Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Gmane ?

On Wed, 27 Jan 2010 05:57:44 -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote: >John Fitzsimons wrote: >>There appears to be a problem here. I get an error. Here is what >>happened.. >>C:\>mailman-subscribers.py -c http://domain listname_domain >>password >That is not correct. The first argument is just the host name

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Gmane ?

John Fitzsimons wrote: > >There appears to be a problem here. I get an error. Here is what >happened.. > >C:\>mailman-subscribers.py -c http://domain listname_domain >password That is not correct. The first argument is just the host name (domain) without any http:// >The filename, directory nam

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Gmane ?

On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 16:33:07 -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote: >John Fitzsimons wrote: Hi Mark, < snip > >>>You can use >>>something like Jim T's and my mailman-subscribers.py script[1] to >>>screen scrape the web admin Membership List and make a .csv file of >>>the membership together with those opti

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Gmane ?

John Fitzsimons wrote: >On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 16:33:07 -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote: > >>The script is not a screen scraper in that sense. It accesses the >>list's admin Membership Management... -> Membership List pages and >>parses them to get the data. > >Via my browser, or via an FTP logon ? I am usi

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Gmane ?

On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 16:33:07 -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote: >John Fitzsimons wrote: >>Yes, the loss of user options I can live with BUT the loss of >>passwords would be a concern. In this case the Gmane subscription. >I don't think the password of the Gmane subscription to the Mailman >list is impo

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Gmane ?

John Fitzsimons wrote: > >Yes, the loss of user options I can live with BUT the loss of >passwords would be a concern. In this case the Gmane subscription. I don't think the password of the Gmane subscription to the Mailman list is important. >If I un subscribed them, then re-subscribed them,

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Gmane ?

On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 15:12:46 -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote: >John Fitzsimons wrote: < snip > >>If I did that then I could presumably start the list again. Identical >>to the previous list. But with archiving turned "off" from the >>beginning ? >The drawback is all user options/passwords/etc. get lo

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Gmane ?

John Fitzsimons wrote: > >But this does lead me to think of a few more questions. If I closed >my mailing list then wouldn't all the Mailman archive files be >deleted ? That's a cPanel question. In standard Mailman, whether you remove a list from the command line with bin/rmlist or via the rmli

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Gmane ?

On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 12:59:20 -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote: >Geoff Shang wrote: >>On Fri, 22 Jan 2010, Mark Sapiro wrote: >>> If your FTP session is not chrooted to your own home directory or some >>> other limitation, you chould be able to find them. >>But presumably not delete them. >Presumably

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Gmane ?

On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 00:42:25 +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: >Mark Sapiro writes: < snip > > > Eventually, we'll find out if it works. I suspect it does, Preliminary testing suggests that it IS working. >I do too, because larsi is not an idiot. I have to imagine that like >99% of messages

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Gmane ?

Geoff Shang wrote: >On Fri, 22 Jan 2010, Mark Sapiro wrote: > >> If your FTP session is not chrooted to your own home directory or some >> other limitation, you chould be able to find them. > >But presumably not delete them. Presumably not, but it wouldn't be the first time that people had permi

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Gmane ?

On Fri, 22 Jan 2010, Mark Sapiro wrote: On Fri, 22 Jan 2010, John Fitzsimons wrote: I would like to know how to access the archive file so that I can delete it by FTP. I cannot however find it ! Maybe my web hoster has somehow made the directory invisible ? Sorry. I missed the above query. T

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Gmane ?

Geoff Shang wrote: >On Fri, 22 Jan 2010, John Fitzsimons wrote: > >> I would like to know how to access the archive file so that I can >> delete it by FTP. I cannot however find it ! Maybe my web hoster >> has somehow made the directory invisible ? > >Mailman files are usually put somewhere other

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Gmane ?

On Fri, 22 Jan 2010, John Fitzsimons wrote: I would like to know how to access the archive file so that I can delete it by FTP. I cannot however find it ! Maybe my web hoster has somehow made the directory invisible ? Mailman files are usually put somewhere other than in your hosting area. Th

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Gmane ?

Mark Sapiro writes: > > > Hopefully Gmane waits for the reply to the list email before it > > > "accepts" the post. > > > >I'm not sure what you're asking, > > I think what John wants to happen is the following. Whether it actually > works this way or not, I don't know, but I think it migh

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Gmane ?

Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: >Mark Sapiro writes: > > > This is all irrelevant. Since the posts from Gmane are arriving via the > > NNTP gateway, no membership tests whatsoever are applied to the post - > > no list member, no moderation, no *_these_nonmembers. > >Are you sure? The way I read > >

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Gmane ?

Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: >John Fitzsimons writes: > > > >This message was delivered by email from Gmane to mailman. It was > > >apperently posted via NNTP to Gmane by the poster and then mailed by > > >Gmane to the list. > > > > Hopefully Gmane waits for the reply to the list email before it >

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Gmane ?

John Fitzsimons writes: > >This message was delivered by email from Gmane to mailman. It was > >apperently posted via NNTP to Gmane by the poster and then mailed by > >Gmane to the list. > > Hopefully Gmane waits for the reply to the list email before it > "accepts" the post. I'm not sure

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Gmane ?

Mark Sapiro writes: > This is all irrelevant. Since the posts from Gmane are arriving via the > NNTP gateway, no membership tests whatsoever are applied to the post - > no list member, no moderation, no *_these_nonmembers. Are you sure? The way I read Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Gmane ?

Mark Sapiro wrote: > >This is a Mailman bug. > [...] > >I fixed that, but the fix didn't take into account the ".mbox" URLs, >hence the bug that you see, and you have to log in first, then go to >the correct URL. I have committed a fix for this and updated the original bug report at

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Gmane ?

On Thu, 21 Jan 2010 20:17:32 -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote: >John Fitzsimons wrote: Hi Mark, < snip > >This message was delivered by email from Gmane to mailman. It was >apperently posted via NNTP to Gmane by the poster and then mailed by >Gmane to the list. Hopefully Gmane waits for the reply to

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Gmane ?

John Fitzsimons wrote: > >Worked perfectly ! Thank you. Is this all you need ? > >>From gcf-myl...@m.gmane.org Thu Jan 21 00:10:24 2010 >Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]) > by panda.hostingbay.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) > (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) > id 1N

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Gmane ?

John Fitzsimons wrote: >On Thu, 21 Jan 2010 17:18:10 -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote: > >>This is all irrelevant. Since the posts from Gmane are arriving via the >>NNTP gateway, no membership tests whatsoever are applied to the post - >>no list member, no moderation, no *_these_nonmembers. Actually, t

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Gmane ?

On Thu, 21 Jan 2010 18:21:49 -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote: >John Fitzsimons wrote: < snip > >I don't know why this is so hard, but the URL is >http://mydomain/mailman/private/mymailinglist_mydomain.mbox/mymailinglist_mydomain.mbox >Try that one. Worked perfectly ! Thank you. Is this all you need

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Gmane ?

On Thu, 21 Jan 2010 17:18:10 -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote: >John Fitzsimons wrote: Hi Mark, >>On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 00:28:57 +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: >>Could you please clarify those words ? " *If* Gmane is in the Sender >>header". The sender header appears to be the list address. >This is

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Gmane ?

John Fitzsimons wrote: > >(4) I now put the following address in... > >http://mydomain/mailman/private/mymailinglist_mydomain/mymailinglist_mydomain.mbox/mymailinglist_mydomain.mbox > >and get... > >"Private archive file not found" I don't know why this is so hard, but the URL is http://mydomai

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Gmane ?

On Thu, 21 Jan 2010 17:09:20 -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote: >>If I do what you did above and use .. >>http://mydomain/mailman/private/mymailinglist/mymailinglist.mbox/mymailinglist.mbox >>I get "No such list" mymailinglist. >As I have tried to say before, >>>where mydomain is your host name and m

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Gmane ?

William Bagwell wrote: > >Tried your 'corrected' link in a diffrent browser, got the authentication >page, logged in with user name and password and promptly got the "Private >archive file not found" error again. Looked at the URL and it was now >missing the first .mbox. Opened a new tab, pasted

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Gmane ?

John Fitzsimons wrote: >On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 00:28:57 +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > >Could you please clarify those words ? " *If* Gmane is in the Sender >header". The sender header appears to be the list address. This is all irrelevant. Since the posts from Gmane are arriving via the NNTP

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Gmane ?

John Fitzsimons wrote: > >If I do what you did above and use .. > >http://mydomain/mailman/private/mymailinglist/mymailinglist.mbox/mymailinglist.mbox > >I get "No such list" mymailinglist. As I have tried to say before, >>where mydomain is your host name and mymailinglist is the cPanel list >>n

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Gmane ?

On Thu, 21 Jan 2010 19:29:50 -0500, William Bagwell wrote: >On Wednesday 20 January 2010, William Bagwell wrote: >> On Wednesday 20 January 2010, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> > John Fitzsimons wrote: < snip > >> > It translates to >> > http://mydomain/mailman/private/mymailinglist/mymailinglist.mbox/

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Gmane ?

On Wednesday 20 January 2010, William Bagwell wrote: > On Wednesday 20 January 2010, Mark Sapiro wrote: > > John Fitzsimons wrote: > > >Private archive file not found > > > > It translates to > > > > http://mydomain/mailman/private/mymailinglist/mymailinglist.mbox/myma > >il inglist.mbox > > > > wh

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Gmane ?

On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 00:28:57 +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: >John Fitzsimons writes: Hi Stephen, < snip > > > >Gmane runs a news server, but that is not how it gateways mailing > > >lists. Mailman's Mail<->News gateway is irrelevant unless you or your > > >ISP has configured it; Gmane can'

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Gmane ?

John Fitzsimons wrote: >On Thu, 21 Jan 2010 16:38:23 +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > >>Gmane runs a news server, but that is not how it gateways mailing >>lists. Mailman's Mail<->News gateway is irrelevant unless you or your >>ISP has configured it; Gmane can't do that for you. > >Well, I co

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Gmane ?

John Fitzsimons writes: > On Thu, 21 Jan 2010 16:38:23 +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > > >John Fitzsimons writes: > > Hi Stephen, > > < snip > > > >Gmane runs a news server, but that is not how it gateways mailing > >lists. Mailman's Mail<->News gateway is irrelevant unless you

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Gmane ?

William Bagwell writes: > On Thursday 21 January 2010, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > > The only control you have is to use Mailman filters on incoming posts. > > Until somebody tells us what headers Gmane provides to identify > > itself, we can only guess at what might work. > > X-Injected-Vi

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Gmane ?

On Jan 21, 2010, at 02:26 AM, John Fitzsimons wrote: >I am not sure whether you could get/see the source code for either of >these BUT in any case they might give you a few ideas. Even though not >exactly what we have been discussing. > >http://henmedia.de/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Gmane ?

On Thu, 21 Jan 2010 16:38:23 +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: >John Fitzsimons writes: Hi Stephen, < snip > >Gmane runs a news server, but that is not how it gateways mailing >lists. Mailman's Mail<->News gateway is irrelevant unless you or your >ISP has configured it; Gmane can't do that fo

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Gmane ?

On Thursday 21 January 2010, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > The only control you have is to use Mailman filters on incoming posts. > Until somebody tells us what headers Gmane provides to identify > itself, we can only guess at what might work. X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Seems to be th

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Gmane ?

John Fitzsimons writes: > Well, has anyone here with a Gmane newsgroup deleted the Gmane email > subscription and seen whether Mailman's Mail<->News gateway sends > messages in both directions okay ? Gmane runs a news server, but that is not how it gateways mailing lists. Mailman's Mail<->New

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Gmane ?

On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 18:12:08 -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote: >John Fitzsimons wrote: < snip > >>In other words, does anyone here know whether the Gmane subscription >>is needed ? >Presumably it is needed if you are gatewaing from Mailman to Gmane >because that's how messages get to Gmane from Mailma

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Gmane ?

On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 01:47:09 -0500, Terri Oda wrote: >John Fitzsimons wrote: Hi Terri, >> I have also contributed to public, and private, newsgroup servers for >> more than ten years now. However, I am not a unix expert and I do >> not have root access to a unix server. >Incidentally, if th

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Gmane ?

John Fitzsimons wrote: >On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 16:51:21 -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote: > >>John Fitzsimons wrote: > >< snip > > >>>If I try your address I think it would translate to.. > >>>http://mydomain/mailman/private/mymailinglist/mymailinglist/.mbox > >>>I then get.. > >>>xxmailinglist Private

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Gmane ?

On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 16:51:21 -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote: >John Fitzsimons wrote: < snip > >>If I try your address I think it would translate to.. >>http://mydomain/mailman/private/mymailinglist/mymailinglist/.mbox >>I then get.. >>xxmailinglist Private Archives Authentication >>Then... >

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Gmane ?

William Bagwell wrote: >On Wednesday 20 January 2010, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> >> It translates to >> >> http://mydomain/mailman/private/mymailinglist/mymailinglist.mbox/mymailinglist.mbox >> >> where mydomain is your host name and mymailinglist is the cPanel list >> name of the form listname_mydomai

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Gmane ?

On Wednesday 20 January 2010, Mark Sapiro wrote: > John Fitzsimons wrote: > >Private archive file not found > > It translates to > > http://mydomain/mailman/private/mymailinglist/mymailinglist.mbox/mymail >inglist.mbox > > where mydomain is your host name and mymailinglist is the cPanel list > nam

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Gmane ?

John Fitzsimons wrote: > >If I try your address I think it would translate to.. > >http://mydomain/mailman/private/mymailinglist/mymailinglist/.mbox > >I then get.. > >xxmailinglist Private Archives Authentication > >Then... > >Private archive file not found It translates to http://mydomain

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Gmane ?

On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 15:31:06 -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote: >John Fitzsimons wrote: Hi Mark, < snip > >>>I think you can see a full, raw message from Gmane if your list has >>>archives. For a cPanel list x...@example.com, you would go to >>>http://example.com/mailman/private/xyz_example.com.mbox/xy

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Gmane ?

John Fitzsimons wrote: >On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 10:42:43 -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote: > >>John Fitzsimons wrote: > >>>Does anyone here know what actually goes to Mailman from Gmane ? > >>I think you are in the best position to answer that. > >Er. No. I don't. I don't have root access to my hosted server

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Gmane ?

On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 10:42:43 -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote: >John Fitzsimons wrote: >>Does anyone here know what actually goes to Mailman from Gmane ? >I think you are in the best position to answer that. Er. No. I don't. I don't have root access to my hosted server, and have no idea where my Mailm

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Gmane ?

John Fitzsimons wrote: > >Does anyone here know what actually goes to Mailman from Gmane ? I think you are in the best position to answer that. >(1) Is it simply an email, with Gmane as the sender ? With no mention >of the newsgroup poster in any of the headers ? I assume it is an email unles

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Gmane ?

On Tue, 19 Jan 2010 23:35:32 -0500, Barry Warsaw wrote: >On Jan 20, 2010, at 03:11 PM, John Fitzsimons wrote: Hi Barry, < snip > >Hey, if there's stuff we can steal or integrate with, all the better! I have >a saying: "the best bass amp there is, is the one you don't have to bring". :) I am

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Gmane ?

John Fitzsimons wrote: I have also contributed to public, and private, newsgroup servers for more than ten years now. However, I am not a unix expert and I do not have root access to a unix server. Incidentally, if the problem is just one of access to a unix machine, the Systers group had a

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Gmane ?

On Tue, 19 Jan 2010 23:35:32 -0500, Barry Warsaw wrote: >On Jan 20, 2010, at 03:11 PM, John Fitzsimons wrote: Hi Barry, >>Yes, but there are "resources" for people to create web forums. >>"Resources" for people to create emailers. "Resources" for people to >>create bloggs etc. >I mean "people

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Gmane ?

On Jan 19, 2010, at 08:23 PM, Carl Zwanzig wrote: >On 1/19/2010 8:11 PM, John Fitzsimons wrote: > >> If you mean that Mailman could provide NNTP access to it's message >> store then that would be great !!! > >Here's the catch- mailman is a mailing list manager (or remailer, if you >prefer), not a

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Gmane ?

On Jan 20, 2010, at 03:11 PM, John Fitzsimons wrote: >Hi Barry, Hi John, >Yes, but there are "resources" for people to create web forums. >"Resources" for people to create emailers. "Resources" for people to >create bloggs etc. I mean "people to hack code". :) >> I like Gmane personally, but I

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Gmane ?

On 1/19/2010 8:11 PM, John Fitzsimons wrote: If you mean that Mailman could provide NNTP access to it's message store then that would be great !!! Here's the catch- mailman is a mailing list manager (or remailer, if you prefer), not a message storage system, so it doesn't -have- a persistent

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Gmane ?

On Tue, 19 Jan 2010 22:23:17 -0500, Barry Warsaw wrote: >On Jan 20, 2010, at 11:14 AM, John Fitzsimons wrote: Hi Barry, >>It is a pity that nobody in the open source community is interested in >>creating an NNTP server that someone, who isn't a unix expert, could >>install on a "hosted" web sit

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Gmane ?

On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 00:57:33 +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: >John Fitzsimons writes: < snip > > > I shouldn't have got that second email, or had my newsgroup post > > forwarded to the newsgroup. > > Can anyone here suggest where the problem may be please ? >List membership is easy to spoof

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Gmane ?

On Jan 20, 2010, at 11:14 AM, John Fitzsimons wrote: >It is a pity that nobody in the open source community is interested in >creating an NNTP server that someone, who isn't a unix expert, could >install on a "hosted" web site. :-( I wouldn't say no one is interested, but there doesn't seem to b

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Gmane ?

John Fitzsimons writes: > >List membership is easy to spoof anyway. > > Umm. I was beginning to wonder about that. I am familiar with usenet > spoofing but hadn't thought deeply enough about that situation in > email. :-( > > If I understand you correctly then anyone can post to any un

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Gmane ?

On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 00:57:33 +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: >John Fitzsimons writes: Hi Stephen, > > Then I got the next Gmane email... > > "You are now authorized to post to the > > xx newsgroup." etc. > > I shouldn't have got that second email, or had my newsgroup post

[Mailman-Users] Mailman and Gmane ?

John Fitzsimons writes: > Then I got the next Gmane email... > > "You are now authorized to post to the > xx newsgroup." etc. > > I shouldn't have got that second email, or had my newsgroup post > forwarded to the newsgroup. > Can anyone here suggest where the problem ma

[Mailman-Users] Mailman and Gmane ?

I am hoping that someone here has an account with Gmane. This is what I did. Doing beta testing. I posted to my newsgroup from an address that is NOT on my mailing list. I then got the Gmane "Authorization required " email which starts.. This is a non-public mailing list, which means that you