Re: [Mailman-Users] query re message has implicit destination (devils advocate!)

2006-08-31 Thread Brad Knowles
At 9:06 AM +0200 2006-08-31, Bretton Vine wrote: Well a lot has been generated in this discussion already, now it's just a case of summarising it and having someone edit. I like writing, and would happily contribute but I can drag on a bit so need a good editor :-P Yeah, I have that

Re: [Mailman-Users] query re message has implicit destination (devils advocate!)

2006-08-31 Thread stephen
Brad Knowles writes: At 2:07 AM +0200 2006-08-31, Bretton Vine wrote: (locally) it's been referred to as a be strict in what you send, relaxed in what you receive approach but not everyone adheres to (or is aware of) this way of looking at things and it seems antiquated to

[Mailman-Users] Need install help

2006-08-31 Thread Rob Robson
Need professional help finishing the installation of Mailman on my Fedora Core 5 server. I have completed the install steps up to chapter 6 with no errors. Also have Postfix installed and working. -- Rob Robson Chillicothe, Ohio PGP (See Headers) http://www.rob-robson.com

Re: [Mailman-Users] working on an insanely huge moderation requestlist

2006-08-31 Thread Mark Sapiro
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: cd to Mailman's home, run bin/show_qfiles dir_of_queue_in_question/* Actually, in this case it would be bin/show_qfiles data/heldmsg* -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B.

Re: [Mailman-Users] query re message has implicit destination

2006-08-31 Thread Mark Sapiro
Bretton Vine wrote: Mark Sapiro said the following on 2006/08/31 02:55 AM: Do you have an actual message? Yes Where did this message come from? A list-member, cc'd to non-list member (subsequently subbed) It occurred to me that if the list has archives, the raw message as sent to the list

Re: [Mailman-Users] working on an insanely huge moderation requestlist

2006-08-31 Thread Brad Knowles
At 8:25 AM -0700 2006-08-31, Mark Sapiro quoted [EMAIL PROTECTED]: cd to Mailman's home, run bin/show_qfiles dir_of_queue_in_question/* Actually, in this case it would be bin/show_qfiles data/heldmsg* To be pedantic, if the moderation queue is that large, then wildcard expansion on the

[Mailman-Users] Mailman Additional Tables

2006-08-31 Thread Gauvin, Scott
Is there a way to add additional fields for the subscribers? I would like to also have the subscribers include their address and phone numbers. Is there a way to add these fields? -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org

Re: [Mailman-Users] query re message has implicit destination(devils advocate!)

2006-08-31 Thread Bretton Vine
John W. Baxter said the following on 2006/08/31 06:58 PM: And, unfortunately, were I preparing a list of options for a You really ought to look at these options and check that they are set appropriately paragraph, I probably wouldn't include this one. There are so many which are more

[Mailman-Users] View Subscriber list format

2006-08-31 Thread Tom Kavanaugh
Hello, Currently View subscribers list displays members in the following format: first.last at my.domain.com Is it possible to change the format to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks Tom -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org

Re: [Mailman-Users] query re message has implicit destination(devils advocate!)

2006-08-31 Thread Dragon
Bretton Vine sent the message below at 10:08 8/31/2006: John W. Baxter said the following on 2006/08/31 06:58 PM: And, unfortunately, were I preparing a list of options for a You really ought to look at these options and check that they are set appropriately paragraph, I probably wouldn't

Re: [Mailman-Users] query re message has implicit destination(devils advocate!)

2006-08-31 Thread Steve Burling
--On August 31, 2006 7:08:22 PM +0200 Bretton Vine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps a list of you /really/ should set these settings to X would be useful to people short on time :-) Of course you could just bundle the product that way in the first place but where's the fun in that? To which

Re: [Mailman-Users] query re message has implicit destination(devils advocate!)

2006-08-31 Thread Bretton Vine
Dragon said the following on 2006/08/31 07:44 PM: But if you don't like the defaults or have a reason to choose a different setting, you can change them at your own risk either through configuring each list or by overriding the setting in mm_cfg.py I'm not criticising, and I'm more than

Re: [Mailman-Users] query re message has implicit destination(devils advocate!)

2006-08-31 Thread Bretton Vine
Dragon said the following on 2006/08/31 07:44 PM: The fact that people like Brad and Mark and others are willing to expend large amounts of their time responding to queries here should be taken as what it is, another gift to the community. I think they have gone above and beyond the call of

Re: [Mailman-Users] query re message has implicit destination(devils advocate!)

2006-08-31 Thread Bretton Vine
Steve Burling said the following on 2006/08/31 07:55 PM: Could we maybe leave this poor dead horse to rest in peace? Only if I get a last word in edgewise :-) Apparently, many of the posters to this list believe (with some justification, imho) that it should take explicit action to undo safe

Re: [Mailman-Users] View Subscriber list format

2006-08-31 Thread Tom Kavanaugh
That workes! Thanks folks. On 8/31/06, Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom Kavanaugh wrote: Currently View subscribers list displays members in the following format: first.last at my.domain.com Is it possible to change the format to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] in the list admin

[Mailman-Users] Mailman with exim4 on Debian Sarge

2006-08-31 Thread Oliver König
Hello, I installed and configured mailman on Debian Sarge running apache2 and exim4. I set up a list and the list adminstrator / owner can post to the list from a remote client. I am pretty sure that the mailman config is right and that there is a problem with the exim4 config. Non local

Re: [Mailman-Users] View Subscriber list format

2006-08-31 Thread Tom Kavanaugh
Is there a way to incorporate this change across all exisitng mail lists? I looked at commands in mailman/bin but did not find any command that could do this for me. Or, am I missing something? Later, Tom On 8/31/06, Tom Kavanaugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That workes! Thanks folks. On

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman with exim4 on Debian Sarge

2006-08-31 Thread Mark Sapiro
Oliver König wrote: I am pretty sure that the mailman config is right and that there is a problem with the exim4 config. Non local subscribers cannot post to the list. The Exim4 log always says that relay is not permitted. Yes, that would be an Exim config problem. Here are parts of my

Re: [Mailman-Users] View Subscriber list format

2006-08-31 Thread Mark Sapiro
Tom Kavanaugh wrote: Is there a way to incorporate this change across all exisitng mail lists? I looked at commands in mailman/bin but did not find any command that could do this for me. Or, am I missing something? First, you want to put DEFAULT_OBSCURE_ADDRESSES = No in mm_cfg.py so new

Re: [Mailman-Users] query re message has implicit destination(devils advocate!)

2006-08-31 Thread Brad Knowles
At 10:06 AM -0700 2006-08-31, John W. Baxter quoted Brad Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED]: We're not a commercial environment, and we've actually had pretty bad experiences with people/companies that are in commercial environments taking our software and making unapproved modifications to it, or

Re: [Mailman-Users] query re message has implicit destination(devils advocate!)

2006-08-31 Thread Brad Knowles
At 8:44 PM +0200 2006-08-31, Bretton Vine wrote: The point I was illustrating is that if you have to justify the rationale behind a default setting to a third-party-decision-maker -- what is the most appropriate and concise response? This is the key point that was not coming across to me,

Re: [Mailman-Users] query re message has implicit destination(devils advocate!)

2006-08-31 Thread Brad Knowles
At 8:25 PM +0200 2006-08-31, Bretton Vine wrote: I view it differently. I have had great feedback and I highly doubt either of the parties mentioned viewed a response as a restraining, difficult exercise. I /really/ use lists to their full advantage and with some in particular have never

Re: [Mailman-Users] query re message has implicit destination(devils advocate!)

2006-08-31 Thread stephen
Brad Knowles writes: At 10:06 AM -0700 2006-08-31, John W. Baxter quoted Brad Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED]: We're not a commercial environment, and we've actually had pretty bad experiences with people/companies that are in commercial environments taking our software and making