have a lot of users with several email addresses who forget which one they're subscribed as. I care about every posting.

Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce issues with Yahoo

Greg Lindahl wrote: >Yahoo is delaying delivery of mail from my domain because I look like >I'm spamming them -- my machine sends a lot of email to non-existent >Yahoo users. Well, that's because I get a lot of incoming spam from >fake Yahoo accounts to my Mailman, and I have it configured to send

[Mailman-Users] Bounce issues with Yahoo

Yahoo is delaying delivery of mail from my domain because I look like I'm spamming them -- my machine sends a lot of email to non-existent Yahoo users. Well, that's because I get a lot of incoming spam from fake Yahoo accounts to my Mailman, and I have it configured to send back a "you aren't a mem

Re: [Mailman-Users] KNOWN_USERS + SpamAssassin discarding lots of mail

On 2/28/06, Mark Sapiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If you really think this is resulting in messages being discarded that > shouldn't be, I suggest you remove the KNOWN_SPAMMERS entry from > mm_cfg.py and instead, put > > ^X-Spam-Status:\s*Yes > > in header_filter_rules for some of the problem li

Re: [Mailman-Users] 'no send' option

John Poltorak wrote: > Does Mailman have an option for keeping someone on a mailing list so > that > they are authorised to browse archives, but not receive any posts? > Yes, the "nomail" option on the membership page, which IIRC is also setable by the user. LER -- Larry Rosenman

[Mailman-Users] 'no send' option

Does Mailman have an option for keeping someone on a mailing list so that they are authorised to browse archives, but not receive any posts? -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mail

Re: [Mailman-Users] Goodmail spells doom for mailing lists?

At 9:23 PM -0500 2006-02-28, Ed wrote: > The answer to this is simple. If AOL tries that stupidity with the rest > of the ISP's of the world, then we / they should simply blacklist AOL. > I know we will if it comes to that. AOL may be the proverbial > 10,000lb gorilla, but the second they st

Re: [Mailman-Users] MGCP + Reg CallId in CRCX

geetha wrote: > Actually I am new to this MGCP protocol.I am reading RFC 3435 for the > first time. Great! Everyone has to start off somewhere. > I am framing test cases also parallely.So kindly clarify my doubt. Well, I suggest that you contact the manufacturer, of the equipment in question,