ail, etc. If you have the money, you can buy a
better reputation for your IP addresses are address group, but it's a
money game.
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On Feb 17, 2020, at 10:45 AM, Phil Stracchino wrote:
>
>> On 2020-02-17 10:56, Bill Cole wrote:
>> RedHat has a policy of nailing down nominal versions of software with
>> each major RHEL release and then backporting whatever fixes they deem
>> important into their packages over the life of t
ching what we see in on the Administrative Requests
page), the it should be sufficient to discard any message with a From
header staring with "=?utf-8".
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On Sun, 2020-02-16 at 12:08 -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> Munged a few words.
>
> On 2/15/20 11:20 PM, Lindsay Haisley wrote:
>
> > The only filter relevant to this issue is "(?i)Subject: .*[f...]".
>
> The (?i) is irrelevant as the match always ignores case. Als
e
information provided by MM 2.
Since the code is in MM2 to decode base64 headers, which it does for
the similarly encoded Subject, I should probably hack the MM code to
make it do the same for the From header before showing it in the list
of Administrative Requests (or someone else could do this,
Here's a more concise summary:
On Sat, 2020-02-15 at 20:00 -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> On 2/15/20 5:58 PM, Lindsay Haisley wrote:
> > We're running Mailman 2.1.18-1 and have a list which is having a porn
> > spam problem. The list is set to discard posts from non-
On Sat, 2020-02-15 at 20:00 -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> On 2/15/20 5:58 PM, Lindsay Haisley wrote:
> > We're running Mailman 2.1.18-1 and have a list which is having a porn
> > spam problem. The list is set to discard posts from non-members, and
> > the list moderator
k
> in the confirmation request email she receives.
Following a link in a confirmation email may be pushing it with her :(
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min, as is helping subscribers who need some hand
holding.
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Sent from my iPhone
> On Nov 30, 2018, at 4:17 PM, Matthew Goebel wrote:
>
> We've recently had one or two sites block email coming from one of our
> lists.
> They seem to indicate it is because of sending address having bounces in it?
Email is probably the most stressed service on the Inter
On Nov 25, 2018, at 1:06 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
>
> A .forward normally does not cause issues with DMARC because .forward
> redirection normally does not transform the message in ways that break
> DKIM signatures.
Which assumes that the sending system includes a DKIM signature in the original
m
ist
must have a proper SPF record.
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--
Mailman-
relevant messages. Does such a thing exist?
Leaving from_is_list set to "Munge From" will take care of any DNS
outages, if you don't mind doing this. When it comes to specialized
software to do things such as scan mailboxes and take intelligent
action, I've found that I pretty mu
On Mon, 2018-10-15 at 21:43 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> On 10/15/18 9:23 PM, Lindsay Haisley wrote:
> > On Mon, 2018-10-15 at 21:09 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> > > There should be "delivery disabled" entries in Mailman's bounce log.
> >
> > Nada,
ad a single file
> descriptor for both the config.pck and the pending.pck, but I have no
> idea how that could happen.
Evil spirits.
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h
date on the pending.pck if you still have
> the original and see if there's anything in Mailman's logs with that
> time stamp.
I did think of that. See above.
> > I'll be happy to send the sour pickle to you, Mark, if you want to look
> > into it, but it's your
eadily available. I have plenty of
excellent software, notably my Evolution MUA, which has some nasty pot-
holes scattered among otherwise exceptional features. One learns to
deal with them.
I'll be happy to send the sour pickle to you, Mark, if you want to look
into it, but it's your call.
ements (and manual re-
enablements) after our blacklisting by Microsoft last weekend.
The question now is how to fix it?
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http://www.fmp.
in/dumpdb /var/lib/mailman/lists/$list/pending.pck|grep evictions
This, at least, is how things are laid out here, although perhaps the
standard now is to put the lists dir under /usr/lib64/mailman.
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malized relational
database back in sync with itself?
On Fri, 2018-10-12 at 11:31 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> On 10/12/2018 08:20 AM, Lindsay Haisley wrote:
> > I'm running Mailman 2.1.18-1
> > I'm running cron job daily with this command:
> >
> > /usr/bin/pyth
name)
etc .
until the recursion limit is exceeded.
To the best of my knowledge, this is relatively new. Any ideas about
what might be happening here? Was this perhaps addressed in a newer
version of MM?
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FMP Computer
On Mon, 2018-10-08 at 12:23 -0400, Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users
wrote:
> On Mon, 2018-10-08 at 11:01 -0500, Lindsay Haisley wrote:
> >
> >
> > I've generally had good luck with Linode. Their tech folks are real
> > geniuses and technically their service really
mpts out there to deal with the problem in ways
that break email on the Internet, often violation of RFCs. It's a
tribute to the engineering genius of the internet pioneers who
developed the email protocols that it survives at all and hasn't been
replaced entirely with proprietary services suc
ng request with Microsoft on my address, or the /24 containing
it. I've done the same from my end.
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y, Microsoft
has informed me that my IP address "does not qualify for mitigation",
so I've asked for more details.
It looks as if I may need to unload all my Mailman list hosting clients
and send them to a commercial service such as MailChimp.
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recently with Microsoft mail customers
who are Mailman list subscribers?
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ocess, and how others might proceed to do so.
Sufficient knowledge of bash scripting and basic Unix permissions and
such may well be required to properly modify and use these scripts on
other systems.
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heck out fail2ban. It's in use on
my company's server and works wonders on stopping brute force attacks
on ALL services affected.
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http://www.fmp
On Mon, 2018-04-16 at 11:06 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> On 04/16/2018 10:45 AM, Lindsay Haisley wrote:
> >
> > Apache will log the access, with IP addresse, but to the best of my
> > knowledge it won't log a Web UI login failure since this is an internal
> > matte
;t log a Web UI login failure since this is an internal
matter for Mailman.
The connecting IP address is available in the environment to any web
application and it shouldn't be difficult to set up logging for login
failures.
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IPs.
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I also contact them
> outside your system.
This is an interesting idea.
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512-259-1190 | times of humor."
ht
On Sat, 2018-03-31 at 17:33 -0500, Lindsay Haisley wrote:
> I've had to deal with Gmail's honey-potting before, and I can do it
> again if necessary. I don't imagine that you've ever done commercial
> email administration, Richard, or you might have something construc
On Sat, 2018-03-31 at 17:57 -0400, Richard Damon wrote:
> On 3/31/18 3:35 PM, Lindsay Haisley wrote:
> >
> > On Sat, 2018-03-31 at 14:50 -0400, Richard Damon wrote:
> > >
> > > To me the issue sounds like why is fmp.com forwarding spam?
> > >
&
ic original from address.
Which, as I noted in my original post, will cause the Gmail user's mail
account to end up with a whole lot of useless whitelisted address which
would need to be deleted, and FMP's server might well end up getting
blacklisted as a result.
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one out there!
The only possible solution here would be to randomize the username
portion of the rewritten From address, which makes the email look more
like spam, and the Gmail user would end up with a whole lot of useless
whitelisted address which would need to be deleted. Not to mention the
fact t
ttps.py the absence of an appropriate add_virtualhost() came
to the fore and the web_page_url was rewritten using the old
DEFAULT_URL_HOST, even though I'd added a proper add_virtualhost() by
the time I ran https.py.
Interesting, but not serious since the issue was identified and
remedied in
nce of an appropriate add_virtualhost() came
to the fore and the web_page_url was rewritten using the old
DEFAULT_URL_HOST, even though I'd added a proper add_virtualhost() by
the time I ran https.py.
Interesting, but not serious since the issue was identified and
remedied here in
x domain name and
see if I can pin the issue down. I didn't have add_virtualhost() method
calls for "fmp.com" and "www.fmp.com" _when the list was created_, so
the web_page_url may have been overwritten with the DEFAULT_URL_HOST in
effect at that time.
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On Tue, 2018-03-06 at 19:36 -0600, Lindsay Haisley wrote:
> I have an installed list running mailman-2.1.18-1 and just set up a SSL
> cert from Let's Encrypt to run the site to which the list is attached
> via https on port 443.
>
> The list moderator emailed me noting that sh
nd forcing them, again, to rewrite these
internal URLs from http to https breaks things.
So what's the proper way to take a list that's been running via port 80
and make it run entirely via port 443?
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nd storage capacities around the Internet
have risen over the years so that this isn't the problem it used to be.
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On Fri, 2018-01-12 at 13:04 +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
> Lindsay Haisley writes:
>
> > Probably what I'm talking about.
>
> Hmm... This is a good sign!
>
> > I only partially understand this, Mark. I'll need to sit down and
> study
> >
On Thu, 2018-01-11 at 11:36 -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> On 01/10/2018 08:47 PM, Lindsay Haisley wrote:
> >
> >
> > Upgrading MM2 here is a bit of a PITA since I have to do a lot of
> > patching to support the hacks I've done to MM over the years.
>
>
of
patching to support the hacks I've done to MM over the years.
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-
fixed since 2.1.15. For the record, could someone
confirm this?
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ht
t if this
information could be encapsulated into a binary which was always
somewhere such as the ~mailman/bin directory and was there even if the
build source wasn't included in the distribution package. I use the
Courier mail suite for mail handling and every build and every
distribution&#
ots of SHOULD, MUST and MAY therein.
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--
Mailm
If it works, don't fix
it". The pieces I pulled out of MM code work, and I've set up a cron
job to pull the org domains db to a local server where it comes up
fast, but with everything I'm doing, learning how the cow eats the
cabbages in this kind of thing is pretty much on a n
ut which matches "postmas...@fmp.com"
which I'm using for the body From header on munged emails, and on top
of this FMP publishes "a mx ptr ip4:198.58.125.221 mx:linode.fmp.com
-all" for SPF, which grabs just about everything and should be OK.
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h the recipient's SMTP server
received the mail. Correct me if I'm wrong on this, but I don't believe
a SPF record in DNS is required.
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ion of an email
by DMARC requires ONE of two things: EITHER the DKIM signature in the
email must validate, OR the domain of the From body header must resolve
to the IP address of the Sender system (list server or mail reflector).
Is this correct? Where's a reference on this?
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Since they're touchy about stuff like this I'd like to reject
these at the front door before they get re-mailed to list-owners.
Is there a good way within Mailman to filter list-owner email for
unwanted attachments?
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On Tue, 2017-10-03 at 12:02 -0500, Dimitri Maziuk wrote:
> Oh, come on. It was just a snark.
Too early in the AM here for snark. My apologies!
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ong array names ($HTTP_*_VARS) is an example. Yes,
I can edit the php.ini file to make deprecated forms work, but the
default behavior isn't always backward-compatible.
I hacked PHP support into Mailman some years ago for use in archive
searches but fortunately my code was pretty simple.
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On Mon, 2017-04-03 at 15:03 -0500, Lindsay Haisley wrote:
> Actually, we try to be gentle with these folks and keep things as
> simple as possible. Some of them are pretty non-techie and these
> messages probably elicit a hormonal technophobia reaction. I'll just
> resubscribe the
oblem since I
have the subscriber address AES-encrypted into the Resent-message-ID
header, but still a PITA.
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On Mon, 2017-04-03 at 12:28 -0500, Lindsay Haisley wrote:
> Last month a Mailman (v2.1.18-1) list on my server got hit with a
> bunch of bounces based on DMARC rejections from Gmail, Yahoo and
> Hotmail which honor "p=reject" in a DMARC record.
Add comcast.net, msn.com and go
e come
from the list server's mailman address, were also bouncing. I would
assume that messages which come directly from our server and are not
reflected through a redirection or mailing list wouldn't be subject to
rejection based on DMARC policy.
Why would this be? What can be done to add
sers@python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3
> Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40pyth
> on.org/
> Unsubscribe: https://mail.py
systems, simple solutions to simple problems get lost in
the shuffle.
Again, I'm sorry for any insult or offense to anyone on this list.
Can I have some barbecue sauce on my crow ;)
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On Tue, 2017-01-17 at 07:40 -0500, Brian Carpenter wrote:
> >
> > Lindsay Haisley writes:
> >
> > > I don't believe that the python DNS resolver module is a stock part of
> > > the python distribution.
> >
> > It is not, as of 3.6.
N
t.
sudo -H pip install --upgrade pip
Then, to install dnspython, you'll use:
sudo -H pip install dnspython
the -H option may be advisable for pip's cache handling.
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"ls -l
/usr/bin/python")
Mark's tests should help you narrow the problem down.
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-
e this problem using a particular
mail provider such as Gmail, or some other service? Have any of these
users posted any information to you regarding the reason their mail
service has improperly flagged these list posts?
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punctuation:
"Name, Full"
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Mailman-U
/mailman/archive/private
If you don't want your archives to be public, don't make this symbolic
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ht
un from /usr/local/mailman/bin ./check_perms -f
> >
> > 4. Run newaliases
> You don't need to run newaliases, but you do need to run Mailman's
> bin/genaliases.
>
> Assuming the new server will ultimately be accessed via the old
> servers mail and web domain
of any of the other listed
> services with which I have little or no experience.
>
>
> >
> > I want to continue to use MacHighway. They provide amazing tech
> > support to
> > a person like me who gets way in over the head on tech stuff.
> Possibly you co
ribed. This would could be
used to trigger any external processing scripts.
Thanks for your response.
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On Thu, 2016-09-15 at 13:40 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> On 09/15/2016 01:00 PM, Lindsay Haisley wrote:
> > I'm running Mailman 2.1.18-1 on a server here. I'm setting up
> > announcement only lists for an organization which logically needs
> > several sibling lists
will percolate down to the sibling lists.
How do we stand on this? I could easily do this kind of thing in a
relational database setup, and a lot of it with separate lists, scripts
and cron jobs, but I'd like to use as much of the native abilities of
Mailman as possible.
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rk!!
This was pretty much the result of my own thinking, too ;)
I shall make it so.
The only issue here is that in a few cases we have multiple lists using
the virtual domain list_hostname.tld, so the alias will have to
reference _all_ the lists using this virtual domain. This is doable.
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#x27;m not conversant with Postfix, but perhaps I can use this feature to
solve this problem.
Back to the drawing board ... :(
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misconfiguration here? The comments in the source indicate
that these token replacements insert _site_ information rather than
_list_ information, so maybe this is the expected behavior. Do I need to
set up a "mailman" address alias for _each_ virtual host on the system
so that these addresses wil
isaster, but it sure is a pain.
Our MM version is 2.1.18-1.
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his should somehow be covered in Debian's documentation and if
> it isn't that's a Debian bug. See <http://wiki.list.org/x/12812344>.
>
> As to your third question, Mailman has no problem delivering outgoing
> mail to Qmail via SMTP to port 25 on localhost, but
i.list.org/x/8486953> and
> the mailman-developers thread linked therefrom. Note that this is a Red
> Hat patch, not standard Mailman.
>
> If you want to file a bug for documentation purposes, feel free, but it
> will be marked 'won't fix - wishlist' for MM 2.1.
T
ection
is that Mailman was revised many years and versions ago to comply more
closely to the Linux FSH and that the appropriate directory is
now /var/lib/mailman/archives/public/
Should this be changed or amended? Should I file a bug?
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/software/mailman/mailman-install/node10.html>? Note
that the reference to /usr/local/mailman/archives/public/ is outdated.
Current installs on Ubuntu use /var/lib/mailman/archives/public/
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herefore any edits made directly to
> # /etc/cron.d/mailman will be lost anytime the mailman service
> # restarts.
This text isn't included in crontab.in in recent versions of Mailman. I
think this is obsolete. Did you find it somewhere else?
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the
named file. Sorry!
The bottom line is that it's best, as always, to install a component
such as a crontab using the supplied tools rather trying to second-guess
the tool set and copying files directly.
>
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On Tue, 2015-04-21 at 18:46 +0300, Danil Smirnov wrote:
> 2015-04-21 17:43 GMT+03:00 Danil Smirnov :
> > 2015-04-21 17:24 GMT+03:00 Lindsay Haisley :
> >> so a direct copy of the
> >> Mailman crontab to this directory can't be done without modifying the
>
-
> Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3
> Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.c
points got coverage. IMHO this is something about which
every mail and list admin should be aware.
>
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d.
> Why MS decided to change from IE to Word for the rendering engine is
> inexplicable - unless it was a bran-dead attempt to get people who just
> buy Outlook to buy the full Office suite (or at least Word too)...
You can bet that the decision, coming from MS, was based on business
consid
isual as well
as a textural component, just as verbal face to face communication
involves body language.
Teenage girls may indeed lead the way, just as we can learn what next
year's high fashion in womens' wear will be by observing what hookers
are wearing this year.
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, for pulling valid emails out
of false-positive captures by SpamAssassin. This is kind of the
equivalent of a browser knowing what to do with images or PDFs.
>
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; a single e-mail (and reply, archive, forward etc. etc.).
My apology.
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http://www.fmp.com
their own right.
> The overall message is multipart/mixed with maybe a text/plain part for
> digest_header, two text/plain parts for the boiler plate and the TOC,
> the multipart/digest part and maybe a text/plain part for digest_footer.
Pretty much what one would expect.
>
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ents with a MIME type of
message/rfc822, yes? If not, then IMHO they should be. If they're not,
then there's no help for it, and there's no MUA out there which will do
what Thomas suggests and T-bird's behavior is as good as it gets.
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educated human, so I've poked at a number of different versions of it
and never been able to make it behave this way.
>
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can pull them out of the
wrapper that SpamAssassin puts around them and put them into my Inbox.
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intelligent about
such things) about not filtering email that's been marked for deletion
but not yet expunged.
But this is a minor matter and rather OT for this thread.
>
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On Sun, 2015-03-22 at 11:52 -0400, Tanstaafl wrote:
> On 3/20/2015 2:48 PM, Lindsay Haisley wrote:
> > On Fri, 2015-03-20 at 14:37 -0400, Tanstaafl wrote:
> >> No, the point is you apparently can't simply acknowledge that you
> >> mis-spoke/made a mistake.
> &g
quot; button is apparently there by default when a list post
is selected. T-bird 31.4.0 is doubtless not the latest version, since
the Linux distributions on my VMs is a few years old, so the behavior
may have changed since then.
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> On Mar 21, 2015, at 10:40 PM, Jay Ashworth wrote:
>
> - Original Message -
>> From: "Lindsay Haisley"
>
>> In many mail user agents, when you press the "Reply" button the program
>> will analyze the headers, determine that the pos
rns it all to mush if I convert to plain text because of
> line wrapping problems, it's easy to become discouraged.
>
Amen!
>
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http
pple is the worst! Mac Mail is bad, and mail clients for iOS - iPhones
and iPads - are worse.
So people are going to have to forgive me (or not) if I sometimes
violate the rules of good netiquette. I cut other people a lot of slack
in this regard.
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anstaafl, it it will make you happy, I _officially_ acknowledge that I
made a mistake/mis-spoke, and I apologize to you, and to anyone else who
was confused or annoyed by what I said!
I still think you pretty much missed my point.
Can we move on now?
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