Re: [Mailman-Users] non-subscriber managed to post to a subscriberonly list

2009-01-27 Thread Grant Taylor
On 01/26/09 21:13, Brad Knowles wrote: Even if they were infected with malware, those programs could easily use a different outbound route than the normal mail sent by that person. So, such a test might turn up something interesting, but then again it doesn't prove anything if it doesn't.

Re: [Mailman-Users] non-subscriber managed to post to a subscriberonly list

2009-01-26 Thread Mark Sapiro
Steve Lindemann wrote: Lindsay Haisley wrote: Is it possible that the list mod or admin password got out? I believe than anyone can post to a moderated list by putting an Approved: password header or pseudo-header in a post. I'm on one of the lists that accepted the message (which is how it

Re: [Mailman-Users] non-subscriber managed to post to a subscriberonly list

2009-01-26 Thread Steve Lindemann
Mark Sapiro wrote: Steve Lindemann wrote: Lindsay Haisley wrote: Is it possible that the list mod or admin password got out? I believe than anyone can post to a moderated list by putting an Approved: password header or pseudo-header in a post. I'm on one of the lists that accepted the

Re: [Mailman-Users] non-subscriber managed to post to a subscriberonly list

2009-01-26 Thread Mark Sapiro
Steve Lindemann wrote: Mark Sapiro wrote: All the headers of the spam post. In a default installation, if any of From:, Reply-To: or Sender: headers or the envelope sender as reflected in the Unix From or Return-Path: header contains a member address, the post will be deemed from that member.

Re: [Mailman-Users] non-subscriber managed to post to a subscriberonly list

2009-01-26 Thread Steve Lindemann
Mark Sapiro wrote: Right. That's why you have to look at the raw archive mbox file (not the html archive or the periodic .txt or .txt.gz file). That's the only place that will have the original envelope sender in the From separator and the original Sender:. Thanks! Got it! They spoofed a

Re: [Mailman-Users] non-subscriber managed to post to a subscriberonly list

2009-01-26 Thread Lindsay Haisley
On Mon, 2009-01-26 at 15:26 -0700, Steve Lindemann wrote: Thanks! Got it! They spoofed a legitimate list member on the Return-Path:, which also showed up on the first (From ) message header line. Both of these reflect the envelope sender address used in the SMTP dialog with the mail server.

Re: [Mailman-Users] non-subscriber managed to post to a subscriberonly list

2009-01-26 Thread Grant Taylor
On 01/26/09 16:26, Steve Lindemann wrote: Thanks! Got it! They spoofed a legitimate list member on the Return-Path:, which also showed up on the first (From ) message header line. The From:, Reply-To: reflected the purported spammer and there was no Sender: in the raw mbox file. The good

Re: [Mailman-Users] non-subscriber managed to post to a subscriberonly list

2009-01-26 Thread Grant Taylor
On 01/26/09 16:38, Lindsay Haisley wrote: Both of these reflect the envelope sender address used in the SMTP dialog with the mail server. *nod* You can restrict the set of headers used to identify subscribers using the SENDER_HEADERS variable in mm_cfg.py, as Mark indicated. By default (in

Re: [Mailman-Users] non-subscriber managed to post to a subscriberonly list

2009-01-26 Thread Lindsay Haisley
On Mon, 2009-01-26 at 16:49 -0600, Grant Taylor wrote: Is there a way that we can require some of these things (if they exist) to match each other? I.e. to require the 'from' and the 'reply-to' to match? This might not be such a good idea. A Reply-To header is optional is generally used if

Re: [Mailman-Users] non-subscriber managed to post to a subscriberonly list

2009-01-26 Thread Grant Taylor
On 01/26/09 16:49, Taylor, Grant wrote: Is there a way that we can require some of these things (if they exist) to match each other? I.e. to require the 'from' and the 'reply-to' to match? Ugh! It's been a *LONG* day. ... I.e. to require the 'from' and the 'return-path' Grant. .

Re: [Mailman-Users] non-subscriber managed to post to a subscriberonly list

2009-01-26 Thread Russell Clemings
-- Forwarded message -- From: Steve Lindemann st...@marmot.org To: mailman-users@python.org Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 15:26:53 -0700 Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] non-subscriber managed to post to a subscriberonly list Mark Sapiro wrote: Right. That's why you have to look at the raw archive

Re: [Mailman-Users] non-subscriber managed to post to a subscriberonly list

2009-01-26 Thread Brad Knowles
on 1/26/09 4:49 PM, Grant Taylor said: I would be willing to bet that the spoofed member is really the source of the message. I would not be at all surprised if that members computer has malware on it that sent the email (after harvesting it from the address book) via the default email