Re: [Mailman-Users] Finding list user in redacted FBL reports

2019-08-07 Thread Scott Neader
On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 7:38 PM Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users < mailman-users@python.org> wrote: > On 8/5/19 10:14 PM, Scott Neader wrote: > > Hi all! I have a list member with a comcast.net email address that is > > marking most every list message as spam. I have Personalization enabled, > > an

Re: [Mailman-Users] no bounce message with bad address

2019-08-07 Thread Loren Engrav via Mailman-Users
ah after a long long time I received a bounce from centurylink.net using 2.1.26 at site5 no bounce as yet from centurylink.net using 2.1.29 at mailmanlists.net the config was not quite the same so I made mailmanlists config equal centurylink a

Re: [Mailman-Users] no bounce message with bad address

2019-08-07 Thread Barry S. Finkel
On 8/7/2019 1:20 PM, Loren Engrav via Mailman-Users wrote: sometimes I load an invalid address (invalid name but valid domain) like x...@whidbey.com; whidbey.com is ok but there is no xyz with Mailman 2.1.26 at site5.com and 2.1.29 at mailmanlists.net I do not receive a bounce message is this a

Re: [Mailman-Users] Finding list user in redacted FBL reports

2019-08-06 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
On 8/5/19 10:14 PM, Scott Neader wrote: Hi all! I have a list member with a comcast.net email address that is marking most every list message as spam. I have Personalization enabled, and have the subscriber's email address in the footer, but Comcast redacts the email address. Unfortunately, th

Re: [Mailman-Users] Finding list user in redacted FBL reports

2019-08-06 Thread Scott Neader
On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 7:24 AM David Gibbs via Mailman-Users < mailman-users@python.org> wrote: > On Mon, Aug 5, 2019 at 11:40 PM Scott Neader wrote: > > Do any of you have any ideas for me to identify this serial > > 'mark-as-spammer'? Could I hack something together temporarily that > would >

Re: [Mailman-Users] Finding list user in redacted FBL reports

2019-08-06 Thread David Gibbs via Mailman-Users
On Mon, Aug 5, 2019 at 11:40 PM Scott Neader wrote: > Do any of you have any ideas for me to identify this serial > 'mark-as-spammer'? Could I hack something together temporarily that would > put maybe the first few characters of their email in the footer? (so that > Comcast won't sense it as an

Re: [Mailman-Users] messages fail to @yahoo @aol @outlook

2019-08-03 Thread Loren Engrav via Mailman-Users
Ok Site5 and U Washington seem to be unable / unwilling to fix so I tried mailmanlists.net from your link there, messages to yahoo and aol pass fine so as you say, probably time to change providers and, to boot, mailmanlists.net is cheaper thanks > On Aug 1, 2019, at 10:18 PM, Stephen J. Turnbu

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman eats this message. Why?

2019-08-02 Thread Brett Delmage
Stephen and Christian, Thank you for your most helpful replies. I did some additional testing. I remembered (after) that I had a copy of the original message as received by Mailman, as I was copying the Mailman posting address mail to another mbox for debugging. Also, the user who had HTML-on

Re: [Mailman-Users] messages fail to @yahoo @aol @outlook

2019-08-01 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Loren Engrav via Mailman-Users writes: > can whitelist on outlook > that seems to have solved outlook problem > yahoo and aol remain > attempts to whitelist there have failed I'm not sure what you're asking, if anything. Or are you just reporting partial success at outlook.com but not Yahoo!

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman eats this message. Why?

2019-08-01 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Christian, Thanks for the analysis! Brett, Whenever possible, you should send the whole message, preferably as an attachment, redacting only personally identifying information. This includes display names and comments attached to mail addresses as well as the addresses themselves in From, To, C

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman eats this message. Why?

2019-08-01 Thread mailman-admin
Hello Sending text/html emails is ok. But using "Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit" with UTF-8 content can get it dumped if: * there is any character not ASCII in the whole email * there is any line with more than 1000 characters in the whole email Not sure, if that is your problem, as you redacted

Re: [Mailman-Users] messages fail to @yahoo @aol @outlook

2019-07-31 Thread Loren Engrav via Mailman-Users
can whitelist on outlook that seems to have solved outlook problem yahoo and aol remain attempts to whitelist there have failed > On Jul 28, 2019, at 5:40 PM, Loren Engrav via Mailman-Users > wrote: > > thank you > will be interesting > maybe will help Site5 fix things > > supporting your opi

Re: [Mailman-Users] List Serve Has Stopped Working

2019-07-29 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 7/29/19 5:45 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > > I hope someone else on this list can help you. > > There's also . Sorry for the immediately prior premature send. What I meant to add here is this is almost certainly not a Mailman issue. I ca

Re: [Mailman-Users] List Serve Has Stopped Working

2019-07-29 Thread Robert Heller
At Mon, 29 Jul 2019 12:59:31 -0400 Mary Pearson wrote: > > I have had Mailman (current version v 2.1.27) List Serve working perfectly on > my website for several years. On July 5, I made some changes to my DNS > settings to satisfy cPanel's Email Deliverability standards, and since then > my

Re: [Mailman-Users] List Serve Has Stopped Working

2019-07-29 Thread Mary Pearson via Mailman-Users
Thank you everyone for your input. A dear gentleman from cPanel tech support was able to figure it out for me and it is now working. Mary On Jul 29, 2019, at 8:45 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: On 7/29/19 9:59 AM, Mary Pearson via Mailman-Users wrote: > I have had Mailman (current version v 2.1.27)

Re: [Mailman-Users] List Serve Has Stopped Working

2019-07-29 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 7/29/19 5:45 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 7/29/19 9:59 AM, Mary Pearson via Mailman-Users wrote: >> I have had Mailman (current version v 2.1.27) List Serve working perfectly >> on my website for several years. > > > Please see . > > >

Re: [Mailman-Users] List Serve Has Stopped Working

2019-07-29 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 7/29/19 9:59 AM, Mary Pearson via Mailman-Users wrote: > I have had Mailman (current version v 2.1.27) List Serve working perfectly on > my website for several years. Please see . > On July 5, I made some changes to my DNS settings t

Re: [Mailman-Users] messages fail to @yahoo @aol @outlook

2019-07-29 Thread Loren Engrav via Mailman-Users
and after the last round the screen is shown below message saying aol disabled no message for yahoo but there is the nomail checked no message for outlook and no check by nomail > On Jul 28, 2019, at 7:58 AM, Loren Engrav wrote: > > Greetings > > I use Mailman (2.1.26) at Site5.com

Re: [Mailman-Users] messages fail to @yahoo @aol @outlook

2019-07-28 Thread Loren Engrav via Mailman-Users
thank you will be interesting maybe will help Site5 fix things supporting your opinion I tried munge and wrap, as mentioned, and neither fixed > On Jul 28, 2019, at 2:44 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > > On 7/28/19 9:52 AM, Bill Cole wrote: >> On 28 Jul 2019, at 11:25, Loren Engrav via Mailman-Users

Re: [Mailman-Users] messages fail to @yahoo @aol @outlook

2019-07-28 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 7/28/19 9:52 AM, Bill Cole wrote: > On 28 Jul 2019, at 11:25, Loren Engrav via Mailman-Users wrote: > >> and searched archives >> and see this goes back years and years >> is there a quick fix I missed in the archives? > > This looks like a DMARC problem. It is not a DMARC issue. The disconn

Re: [Mailman-Users] messages fail to @yahoo @aol @outlook

2019-07-28 Thread Loren Engrav via Mailman-Users
Hi I tried munge yes yes and wrap yes yes on my Mailman (not at Site5) under Privacy > Sender munge? still messages failed to yahoo aol and outlook wrap? message to outlook passed but yahoo and aol failed > On Jul 28, 2019, at 11:12 AM, Bill Cole > wrote: > > On 28 Jul 2019, at 13:04, Jayso

Re: [Mailman-Users] messages fail to @yahoo @aol @outlook

2019-07-28 Thread Bill Cole
On 28 Jul 2019, at 13:04, Jayson Smith wrote: Hi, The problem I'm familiar with is messages *from* AOL/Hotmail/Yahoo/etc. being rejected by other Email providers. It happens in both directions. Providers who publish a "p=reject" DMARC policy typically also honor other providers' "p=reject"

Re: [Mailman-Users] messages fail to @yahoo @aol @outlook

2019-07-28 Thread Jayson Smith
Hi, The problem I'm familiar with is messages *from* AOL/Hotmail/Yahoo/etc. being rejected by other Email providers. I haven't done it in years so I'm not sure where it is, but there's an option in the list config to munge the From: lines of messages where Mailman detects this will be an issu

Re: [Mailman-Users] messages fail to @yahoo @aol @outlook

2019-07-28 Thread Bill Cole
On 28 Jul 2019, at 11:25, Loren Engrav via Mailman-Users wrote: > and searched archives > and see this goes back years and years > is there a quick fix I missed in the archives? This looks like a DMARC problem. See https://wiki.list.org/DEV/DMARC -- Bill Cole b...@scconsult.com or billc...@a

Re: [Mailman-Users] messages fail to @yahoo @aol @outlook

2019-07-28 Thread Loren Engrav via Mailman-Users
and searched archives and see this goes back years and years is there a quick fix I missed in the archives? > On Jul 28, 2019, at 8:13 AM, Loren Engrav wrote: > > and > after the last round the screen is shown below > message saying aol disabled > no message for yahoo but there is the nomail che

Re: [Mailman-Users] Archive cleanup

2019-07-26 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 7/26/19 5:04 AM, nikos wrote: > Hello list. > > I need information to clean older years of archive. > > Can someone help me? See . In particular, see the script linked from the NOTE ON PRUNING OLD MESSAGES: section. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for

Re: [Mailman-Users] IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied on config.pck in Fedora 30

2019-07-25 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 7/25/19 12:30 PM, Robert Kudyba wrote: > > Have you seen the suggestion to use Apache with suexec at > https://wiki.list.org/DOC/Apache+Suexec ? My first attempt was > unsuccessful, I kept getting: > Apache-Error: [file "util_script.c"] [line 497] [level 3] End of script > output before headers

Re: [Mailman-Users] IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied on config.pck in Fedora 30

2019-07-25 Thread Dimitri Maziuk via Mailman-Users
On 7/25/19 2:30 PM, Robert Kudyba wrote: > Have you seen the suggestion to use Apache with suexec at > https://wiki.list.org/DOC/Apache+Suexec ? My first attempt was > unsuccessful FWIW I could never get suexec to work reliably. Repartition the drive properly (get rid of LVM), use ext4, mount wi

Re: [Mailman-Users] IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied on config.pck in Fedora 30

2019-07-25 Thread Robert Kudyba
> > Also, manipulating ownership and permissions of config.pck files is not > a solution. Because of the way they are updated, changed permissions > will be reversed. > Yes I'm seeing that. This is a Fedora issue of some kind. You will have to contact Fedora. > I'll open a bug up at the Bugzilla

Re: [Mailman-Users] IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied on config.pck in Fedora 30

2019-07-25 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 7/25/19 11:34 AM, Robert Kudyba wrote: > > Indeed you are correct: > > admin(15157): IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: > '/var/lib/mailman/lists/algs-da/config.pck' > admin(15157): Process effective group = apache > > Where do I change this? As far as I can see, everything you have i

Re: [Mailman-Users] IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied on config.pck in Fedora 30

2019-07-25 Thread Robert Kudyba
> > To see the effective group that the CGIs run as, apply the attached > patch to /usr/lib/mailman/scripts/driver. This will print the effective > group of the process between the Traceback and the Python Information. > It should be 'mailman', but I think in your case it won't be. > Indeed you ar

Re: [Mailman-Users] IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied on config.pck in Fedora 30

2019-07-25 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 7/25/19 7:50 AM, Robert Kudyba wrote: > OK almost there. I can get into the admin however for each list, I am still > getting permission errors. > > Here are the current perms: > ls -l /var/lib/mailman/lists/datastr > total 32 > -rw-rw-rw- 1 mailman mailman 9250 Jul 23 14:15 config.pck> -rw-rw-

Re: [Mailman-Users] IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied on config.pck in Fedora 30

2019-07-25 Thread Robert Kudyba
OK almost there. I can get into the admin however for each list, I am still getting permission errors. Here are the current perms: ls -l /var/lib/mailman/lists/datastr total 32 -rw-rw-rw- 1 mailman mailman 9250 Jul 23 14:15 config.pck -rw-rw-rw- 1 mailman mailman 9250 Jul 23 09:00 config.pck.last

Re: [Mailman-Users] IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied on config.pck in Fedora 30

2019-07-24 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 7/24/19 1:59 PM, Robert Kudyba wrote: > I’m getting some where here. First Apache httpd runs as user:apache: Right. > Now I see these files, and look at the owner: > ls -lt /var/lib/mailman/lists/mailman/ > total 184 > -rw-rw 1 apache mailman 4352 Jul 24 16:55 config.pck > -rw-rw

Re: [Mailman-Users] IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied on config.pck in Fedora 30

2019-07-24 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 7/24/19 12:48 PM, Robert Kudyba wrote: > OK a new error. Could this be a python version issue? > https://mailman-users.python.narkive.com/UxwiPAK0/installation-problem > This is not a python issue. Logging.StampedLogger

Re: [Mailman-Users] IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied on config.pck in Fedora 30

2019-07-24 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 7/24/19 12:39 PM, Robert Kudyba wrote: > > And /var/log/mailman/error: > Jul 24 15:30:38 2019 mailmanctl(23038): [Errno 3] No such process > Jul 24 15:30:38 2019 mailmanctl(23038): Stale pid file removed. > Jul 24 15:32:37 2019 mailmanctl(23422): No child with pid: 23332 > Jul 24 15:32:37 20

Re: [Mailman-Users] IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied on config.pck in Fedora 30

2019-07-24 Thread Robert Kudyba
I’m getting some where here. First Apache httpd runs as user:apache: ps -auwx|grep httpd apache4765 0.0 0.0 48708 23972 ?S16:46 0:00 /usr/sbin/httpd -DFOREGROUND apache4766 0.0 0.0 2548332 31472 ? Sl 16:46 0:00 /usr/sbin/httpd -DFOREGROUND apache4768 0.0

Re: [Mailman-Users] IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied on config.pck in Fedora 30

2019-07-24 Thread Robert Kudyba
OK a new error. Could this be a python version issue? https://mailman-users.python.narkive.com/UxwiPAK0/installation-problem ImportError: No module named Logging.StampedLogger [- Python Information -] sys.version

Re: [Mailman-Users] IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied on config.pck in Fedora 30

2019-07-24 Thread Robert Kudyba
>> >> This did work a few weeks ago not sure when it started perhaps when dnf >> updated June 30. >> >> And now qrunner is failing to start: >> Jul 24 14:36:50 2019 (14350) Qrunner RetryRunner reached maximum restart >> limit of 10, not restarting. >> Jul 24 14:36:50 2019 (14350) Master qrunner

Re: [Mailman-Users] IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied on config.pck in Fedora 30

2019-07-24 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 7/24/19 12:14 PM, Robert Kudyba wrote: > > This did work a few weeks ago not sure when it started perhaps when dnf > updated June 30. > > And now qrunner is failing to start: > Jul 24 14:36:50 2019 (14350) Qrunner RetryRunner reached maximum restart > limit of 10, not restarting. > Jul 24 14

Re: [Mailman-Users] IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied on config.pck in Fedora 30

2019-07-24 Thread Robert Kudyba
> >>> Did you see my reply about the file system needing to be mounted suid? >> >> Yes I did an responded in line with the permissions of the sub-directories >> and files: >> ls -l /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/ >> total 264 >> -rwxr-sr-x 1 mailman mailman 23048 Feb 12 06:54 admin > ... > > > I'm

Re: [Mailman-Users] IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied on config.pck in Fedora 30

2019-07-24 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 7/24/19 11:28 AM, Robert Kudyba wrote: > >> >> All these files should be group 'mailman' and group writable and the >> process should be running with effective group 'mailman’. > > By “these files” do you mean in /usr/lib/mailman? Those definitely did not > have group write permissions. Do th

Re: [Mailman-Users] IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied on config.pck in Fedora 30

2019-07-24 Thread Robert Kudyba
> On Jul 24, 2019, at 2:04 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > > On 7/24/19 10:44 AM, Robert Kudyba wrote: >> >> >> So no when trying to log in to the ~/mailman/admindb/mailman admin page I >> get the below error, notice it’s a different permission problem: >> >> Jul 24 13:41:51 2019 admin(5113): >>

Re: [Mailman-Users] IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied on config.pck in Fedora 30

2019-07-24 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 7/24/19 10:44 AM, Robert Kudyba wrote: > > > So no when trying to log in to the ~/mailman/admindb/mailman admin page I get > the below error, notice it’s a different permission problem: > > Jul 24 13:41:51 2019 admin(5113): > > admin(5113): [---

Re: [Mailman-Users] IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied on config.pck in Fedora 30

2019-07-24 Thread Robert Kudyba
>> My partial workaround so far has been to: >> chmod 666 /var/lib/mailman/lists/*/config.pck >> chattr +i /var/lib/mailman/lists/*/config.pck > > > chattr +i is certainly wrong. From `man chattr` > > >> A file with the `i' attribute cannot be modified: it cannot be deleted >> or

Re: [Mailman-Users] IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied on config.pck in Fedora 30

2019-07-24 Thread Mark Sapiro
Another thing I neglected to mention, the file system containing the Mailman files must be mounted with the (default) suid option, not with nosuid. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan --

Re: [Mailman-Users] IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied on config.pck in Fedora 30

2019-07-24 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 7/24/19 6:20 AM, Robert Kudyba wrote: >> >> Thus, this is almost certainly a SELinux issue. Try disabling SELinux. >> If that solves the issue and you want to enable SELinux, you'll need to >> review/update your SELinux Policy. > > I should have mentioned it’s been disabled for quite a while: >

Re: [Mailman-Users] IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied on config.pck in Fedora 30

2019-07-24 Thread Robert Kudyba
> The wrappers in /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin and in /usr/lib/mailman/mail > should all be group mailman and SETGID as in Indeed they are with user set to mailman: ls -l /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/ total 264 -rwxr-sr-x 1 mailman mailman 23048 Feb 12 06:54 admin -rwxr-sr-x 1 mailman mailman 23048 Feb

Re: [Mailman-Users] IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied on config.pck in Fedora 30

2019-07-23 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 7/22/19 11:12 AM, Robert Kudyba wrote: > Does mailman 2.1 now need to run as the same user as Apache runs? No. > In our case httpd runs as the user ‘apache’ and mailman runs as ‘mailman’. I > reinstalled mailman and no difference. I’ve seen this error referenced > several time and to run che

Re: [Mailman-Users] adding aliases

2019-07-23 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 7/23/19 10:29 AM, Christian Stalberg via Mailman-Users wrote: > Mailman is running fine in a postfix/mysql/dovecot environment. I need to > set up email forwarding for root and postmaster. I added these to > /etc/aliases and ran newaliases to no effect. Should I instead be manually > editing th

Re: [Mailman-Users] Is there a way to see the original email contents?

2019-07-19 Thread Carl Zwanzig
On 7/19/2019 6:13 PM, Steven Owens wrote: The received email is lacking a bunch of included text. It's unclear if this is user error, or some quirk of the email client or system (I believe yahoo email done via phone app), or if Mailman somehow automatically clipped it out. I don't think mailma

Re: [Mailman-Users] Is there a way to see the original email contents?

2019-07-19 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 7/19/19 6:13 PM, Steven Owens wrote: > Is there a way, in the mailman web admin interface, to see the > original contents of an email that was posted to mailman? No. > The received email is lacking a bunch of included text. It's unclear > if this is user error, or some quirk of the email cli

Re: [Mailman-Users] Need assistance configuring Mailman version 2.1.15 on RHEL7

2019-07-19 Thread Jim Ziobro
On 7/16/2019 8:24 AM, Mr. Vishal Gandhi wrote: We installed Mailman version 2.1.15 on RHEL7 using yum. We don't want mailing lists' email addresses with the same domain as the server has. For example: server is example1.fdu.edu . We would like to have email addresses of the mailing lists to en

Re: [Mailman-Users] Questions About Uncaught Bounce Notifications

2019-07-18 Thread Richard Damon
On 7/17/19 10:36 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 7/17/19 5:50 PM, Richard Damon wrote: > >> Here is a sample of one semi-regular bounce I get from a list I manage >> (I haved X'ed out the personal information included in the bounce). I >> suspect that one issue is that this is a bounce message, not a s

Re: [Mailman-Users] Questions About Uncaught Bounce Notifications

2019-07-17 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 7/17/19 5:50 PM, Richard Damon wrote: > Here is a sample of one semi-regular bounce I get from a list I manage > (I haved X'ed out the personal information included in the bounce). I > suspect that one issue is that this is a bounce message, not a server > refusing (thus they are probably back-

Re: [Mailman-Users] Questions About Uncaught Bounce Notifications

2019-07-17 Thread Richard Damon
On 7/17/19 8:18 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 7/17/19 4:23 PM, David Andrews wrote: >> I run an installation that has over 300 lists.  Normally, for years, I >> received around 300 uncaught bounce notifications a day.  In the past >> couple of months, it has dramatically increased to 3000 to 4000 a d

Re: [Mailman-Users] Questions About Uncaught Bounce Notifications

2019-07-17 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 7/17/19 4:23 PM, David Andrews wrote: > I run an installation that has over 300 lists.  Normally, for years, I > received around 300 uncaught bounce notifications a day.  In the past > couple of months, it has dramatically increased to 3000 to 4000 a day.  > Some questions:  what causes them? Ca

Re: [Mailman-Users] Need assistance configuring Mailman version 2.1.15 on RHEL7

2019-07-17 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 7/16/19 5:24 AM, Mr. Vishal Gandhi wrote: > We installed Mailman version 2.1.15 on RHEL7 using yum. We don't want mailing > lists' email addresses with the same domain as the server has. For example: > server is example1.fdu.edu . We would like to have email addresses of the > mailing lists t

Re: [Mailman-Users] Include part of message when rejecting due to excessive size?

2019-07-17 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 7/17/19 11:01 AM, David Gibbs via Mailman-Users wrote: > My memory is failing me... I thought that, when rejecting a message from > the admin queue, part of the original message was included in the reject > message. > > Is this true? No. The message that is sent is built from the 'refuse.txt'

Re: [Mailman-Users] English (USA)

2019-07-09 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Norbert Bollow writes: > On some of those lists, it is really strongly desirable to actively > encourage the list's participants to see themselves as an > international community, in particular as a community where US > centric perspectives are not privileged over other perspectives. Claiming

Re: [Mailman-Users] English (USA)

2019-07-09 Thread Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On Tue, 2019-07-09 at 08:40 -0400, Timothy Jasionowski wrote: > I don’t really have a dog in this fight, but can we acknowledge that > this version of Mailman is effectively on life support for a variety > of reasons, that the limited developer sup

Re: [Mailman-Users] English (USA)

2019-07-09 Thread Timothy Jasionowski
I don’t really have a dog in this fight, but can we acknowledge that this version of Mailman is effectively on life support for a variety of reasons, that the limited developer support on it has been focused primarily on fixing critical bugs out of kindness rather than implementing any new featu

Re: [Mailman-Users] English (USA)

2019-07-09 Thread Norbert Bollow
On Mon, 8 Jul 2019 21:06:52 +0200 Christian F Buser via Mailman-Users wrote: > And there are other expressions which are completely different in UK > English and US English - see >

Re: [Mailman-Users] English (USA)

2019-07-08 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users writes: > I just keep getting reminded By your users? By Tommy Robinson fans, Boris Johnson, and football hooligans? Or just when you see it in the list of supported languages? > that we specifically support USA English and we offer no other > English languag

Re: [Mailman-Users] English (USA)

2019-07-08 Thread Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On Mon, 2019-07-08 at 14:17 -0700, Carl Zwanzig wrote: > On 7/8/2019 1:51 PM, Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users wrote: > > I just keep getting reminded that we specifically support USA English > > and we offer no other English language support. > > I'

Re: [Mailman-Users] English (USA)

2019-07-08 Thread Carl Zwanzig
On 7/8/2019 1:51 PM, Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users wrote: I just keep getting reminded that we specifically support USA English and we offer no other English language support. I'm not clear on what other English needs support. (This kind of seems like a solution in search of a problem.) La

Re: [Mailman-Users] English (USA)

2019-07-08 Thread Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On Mon, 2019-07-08 at 13:32 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 7/8/19 1:00 PM, Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users wrote: > > > > Just to be clear, I'm not proposing changes to any po strings, rather > > just the labels. The end result would be just "Engli

Re: [Mailman-Users] English (USA)

2019-07-08 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 7/8/19 1:00 PM, Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users wrote: > > Just to be clear, I'm not proposing changes to any po strings, rather > just the labels. The end result would be just "English" in the list of > available languages for a list instead of "English (USA)". Actually, you are proposing a

Re: [Mailman-Users] English (USA)

2019-07-08 Thread Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On Mon, 2019-07-08 at 12:46 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 7/8/19 12:15 PM, Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users wrote: > > > > > Now I'm confused. :-) I know about the differences in UK and US English > > are in general (color vs colour, etc), but I d

Re: [Mailman-Users] English (USA)

2019-07-08 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 7/8/19 12:15 PM, Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users wrote: > > Now I'm confused. :-) I know about the differences in UK and US English > are in general (color vs colour, etc), but I don't know about the > differences within Mailman. Adding to my confusion is that my Mailman > installs only have

Re: [Mailman-Users] English (USA)

2019-07-08 Thread Phil Stracchino
On 7/8/19 3:06 PM, Christian F Buser via Mailman-Users wrote: > Hi Jim > > I do not know about where the English (US) and English (UK) languages differ > in Mailman. But in school, half a century ago, I learnt (learned) about the > differences in general. For example color / colour, center / cen

Re: [Mailman-Users] English (USA)

2019-07-08 Thread Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On Mon, 2019-07-08 at 21:06 +0200, Christian F Buser wrote: > Hi Jim > > I do not know about where the English (US) and English (UK) languages differ > in Mailman. But in school, half a century ago, I learnt (learned) about the > differences in ge

Re: [Mailman-Users] English (USA)

2019-07-08 Thread Christian F Buser via Mailman-Users
Hi Jim I do not know about where the English (US) and English (UK) languages differ in Mailman. But in school, half a century ago, I learnt (learned) about the differences in general. For example color / colour, center / centre, etc. And there are other expressions which are completely differe

Re: [Mailman-Users] Roadrunner/TWC blocking Emails

2019-07-07 Thread Richard Shetron
I'll agree and they don't always pay attention to their users. I have road runner internet but separate email. On 7/7/2019 1:59 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: Hi Jayson, Roadrunner has been problematic in this way for decades. They don't explain, they don't provide policy information or cont

Re: [Mailman-Users] how did spam message get through a moderated list?

2019-06-27 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 6/26/19 2:36 PM, Aleksandr Miroslav wrote: > > Three of the lists automatically discarded the email, as I have > configured them to do, and sent me an notification about it. But the > fourth list sent it through, even though u...@example.com was not > subscribed to the list, and I have generic_

Re: [Mailman-Users] How long will Mailman version 2 be supported for?

2019-06-21 Thread mailman-admin
Hello See: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/msg71795.html Kind regards, Christian Mack Am 21.06.19 um 00:07 schrieb Steven Jones: > > thanks > > > regards. > Steven -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.or

Re: [Mailman-Users] binary instead of html

2019-06-17 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 6/16/19 10:01 PM, Nina Macdonald wrote: > I have one listserv subscriber, who is signed up for the regular (not > digest) version.  He has been intermittently getting these odd versions > of messages.  When he gets this format, he does not get the regular html > version. Most of the messages com

Re: [Mailman-Users] What to do about SPF rejection?

2019-06-17 Thread Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users
On Mon, 2019-06-17 at 12:47 -0400, John Levine wrote: > In article you write: > > Dear all, > > > > I today saw three bounces where the receiving mail server had said: > > > > host mail.gfbv.de[185.199.217.16] said: 550 external MTA > >sending our header From: (in reply to > >end

Re: [Mailman-Users] What to do about SPF rejection?

2019-06-17 Thread John Levine
In article you write: >Dear all, > >I today saw three bounces where the receiving mail server had said: > >host mail.gfbv.de[185.199.217.16] said: 550 external MTA >sending our header From: (in reply to >end of DATA command) > >The SPF record for gfbv.de is > >gfbv.de.

Re: [Mailman-Users] Web interfece doen't work correctly

2019-06-17 Thread Mark Sapiro
On June 17, 2019 12:06:57 AM PDT, Peter wrote: > >But the only that not can be done is authorization/reject emails that >are not belong to a list member. >I do received the authorization email, click on the link and I got the >correct page. >Select what to do and click submit all data. >Then not

Re: [Mailman-Users] binary instead of html

2019-06-16 Thread Christian F Buser via Mailman-Users
Hello Nina Macdonald. On Sun, 16 Jun 2019 22:01:39 -0700, you wrote: > I have one listserv subscriber, who is signed up for the regular (not > digest) version. He has been intermittently getting these odd > versions of messages. When he gets this format, he does not get the > regular html ve

Re: [Mailman-Users] using hash for aliases. distribution email bounced back with errors

2019-06-15 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 6/15/19 7:01 AM, Christian Stalberg via Mailman-Users wrote: > I made those changes and attempted another distr test and most of the > previous errors went away but one (still no distribution), as follows: ... > (expanded from > ): host > naturalintelligence.us[private/dovecot-lmtp] sai

Re: [Mailman-Users] using hash for aliases. distribution email bounced back with errors

2019-06-15 Thread Christian Stalberg via Mailman-Users
: Mailman-Users [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+csa=web-analysts@python.org] On Behalf Of Mark Sapiro Sent: Friday, June 14, 2019 10:28 PM To: mailman-users@python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] using hash for aliases. distribution email bounced back with errors On 6/14/19 2:21 PM, Christian Stalb

Re: [Mailman-Users] using hash for aliases. distribution email bounced back with errors

2019-06-14 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 6/14/19 2:21 PM, Christian Stalberg via Mailman-Users wrote: > Installing mailman 2.1.20 on a working postfix-dovecot-mysql mail server. > Trying to use hash for Mailman aliases. > > In /etc/postfix/main.cf, I have > > alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases, hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases Good.

Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem with mailman-loop address

2019-06-08 Thread ratatouille
Hello! Mark Sapiro schrieb am 08.06.19 um 08:13:24 Uhr: > On 6/8/19 3:29 AM, ratatouille wrote: > > > > In /var/lib/mailman/data/aliases there is no alias like mailman-loop. > > > > What's wrong here and how do I fix this? > > > There should be. If Mailman is generating this file, it shoul

Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem with mailman-loop address

2019-06-08 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 6/8/19 3:29 AM, ratatouille wrote: > > In /var/lib/mailman/data/aliases there is no alias like mailman-loop. > > What's wrong here and how do I fix this? There should be. If Mailman is generating this file, it should contain # The ultimate loop stopper address mailman-loop: /var/lib/mailman

Re: [Mailman-Users] Message not removeable

2019-06-08 Thread Paul van der Vlis
Op 05-06-19 om 17:37 schreef Mark Sapiro: > On 6/4/19 1:41 PM, Paul van der Vlis wrote: >> Op 04-06-19 om 22:05 schreef Mark Sapiro: >>> On 6/4/19 3:30 AM, Paul van der Vlis wrote: In one of the mailinglists came a message what's to big. I've changed max_message_size but it was not p

Re: [Mailman-Users] From Address for 'mailpasswds'

2019-06-07 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 6/7/19 4:49 AM, Dennis Putnam wrote: > Thanks. That is what I need to override. How do I do that? > To override the From: address, at lines 220.. in cron/mailpasswds you will see msg = Message.UserNotification( addr, siteowner, change siteowner to the lit

Re: [Mailman-Users] From Address for 'mailpasswds'

2019-06-07 Thread Dennis Putnam
Thanks. That is what I need to override. How do I do that? On 6/7/2019 4:25 AM, mailman-admin wrote: > Am 05.06.19 um 20:18 schrieb Dennis Putnam: >> Hi Mark, >> >> After looking at this a bit I have a question. Are the strings 'owner', >> 'request' and 'bounces' appended to the list name? >> >> l

Re: [Mailman-Users] From Address for 'mailpasswds'

2019-06-07 Thread mailman-admin
Am 05.06.19 um 20:18 schrieb Dennis Putnam: > Hi Mark, > > After looking at this a bit I have a question. Are the strings 'owner', > 'request' and 'bounces' appended to the list name? > > list1-owner@domain > list1-request@domain > list1-bounces@domain > yes. Kind regards, Christian Mack

Re: [Mailman-Users] Maximum attachment size

2019-06-06 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 6/6/19 4:58 PM, Bryan Blackwell wrote: > > Yep, I get the "Bug in Mailman version 2.1.20" error page. This setup > handles other attachments pretty well, just this particular person posts much > larger files. Below is the log entry, it looks like an out of memory > condition. Perhaps I ne

Re: [Mailman-Users] Maximum attachment size

2019-06-06 Thread Carl Zwanzig
On 6/6/2019 4:58 PM, Bryan Blackwell wrote: This setup handles other attachments pretty well, just this particular person posts much larger files. Below is the log entry, it looks like an out of memory condition. Perhaps I need to tune python itself? This really sounds like a "too many errors i

Re: [Mailman-Users] Maximum attachment size

2019-06-06 Thread Bryan Blackwell
On Jun 5, 2019, at 8:13 PM, Mark Sapiro mailto:m...@msapiro.net>> wrote: > > On 6/5/19 2:18 PM, Bryan Blackwell wrote: >> >> I've run into an apparent limit in size - we send newsletters through one of >> our lists, and they can get large. One in particular runs over 20MB, and I >> get an erro

Re: [Mailman-Users] Upgrading mm 2.1.26 on Ubuntu 18.04 to 2.1.29

2019-06-06 Thread Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On Thu, 2019-05-23 at 09:40 -0400, Fabian A. Santiago wrote: > also, that wiki page you sent me mention an error with missing dnspython > and it states to run this: > > "sudo apt-get install python-dnspython" > > but that claims it's already instal

Re: [Mailman-Users] Upgrading mm 2.1.26 on Ubuntu 18.04 to 2.1.29

2019-06-06 Thread Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On Thu, 2019-05-23 at 09:04 -0400, Fabian A. Santiago wrote: > > Thanks for this heads up. i should also mention adding the ppa to my apt > sources fails on gpg signing key import. i had to do it manually, > searching for the key on ubuntu's keyserv

Re: [Mailman-Users] Upgrading mm 2.1.26 on Ubuntu 18.04 to 2.1.29

2019-06-06 Thread Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On Wed, 2019-05-22 at 08:42 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 5/21/19 5:20 PM, Fabian Aldo Santiago wrote: > > > > So I started over (restored snapshot) and then tried adding a ppa apt > > source which contains 2.1.29: > > > > https://launchpad.net/~

Re: [Mailman-Users] bounce mail transfer

2019-06-05 Thread Masaharu Kawada
Mark-san, Thank you very much for your response. I have given a shot, but no luck. Maybe I have something wrong in what I have done. Anyway, I will do some more test myself and see how it goes. I very much appreciate your help this time and very sorry to have asked you this many... Masaharu Kaw

Re: [Mailman-Users] bounce mail transfer

2019-06-05 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 6/5/19 6:51 PM, Masaharu Kawada wrote: > > In my case, /etc/mailman/aliase is the default file path and then what I > need to do is going for the steps below, is this right? > > 1.Create /etc/mailman/alias_overrides as follows. > > Note: The first line is copied from /etc/mailman/aliases and

Re: [Mailman-Users] bounce mail transfer

2019-06-05 Thread Masaharu Kawada
Mark-san, Thank you very much for your response. >'LISTNAME' and 'ISTNAME' (sic) are replaced with the actual list name >and '/path/to/mailman/mail/mailman' is replaced with the actual path. I am sorry that the abov e 'ISTNAME' was supposed to be 'LISTNAME'. I missed the first 'L' when I copied

Re: [Mailman-Users] Maximum attachment size

2019-06-05 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 6/5/19 2:18 PM, Bryan Blackwell wrote: > > I've run into an apparent limit in size - we send newsletters through one of > our lists, and they can get large. One in particular runs over 20MB, and I > get an error on the held messages page trying to process it. Currently we > have version 2.

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