Re: [mailop] Anyone else notice that MS Hotmail/o365 might not be following RFC?

2021-11-30 Thread Bastian Blank via mailop
Moin On Mon, Nov 29, 2021 at 01:57:54PM -0800, Michael Peddemors via mailop wrote: > No, Pipeline is not advertised, the RFC's say that when you send a command, > if you are NOT using pipelining, you need to wait for a response, and that > includes the QUIT.. wait for the receiving system to send

Re: [mailop] Anyone else notice that MS Hotmail/o365 might not be following RFC?

2021-11-29 Thread John Levine via mailop
It appears that Bill Cole via mailop said: >SMTP clients of all sorts have done this (and worse, e.g. just FIN after >getting a 250 at end-of-data) for at least 3 decades. I don't see how it >could possibly be useful at this late date to try to enforce that SHOULD >which only exists for a

Re: [mailop] Anyone else notice that MS Hotmail/o365 might not be following RFC?

2021-11-29 Thread Bill Cole via mailop
On 2021-11-29 at 20:00:14 UTC-0500 (Mon, 29 Nov 2021 17:00:14 -0800) Michael Peddemors via mailop is rumored to have said: It does sound like you are arguing for dropping QUIT altogether, Nope. I didn't say that or anything like that. QUIT is essential. The response to QUIT is superfluous.

Re: [mailop] Anyone else notice that MS Hotmail/o365 might not be following RFC?

2021-11-29 Thread Philip Paeps via mailop
On 2021-11-30 09:00:14 (+0800), Michael Peddemors via mailop wrote: On 2021-11-29 3:20 p.m., Bill Cole via mailop wrote: Michael Peddemors via mailop is rumored to have said: No, Pipeline is not advertised, the RFC's say that when you send a command, if you are NOT using pipelining, you need

Re: [mailop] Anyone else notice that MS Hotmail/o365 might not be following RFC?

2021-11-29 Thread Michael Peddemors via mailop
On 2021-11-29 3:20 p.m., Bill Cole via mailop wrote: On 2021-11-29 at 16:57:54 UTC-0500 (Mon, 29 Nov 2021 13:57:54 -0800) Michael Peddemors via mailop is rumored to have said: On 2021-11-29 6:57 a.m., Larry M. Smith via mailop wrote: On 11/24/2021, Michael Peddemors via mailop wrote: CONN:

Re: [mailop] Anyone else notice that MS Hotmail/o365 might not be following RFC?

2021-11-29 Thread Bill Cole via mailop
On 2021-11-29 at 16:57:54 UTC-0500 (Mon, 29 Nov 2021 13:57:54 -0800) Michael Peddemors via mailop is rumored to have said: On 2021-11-29 6:57 a.m., Larry M. Smith via mailop wrote: On 11/24/2021, Michael Peddemors via mailop wrote: CONN: 40.107.96.87 -> 25 GeoIP = [US] PTR =

Re: [mailop] Anyone else notice that MS Hotmail/o365 might not be following RFC?

2021-11-29 Thread Michael Peddemors via mailop
On 2021-11-29 6:57 a.m., Larry M. Smith via mailop wrote: On 11/24/2021, Michael Peddemors via mailop wrote: CONN: 40.107.96.87 -> 25 GeoIP = [US] PTR = mail-sn1anam02on2087.outbound.protection.outlook.com OS = Windows NT kernel Returning 250 ok [qp 3539411] for data QUIT command received,

Re: [mailop] Anyone else notice that MS Hotmail/o365 might not be following RFC?

2021-11-29 Thread Larry M. Smith via mailop
On 11/24/2021, Michael Peddemors via mailop wrote: CONN: 40.107.96.87 -> 25 GeoIP = [US] PTR = mail-sn1anam02on2087.outbound.protection.outlook.com OS = Windows NT kernel Returning 250 ok [qp 3539411] for data QUIT command received, args: And then it terminates the connection, SSL collapses,

Re: [mailop] Anyone else notice that MS Hotmail/o365 might not be following RFC?

2021-11-24 Thread ml+mailop--- via mailop
I am not criticizing qmail for this behaviour. If you need another example: The Postfix smtp(8) client normally does not wait for the server's reply to the QUIT command, and it never waits for the TCP final handshake to complete. So now you have two people, who know that they are doing, having

Re: [mailop] Anyone else notice that MS Hotmail/o365 might not be following RFC?

2021-11-24 Thread Michael via mailop
Umm.. not helpful, and if you are going to make inflammatory remarks, please sign it with your name.. Really isn't fair to call out Qmail, Dan Bernstein did an incredible amount of good in his day, and what version of Qmail are you using? Tell me if you see this happening in your logs, and if

Re: [mailop] Anyone else notice that MS Hotmail/o365 might not be following RFC?

2021-11-24 Thread ml+mailop--- via mailop
On Wed, Nov 24, 2021, Michael Peddemors via mailop wrote: > And then it terminates the connection, SSL collapses, without waiting for > the remote mail server to acknowledge the QUIT. Just like qmail? Maybe it's time to change the RFC? ___ mailop

[mailop] Anyone else notice that MS Hotmail/o365 might not be following RFC?

2021-11-24 Thread Michael Peddemors via mailop
CONN: 40.107.96.87 -> 25 GeoIP = [US] PTR = mail-sn1anam02on2087.outbound.protection.outlook.com OS = Windows NT kernel Returning 250 ok [qp 3539411] for data QUIT command received, args: And then it terminates the connection, SSL collapses, without waiting for the remote mail server to