Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce processing

> -Original Message- > From: Mailman-Users bounces+brian=emwd@python.org> On Behalf Of Mark Sapiro > Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2019 10:22 PM > To: mailman-users@python.org > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce processing > > On 1/19/19 2:41 PM, Kenneth G. Go

Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce processing

On 1/19/19 2:41 PM, Kenneth G. Gordon wrote: > Over the past several weeks, I have received many reports from Mailman > concerning too > many bounces from certain subscribers who are normally very active on one of > my forums. > > All of these "Bounce Action Notification"'s appear to be coming

Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce processing

On January 19, 2019 18:00:35 "Kenneth G. Gordon" wrote: Over the past several weeks, I have received many reports from Mailman concerning too many bounces from certain subscribers who are normally very active on one of my forums. All of these "Bounce Action Notification"'s appear to be comi

Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce processing

On 1/19/19 5:41 PM, Kenneth G. Gordon wrote: > Over the past several weeks, I have received many reports from Mailman > concerning too > many bounces from certain subscribers who are normally very active on one of > my forums. > > All of these "Bounce Action Notification"'s appear to be coming f

Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce processing

On 05/31/2017 07:42 AM, Ruben Safir wrote: > > I thought that it would unsubscribe the dead email addresses without > needing my notifications It will eventually. There are several things going on. Your original post showed bounces all from 5/31. Bounce processing only increments the score once

Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce processing

On 05/31/2017 10:32 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > ... >> But I'm not getting bounce processing that I expect. I lot of hard >> bounces are not being caught. I set bounce level to 3 >> >> These are hard bounces: > ... > > > Is bounce processing not working or do you just think it's not working > beca

Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce processing

On 05/31/2017 01:36 AM, Ruben Safir wrote: > I changed my aliases to something like this > > # STANZA START: hangout > # CREATED: Sat Apr 15 12:09:33 2017 ... > hangout-leavemealone:"|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman owner hangout" If you don't have a deliverable hangout-owner alias you will re

Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce Processing

Mark, Your suggestion seems to be just what the doctor ordered. I have a happy subscriber who isn't in the mood to lock horns with the less than responsive IT team at his company. Thank you and everyone else who chimed in. -- Rich On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 9:15 AM, Richard Robbins wrote: > Tha

Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce Processing

That makes great sense. I will give it a shot. I'm still trying to figure our why this particular problem only cropped up when I changed mailman hosts but I don't have access to the old host details to see if there are differences between how I set up the program then as opposed to now. On Thu,

Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce Processing

On 04/21/2016 03:42 AM, Richard Robbins wrote: > Thanks. You've all given me much appreciated assistance. One further thought. If the only concern is the user's being unsubscribed, you/he can set his "Receive your own posts to the list?" option (not metoo in the web admin Membership List) to N

Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce Processing

Thanks. You've all given me much appreciated assistance. On Wednesday, April 20, 2016, Mark Sapiro wrote: > Mark Sapiro wrote: > > > There are two separate issues here. He cannot send to Mailman and > > Mailman can't send to him. The first causes him to get the rejections as > > above and the o

Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce Processing

Mark Sapiro wrote: > There are two separate issues here. He cannot send to Mailman and > Mailman can't send to him. The first causes him to get the rejections as > above and the other causes Mailman's bounce processing to unsubscribe him. I partially misinterpreted the situation. I have received

Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce Processing

> -Original Message- > From: Mailman-Users [mailto:mailman-users- > bounces+brian=emwd@python.org] On Behalf Of Stephen J. Turnbull > Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2016 10:03 PM > To: Richard Robbins > Cc: mailman-users@python.org > Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bounce Processing > > Richard

Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce Processing

On 04/19/2016 05:28 PM, Richard Robbins wrote: > I recently switched my mailman host to a new provider. One of my users is > now encountering problems that he hasn't had before. When he sends a > message to a list an error message is generated that is in the following > form: > > From: Mail Deli

Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce processing

On 02/29/2016 12:48 PM, Keith Seyffarth wrote: > > I haven't had any problems with my many low-volume lists correctly > removing dead addresses - as long as the receiving MTA is not configured > to not bounce undeliverable mail properly... It depends on the list and settings. The defaults are bo

Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce processing -WAS a different thread entirely

>> Shouldn't mailman (or any good mailing list server) be automatically >> removing bouncing addresses? > > > Mailman is very good at this IF it is properly configured. There are > list settings under control of the list admin. The defaults are > reasonable for lists that moderate to high traffic

Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce processing -WAS a different thread entirely

On 02/29/2016 07:44 AM, Keith Seyffarth wrote: > > Shouldn't mailman (or any good mailing list server) be automatically > removing bouncing addresses? Mailman is very good at this IF it is properly configured. There are list settings under control of the list admin. The defaults are reasonable f

Re: [Mailman-Users] bounce processing

On 09/03/2014 11:34 AM, Andrew Watson wrote: > Thanks for your help. > The version is 2.1.10 > I enabled the subscriber at the administrative interface under Member > Management under Membership List (I unchecked the nomail box, which had > a [B] next to it). > I dont think I have a non-standard M

Re: [Mailman-Users] bounce processing

On 09/03/2014 07:16 AM, Andrew Watson wrote: > On Aug 29 2014 I disabled bounce processing for my list. > On Sep 2 2014 I re-enabled the subscription of a subscriber who had been > disabled. > On Sep 3 2014 the subscriber received the message below: (list name deleted) > > Why is this happening a

Re: [Mailman-Users] bounce processing not removing members

On 12/14/2013 07:45 PM, Ricardo Kleemann wrote: > is there a way to configure via "withlist" instead of the web admin? Yes, you can configure anything with withlist, but just setting one or a few list attributes is easier with config_list. Also, see the script at

Re: [Mailman-Users] bounce processing not removing members

is there a way to configure via "withlist" instead of the web admin? On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 12/14/2013 11:11 AM, Ricardo Kleemann wrote: > > > > For example, I'll see this message: > > > > List: xyz > > Member: > > Action: Subscription d

Re: [Mailman-Users] bounce processing not removing members

On 12/14/2013 11:11 AM, Ricardo Kleemann wrote: > > For example, I'll see this message: > > List: xyz > Member: > Action: Subscription disabled. > Reason: Excessive or fatal bounces. > > If I check the member list for that particular email address, it still is > th

Re: [Mailman-Users] bounce processing not removing members

Hi, I have a large list (>50,000) which processes a large number of bounces and also supposedly disables subscriptions after excessive bounces. However, even after seeing a "subscription disabled" message, if I check the member list, the address is still in there. Doesn't "subscriptin disabled"

Re: [Mailman-Users] bounce processing / bounce score

On 07/06/2013 04:34 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > Dave Blakemore writes: > > > Specifically I have one user who is not receiving notes > > ... > I'm not sure how you can check for invisible characters > (like space and tab), Mark would know. For some time, Mailman has not allowed subscripti

Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce Processing Problem

I figured out what is happening and there is no help for it. The seeming inconsistency is because when I send mail to the list, I authenticate as the account owner so, the headers are not rewritten. When other members send messages to the list it still authenticates with my account, thus the header

Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce Processing Problem

On 3/1/2013 7:28 AM, Dennis Putnam wrote: > I have been having trouble with bounce processing. Bounced messages are being > sent to the list admin (not uncaught bounces). Please send me a complete, raw copy of one such bounce as received by the list owner. Note that I'm guessing based on recent

Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce processing for low/sporadic traffic

On 4/11/12 6:07 PM, Adam Clark wrote: >> From what I can gather from the docs, the bounce score: > * is incremented (by .5 or 1) each day there is a bounce Actually, only by 1. Contrary to the docs, retryable failures (4xx status, SMTP errors) are simply queued and retried. Only permanent failure

Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce Processing and User Notifications

Ian Prietz wrote: > >We have a Mailman service that is hosted. I previously asked a question re: >Bounce notifications. Mark indirectly suggested that I change my bounce >processing score to <=1. I think what I am going to do for initial testing is >set the bounce score to .5. That way I will be

Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce processing

Ian Gray wrote: > >The client wants to receive bounces. However I am aware that mailman >usually handles these. I think he wants the member to be automatically >disabled when a bounce is received and for him to receive that. If this is what the client wants, See below. >Here is some info on the

Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce processing not working - Update

On 8/12/2009 2:02 PM, Lindsay Haisley wrote: > The Gentoo init script for mailman is pretty simple. It executes, as > user 'mailman', "mailmanctl -s start", "mailmanctl stop" and "mailmanctl > restart" for the standard init script arguments of start, stop and > restart. That's all. Mine stopped

Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce processing not working - Update

On Wed, 2009-08-12 at 13:02 -0500, Lindsay Haisley wrote: > I found a thread on the Gentoo bug reporting list which discusses > compatibility issues between Mailman 2.1.11 and Python 2.6, also > possibly 2.5 (which I'm running on these boxes). Gentoo is > distributing mm 2.1.11 with stable as of y

Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce processing not working - Update

Mark, thanks for your knowledgeable and _very_ helpful post! On Wed, 2009-08-12 at 09:41 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: > Lindsay Haisley wrote: > >First, an egregious number of "Bounce action notifications" and "list > >unsubscribe notifications" went out on bounces for lists on which I'm > >listed as

Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce processing not working - Update

Lindsay Haisley wrote: >I restarted (twice) the qrunner suite of processes from the system >command line using the system init scripts (/etc/init.d/mailman) with >two noticeable results. > >First, an egregious number of "Bounce action notifications" and "list >unsubscribe notifications" went out o

Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce processing not working

Lindsay Haisley Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 13:02:55 -0500 To: mailman-users@python.org Cc: Slim Richey >I have a list (several lists, actually) running on Mailman 2.1.11 and it >looks as if bounce processing is broken. On the list in question, the >following are set: > >bounce_processi

Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce processing not working - Update

I restarted (twice) the qrunner suite of processes from the system command line using the system init scripts (/etc/init.d/mailman) with two noticeable results. First, an egregious number of "Bounce action notifications" and "list unsubscribe notifications" went out on bounces for lists on which I

Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce processing not working - Update

I restarted (twice) the qrunner suite of processes from the system command line using the system init scripts (/etc/init.d/mailman) with two noticeable results. First, an egregious number of "Bounce action notifications" and "list unsubscribe notifications" went out on bounces for lists on which I

Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce processing off but still receiving bounce messages

Dave Bevis wrote: >I have a list set up that the membership changes on the fly. When an >email is sent out, the current list is removed and a new list is >uploaded. I have turned bounce processing off but I am still >receiving bounce messages. Is there a way to turn bounce processing >off

Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce Processing

Ivan Sanders wrote: > >I'm a new Mailman admin, with 11 lists to look after. The area I want to >tie down is bounce processing. What I'm looking for, is for every message >which doesn't make it to it's destination (ie mailbox full) for an advice >message to come back to the administrator (which

Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce processing questions (feature, or bug?)

The esteemed Barry Finkel has said: > > Hank van Cleef <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote, in part, > > >Basically, mail to verizon.net addresses failed and bounced for a 24 > >hour period on the 12th. Service appeared to have been restored on > >the 13th. Again, yesterday (the 18th), Verizon quit recei

Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce processing questions (feature, or bug?)

Barry Finkel writes: > Hank van Cleef <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote, in part, > It seems to me that > > stat=Service unavailable > > means that the inbound mailer is not available at the moment. The problem that we're facing is that there are a few people who don't think[1] that the RFC

Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce processing questions (feature, or bug?)

Barry Finkel wrote: >Hank van Cleef <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote, in part, > >> >>For the four days June 13-17, mail went verizon.net normally, >>dsn-2.0.0, stat=Sent >> >>Two Verizon users have contacted me and told me that they had received >>no mail from our list since the 11th; that they had co

Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce processing questions (feature, or bug?)

Hank van Cleef <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote, in part, >The background scenario is that I have been experiencing the "now you >see it/now you don't" big-consumer-internet mail service spam >blocking. This week it is Verizon.net. > >Basically, mail to verizon.net addresses failed and bounced for a 2

Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce processing questions (feature, or bug?)

Hank van Cleef wrote: > >However, I've also gotten about fifty other bounce disables on the 2.0 >score. Some investigation shows that affected users had accumulated >two bounces several months ago, but none since. From what I see in >the bounce logs still in my rotation, it appears that the bounc

Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce Processing Emails

On 12/11/07, Cyndi Norwitz wrote: > Now that my main lists were migrated to Mailman today, I discovered that > notifications of bounces are being sent to my catch-all mailbox. For some > reason, MM makes up a To: address. > > Here's an example: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] No, Mailman is not making

Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce Processing -- Disable/Removal Notification

Greg Sims wrote: > >I believe you have the problem narrowed down. Here are the answers to your >questions: > >Do these entries say "sending listname list probe to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >(score 5.0 >= 5.0)"? >>> Yes > >Is VERP_PROBES = Yes in mm_cfg.py (or is this Mailman 2.1.5 where VERP >probes was u

Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce Processing -- Disable/Removal Notification

Mark, I believe you have the problem narrowed down. Here are the answers to your questions: Do these entries say "sending listname list probe to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (score 5.0 >= 5.0)"? >> Yes Is VERP_PROBES = Yes in mm_cfg.py (or is this Mailman 2.1.5 where VERP probes was unconditionally on)? >

Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce Processing -- Disable/Removal Notification

Greg Sims wrote: >We have a newsletter type list that has been running for almost two years >now. The list currently has 1,100 members who receive one email each >morning. The Bounce Configuration page for this list is configured as >follows: Yes, 5.0, 30, 2, 7, Yes, Yes, Yes which I believe may

Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce processing

John Mellon wrote: > >My ISP has created a Mailman mailing list service, which is working fine, >except for one problem: > >As list moderator/administrator, if I send an email to my subscribers, and >some subscribers have bad email addresses, I would like to receive a list of >those addresses that

Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce processing

On 8/1/07, Trevor Dodds wrote: > Is there anything I can check to see why this process is not working? Check your queue runners to see if they're working. It's not directly related to what you're talking about, but there's a good set of troubleshooting suggestions in FAQ 4.78 that should be m

Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce processing

Trevor Dodds wrote: > >The problem is that on the 25 July I had 2000 users accounts set to >disabled as they reached the threshold of 3.0 warning emails were sent >out. Nothing has happened since no second warning message also the >accounts haven't been unsubscribed. Once delivery is disabled by

Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce processing doesn't work

Hello Mark. Mark Sapiro, Freitag, 3. März 2006 20:36: > >> VERP_PERSONALIZED_DELIVERIES =3D Yes > >> > >> in mm_cfg.py to enhance bounce recognition. > > > >I have already thought about this. But I was not sure if this > > might be a problem to my postfix MTA. I have no idea if my > > postfix ca

Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce processing doesn't work

Andre Tann wrote: > >> Since you already have enabled full personalization for the list, >> you can at no extra cost set >> >> VERP_PERSONALIZED_DELIVERIES =3D Yes >> >> in mm_cfg.py to enhance bounce recognition. > >I have already thought about this. But I was not sure if this might >be a problem

Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce processing doesn't work

Hello Mark, Mark Sapiro, Freitag, 3. März 2006 00:02: > Are you sure? Are there no entries at all in the 'bounce' log > other than the 'unrecognized' ones. Thanks for that hint. I was looking in /var/log/... , but there were no log entries from mailman. Now I know better where to look. And ye

Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce processing doesn't work

Andre Tann > >I have set up a mailing list with about 500 addresses. Everything >woks fine, except the bounce processing. Mailman does not recognise >one single bounce. Are you sure? Are there no entries at all in the 'bounce' log other than the 'unrecognized' ones. >It sends a mail to me inst

Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce Processing Settings

Christopher Adams wrote: > >So, my question is- using my current settings, do rejection messages to >non-members generate any bounce traffic? The logs show a message sent to >a bogus user, but it seems to end there - no mailman log activity. The reject message itself may bounce if the non-member

Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce Processing Settings

Mark, Thank you for the reply. I think I understand it now. So, alot of the traffic related to bounces is being generated by spammers sending to the list-bounces addresses. I will also adjust the bounce processing for the little-used lists to cut down a bit on the interaction with actual subsc

Re: [Mailman-Users] bounce processing settings

Christopher Adams wrote: >There seems to be lots more spam/bounce activity lately and I >am wondering if I should consider changing the way bounce behaves. If you're thinking about 'unrecognized bounces' due to spam being sent to the list-bounces address, your bounce processing settings won't a

Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce processing

kate griffiths wrote: >Can anyone give me some advice about the bounce processing function of the >mailman lists? Can I configure the list so that it does not automatically >disable/unsubscribe people for excessive bounces? Should this be done by >switching to 'no' in the section that asks 'S

Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce Processing

Bill Morse wrote: >Is there any way the administrator of a list (used for announcements only) >to receive bounce notifications without the member receiving a disabled >account notification? If you want to keep automated bounce processing, then no or at least not in every case (if a user is bounci

Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce Processing Problems

At 11:35 AM -0400 2005-09-01, Paul Rubin wrote: >Since about 12/2004 The bounce processor consumes most of the memory in > the system and sometimes all of the CPU. One thing was just brought to my attention -- you didn't mention in this post whether or not you were looking for help

Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce Processing Problems

On Thu 2005-09-01 (18:28), Brad Knowles wrote: > Try moving the current "bounce" directory to something like > "bounce.old", and create a new one with the same ownership and > permissions, then stop and restart Mailman. I'd be willing to bet > that directory lock contention has been a *hu

Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce Processing Problems

At 11:35 AM -0400 2005-09-01, Paul Rubin wrote: > *Contacting the bug forum on Source forge and being told that bounce > processing is a problem that they hope to have time to fix in 2.1.6 (see > 1077587) Note that 2.1.6 has already been shipped, and it did make some notable impr

Re: [Mailman-Users] bounce processing on seldom-used list

On Thu, 12 May 2005, Heather Madrone wrote: >> Any suggestions on how to hack in even some basic "here's a list of people >> that >> bounced on this mailing for this list" functionality? Even something outside >> of mailman itself? > > If you set the bounce threshold to 0.9, then members who hav

Re: [Mailman-Users] bounce processing on seldom-used list

At 1:57 AM -0400 5/13/05, Charles Sprickman wrote: >But this situation was kind of unique... It's a large list, but it does not >get used more than 5 or 6 times a year. The list owner would like to know when >someone is bouncing, but right after the first bounce. Is there any way to do >that? I

Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce processing

Doc Schneider wrote: Can Mailman, when it gets a bounce, send the bounce to the listowner and not process it? Alls I can find is the option to turn off (and discard) bounce processing. You can change the listname-bounces alias to be the same as the listname-owner alias. I've got a list that is

Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce processing per user

At 9:10 PM +0200 2005-03-05, Jason Filby wrote: Is it possible to set bounce settings for a specific user? Not that I know of. I have a user whose account bounces mails if over 25kb. This causes him to be disabled from the list when

RE: [Mailman-Users] Bounce processing

s, 10 de Noviembre de 2004 18:27 Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Asunto: Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce processing On 11/9/2004 17:59, "Mark Sapiro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > However, a list member's autoresponder normally doesn't result in a > recognized bounce. Are y

Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce processing

On 11/9/2004 17:59, "Mark Sapiro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > However, a list member's autoresponder normally doesn't result in a > recognized bounce. Are you sure that's the issue? People are remarkably creative in the making of broken autoresponders. --John -

Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce processing

Alexis wrote: >Hi all, is there anyway to avoid account disable/remove by bounce processing >based on domains? > >This is, we have announcement lists and some of our users have autorespond >messages and get disabled/removed from the lists, we want to avoid bounce >processing for our domain. I'm c

RE: [Mailman-Users] Bounce processing query

> Did you mean to reply off list??? No Sorry! > Are the outgoing messages VERP'd? Just a thought, but perhaps > they are sent with a VERP like envelope and when returned, > the MTA doesn't know how to deliver them. I had added VERP_PERSONALIZED_DELIVERIES to my mm_cfg (but one of the other optio

Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce processing query

Rob Hackney wrote: > >I know that a lot of this question may appear to be more a postfix/ >procmail issue, Yep (does mail to listname-bounces get delivered properly to mailman?) >but I wanted to check on the process Mailman does for >bounces. > Mailman receives the bounce and processes it acco

Re: [Mailman-Users] bounce processing

> "KC" == Kevin Crawford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: KC> I subscribed a test user, non existant one...it has about15 KC> bounces to it - and still going... I would like fatal bounces KC> to stop on the 3rd try - no logic - as this is a low volume KC> information only list. A

RE: [Mailman-Users] bounce processing

PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] bounce processing At 10:33 PM 5/9/02 -0400, Kevin Crawford wrote: >Not sure I understand how the bounce proc works... >I have a test list going - sending posts to it - since a few days ago - >maybe just 5 per day or so > >I subscribed a

Re: [Mailman-Users] bounce processing

At 10:33 PM 5/9/02 -0400, Kevin Crawford wrote: >Not sure I understand how the bounce proc works... >I have a test list going - sending posts to it - since a few days ago - >maybe just 5 per day or so > >I subscribed a test user, non existant one...it has about15 bounces to it - >and still going..

RE: [Mailman-Users] bounce processing

my own post - not getting anywhere, is this feature for real in 2.0.10? or is it tbd? (bounce handling) Does Mailman auto unsub unknwn user errors? - does it do it on the fly, or once a day or week, month or year? I see the bounce log changing - but still the bounces flow thanks, Puzzled -Or