Re: [Mailman-Users] From field displayed by MS Outlook

2004-01-22 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Thu, 2004-01-22 at 16:48, Brad Knowles wrote: > At 4:26 PM -0500 2004/01/22, Barry Warsaw wrote: > > > Who's the agent responsible for the actual transmission of the message? > > Is Mailman acting as this agent? Arguably not. > > I disagree. I believe that this is exactly the role th

Re: [Mailman-Users] From field displayed by MS Outlook

2004-01-22 Thread Brad Knowles
At 4:26 PM -0500 2004/01/22, Barry Warsaw wrote: Who's the agent responsible for the actual transmission of the message? Is Mailman acting as this agent? Arguably not. I disagree. I believe that this is exactly the role that Mailman is fulfilling. One other thing. Mailman also adds an Err

Re: [Mailman-Users] From field displayed by MS Outlook

2004-01-22 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Thu, 2004-01-22 at 15:39, Richard Barrett wrote: > And I did not say it would. Nor is it necessary to so do. Outlook is > not wrong and nor is Mailman. Its just that some users are confused by > what they see and some mailing list admins are equally confused about > why their users are confu

Re: [Mailman-Users] From field displayed by MS Outlook

2004-01-22 Thread Richard Barrett
On 22 Jan 2004, at 14:19, Brad Knowles wrote: At 6:52 AM + 2004/01/22, Richard Barrett wrote: If this list's membership forged a consensus behind a manageable and relatively minor proposal to change Mailman, which did not compromise its adherence to RFCs, then maybe there is a way forward

Re: [Mailman-Users] From field displayed by MS Outlook

2004-01-22 Thread Richard Barrett
On 22 Jan 2004, at 12:25, Martin Hugo wrote: We use Outlook 2002 and all the messages I receive (from this and our own lists) have the from field correctly reported as the sender. Either something has been changed in Outlook 2003 or there is a machine configuration problem either on the recipien

RE: [Mailman-Users] From field displayed by MS Outlook

2004-01-22 Thread gagel
I should read all mail before sending I suppose. Thanks Ari for your explanation. It works for me... - Original Message Follows - -snip- > Mailman is doing the right thing, by specifying the Sender address -snip- > There is no way for the Mailman developers to fix this, since if -snip- > T

Re: [Mailman-Users] From field displayed by MS Outlook

2004-01-22 Thread gagel
See below: - Original Message Follows - > > At 02:32 PM 22/01/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > >What is wrong with the mailman authors making their product > superior >enough to compensate for Microdummies poor programing and > faulty RFC >interpretation? > > > What is wrong with thi

Re: [Mailman-Users] From field displayed by MS Outlook

2004-01-22 Thread Brad Knowles
At 6:52 AM + 2004/01/22, Richard Barrett wrote: If this list's membership forged a consensus behind a manageable and relatively minor proposal to change Mailman, which did not compromise its adherence to RFCs, then maybe there is a way forward to suit most people. This still doesn't fix t

RE: [Mailman-Users] From field displayed by MS Outlook

2004-01-22 Thread Brad Knowles
At 12:00 AM -0500 2004/01/22, Rabinowitz, Ari (Exchange) wrote: There is no way for the Mailman developers to fix this, since if they didn't have the Sender address be the list bounce address then all of Mailman's bounce handling would no longer work, and the author of the message would get fl

Re: [Mailman-Users] From field displayed by MS Outlook

2004-01-22 Thread Brad Knowles
At 8:32 PM -0800 2004/01/21, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is wrong with the mailman authors making their product superior enough to compensate for Microdummies poor programing and faulty RFC interpretation? Mailman is a volunteer project. Volunteers will work on the sorts of things that the

RE: [Mailman-Users] From field displayed by MS Outlook

2004-01-22 Thread Martin Hugo
We use Outlook 2002 and all the messages I receive (from this and our own lists) have the from field correctly reported as the sender. Either something has been changed in Outlook 2003 or there is a machine configuration problem either on the recipients machine or the senders. HTH Marty -Ori

Re: [Mailman-Users] From field displayed by MS Outlook

2004-01-21 Thread Richard Barrett
On 22 Jan 2004, at 05:00, Rabinowitz, Ari (Exchange) wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Brendan Pratt Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 11:49 PM What is wrong with the mailman authors making their product superior enough to compensate for Microdummies poor programin

RE: [Mailman-Users] From field displayed by MS Outlook

2004-01-21 Thread Rabinowitz, Ari (Exchange)
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of > Brendan Pratt > Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 11:49 PM > > >What is wrong with the mailman authors making their product superior > >enough to compensate for Microdummies poor programing and faulty RFC > >interpretation? > Mailm

Re: [Mailman-Users] From field displayed by MS Outlook

2004-01-21 Thread Brendan Pratt
At 02:32 PM 22/01/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is wrong with the mailman authors making their product superior enough to compensate for Microdummies poor programing and faulty RFC interpretation? What is wrong with this idea, is that it means Mailman is going against the RFC that it curre

Re: [Mailman-Users] From field displayed by MS Outlook

2004-01-21 Thread gagel
I do not disagree with you. Consider this... Why would stupid corporate exec's who more often than not, throw good money after bad, change anything they are doing? Especially when Micro$cof has the market and the exec's can simply order a change to suit their concept of what might be wrong. W

Re: [Mailman-Users] From field displayed by MS Outlook

2004-01-21 Thread Steve Burling
--On Wednesday, January 21, 2004 5:56 PM -0600 Linda Pahdoco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: If only life were that easy. So I'm supposed to tell my client "Just tell the hundreds of corporate people who belong to your mailing list to not use outlook?" We're looking for a real life answer, not a perf

Re: [Mailman-Users] From field displayed by MS Outlook

2004-01-21 Thread Steve Burling
--On Wednesday, January 21, 2004 4:09 PM -0800 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The link to file a bug report is here: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=103&atid=100103 The above should be one line. I could find nothing in the archive about open bug reports on outlook and displaying addresses... Fi

Re: [Mailman-Users] From field displayed by MS Outlook

2004-01-21 Thread Brad Knowles
At 11:37 AM +1000 2004/01/22, Brendan Pratt wrote: Perhaps someone out there could put together a list of very specific bugs with Microsoft lookOut and lookOut Express, in a bug report format, and then place it online somewhere so that we could all direct our clients to. This way the client ca

Re: [Mailman-Users] From field displayed by MS Outlook

2004-01-21 Thread Brendan Pratt
Hi Brad, At 10:33 AM 22/01/04, you wrote: At 5:56 PM -0600 2004/01/21, Linda Pahdoco wrote: So I'm supposed to tell my client "Just tell the hundreds of corporate people who belong to your mailing list to not use outlook?" We're looking for a real life answer, not a perfect world one.

Re: [Mailman-Users] From field displayed by MS Outlook

2004-01-21 Thread Brad Knowles
At 5:56 PM -0600 2004/01/21, Linda Pahdoco wrote: So I'm supposed to tell my client "Just tell the hundreds of corporate people who belong to your mailing list to not use outlook?" We're looking for a real life answer, not a perfect world one. If Outlook is inappropriately munging the "Sender:

Re: [Mailman-Users] From field displayed by MS Outlook

2004-01-21 Thread Mark J. Bradakis
I could find nothing in the archive about open bug reports on outlook and displaying addresses... Why would stupid behavior in Outlook be considered a mailman bug? If people want to use Microsoft's Virus Propagation Wizard to mangle their mail, that should be their problem. mjb. Today's whimsy

Re: [Mailman-Users] From field displayed by MS Outlook

2004-01-21 Thread gagel
> > > From: Thomas Hochstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] From field displayed by MS Outlook > Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 22:09:02 +0100 > > > > If it is a problem, it's not a problem with Mailman. > >

Re: [Mailman-Users] From field displayed by MS Outlook

2004-01-21 Thread Linda Pahdoco
]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] From field displayed by MS Outlook Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 22:09:02 +0100 If it is a problem, it's not a problem with Mailman. Ugly - but Outlook. :) Don't use Outlook if you don't like the way it

Re: [Mailman-Users] From field displayed by MS Outlook

2004-01-21 Thread Thomas Hochstein
"Jon Stethridge" schrieb: > I think like so many others I am effected by the from: address being > incorrectly reported in Outlook. I am guessing since nothing has been > posted to the list this is still a current problem. If it is a problem, it's not a problem with Mailman. > I can report that