On 2022-02-02 at 21:31 -0600, Scott Mutter wrote:
> Email - as we know it - should have been dead years ago. But instead
> we keep adding band-aid after band-aid after band-aid to the system.
Maybe what you call a band-aid was actually preferable?
> Why is it impossible to take a look at what I
On 2/2/2022 10:31 PM, Scott Mutter via mailop wrote:
> A lot of the issues stem from the way IT managers, and maybe technology
> managers in general bathe in arrogance. "There's no such thing as a
> good idea, unless it is *my* idea." It's easier to get blood out of a
> stone than for someone in
On 3/2/22 13:59, Andrew C Aitchison via mailop wrote:
To me any system that aims to replace email must be based on pushing
messages and have a distributed nature.
This means that deliverability issues are an inherent risk, in a way
that pulling messages from a central/unified service can avoid.
> Email - as we know it - should have been dead years ago. But instead we
> keep adding band-aid after band-aid after band-aid to the system.
It's not that people haven't tried. And not all of them have been
wholly unequipped to do so, either. You are of course aware of Professor
Dan J. Bernstein
Dnia 3.02.2022 o godz. 11:59:42 Andrew C Aitchison via mailop pisze:
>
> Having said that, my understanding is that deliverability is also an
> issue in Facebook. If some of my posts are not shown to some of my friends,
> without them telling Facebook that they did not want to see those messages,
On Wed, 2 Feb 2022, Scott Mutter via mailop wrote:
A lot of the issues stem from the way IT managers, and maybe technology
managers in general bathe in arrogance. "There's no such thing as a good
idea, unless it is *my* idea." It's easier to get blood out of a stone
than for someone in IT to a
Dnia 2.02.2022 o godz. 21:31:04 Scott Mutter via mailop pisze:
> Instant
> messaging and SMS can't as easily be spoofed, they may be fake but senders
> have to register on the platform in some way
Here in Poland we are now right in the middle of a real-life "experiment"
that will probably show ho
On 2/2/2022 7:31 PM, Scott Mutter via mailop wrote:
Why is it impossible to take a look at what Instant Messaging protocols,
SMTP, SMS do that make them successful and then blend those together
into a new "email-like" system?
Because replacing widespread systems is vastly harder than one wou
A lot of the issues stem from the way IT managers, and maybe technology
managers in general bathe in arrogance. "There's no such thing as a good
idea, unless it is *my* idea." It's easier to get blood out of a stone
than for someone in IT to admit that someone else's approach to something
has mer
Dnia 2.02.2022 o godz. 18:26:38 yuv via mailop pisze:
>
> Either it will go the other way, or folks will move away from email all
> together. I am moving away. I miss the ability to store away in
> Maildir format my correspondence and to look back in the archives to
> Eudora times and earlier,
On Wed, 2022-02-02 at 11:20 +0100, Jaroslaw Rafa via mailop wrote:
> Dnia 2.02.2022 o godz. 10:47:33 Carsten Schiefner via mailop pisze:
> > I start to earnestly wonder when folks [...]
> > will attempt to regain knowledge to run their own and small-scale
> > mail systems again
>
> I think it wil
On 02.02.2022 11:20, Jaroslaw Rafa via mailop wrote:
Dnia 2.02.2022 o godz. 10:47:33 Carsten Schiefner via mailop pisze:
Having now also read Michael's call for O365 assistance, I start to
earnestly wonder when folks are tired enough of having put their
email fate into the hands of a few mega-l
Dnia 2.02.2022 o godz. 10:47:33 Carsten Schiefner via mailop pisze:
> Having now also read Michael's call for O365 assistance, I start to
> earnestly wonder when folks are tired enough of having put their
> email fate into the hands of a few mega-large Mail Service Operators
> with kafkaesque and
Having now also read Michael's call for O365 assistance, I start to
earnestly wonder when folks are tired enough of having put their email
fate into the hands of a few mega-large Mail Service Operators with
kafkaesque and fully intransparent processes and instead will attempt to
regain knowledg
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