Re: [mailop] question regarding support for international characters {dkim-fail}

2018-04-18 Thread Annalivia Ford
: 11/04/2018 20:48 Subject:Re: [mailop] question regarding support for international characters {dkim-fail} Sent by:"mailop" At Google, Gmail can add support for other addresses without impacting that many other services (contacts and the sharing UI's for the oth

Re: [mailop] question regarding support for international characters {dkim-fail}

2018-04-11 Thread Brandon Long via mailop
At Google, Gmail can add support for other addresses without impacting that many other services (contacts and the sharing UI's for the other gsuite apps). Changing all of Google products to handle a primary id that's not just ascii is a much larger change across the company and coordinating thousa

Re: [mailop] question regarding support for international characters {dkim-fail}

2018-04-11 Thread Andris Reinman
I don’t think that most software even supports EAI addresses. When I built WildDuck IMAP server (https://github.com/nodemailer/wildduck ) then while I had EAI and other i18n aspects (SMTPUTF8, RFC6855 etc) planned from day one then it was really difficult

Re: [mailop] question regarding support for international characters {dkim-fail}

2018-04-11 Thread John R Levine
Curious, isn't it, that the MSP EAI support we've talked about here is exclusively for other people's addresses, not for their own users? I know a few Indian providers that offer EAI addresses and I think a Chinese one. It's not surprising that the US providers don't do so, since as you note

Re: [mailop] question regarding support for international characters {dkim-fail}

2018-04-11 Thread Ned Freed
> Besides, I have a sneaking suspicions that those who take the step of offering > addresses in scripts that have these issues are going to be so busy dealing > with visual similarity, address fakery, and similar issues that we'll be > lucky if they do any sort of normalization at all, let alone d

Re: [mailop] question regarding support for international characters {dkim-fail}

2018-04-11 Thread John R Levine
On Wed, 11 Apr 2018, Ned Freed wrote: MTAs, maybe. But your typical MTA also acts as an MSA. Mine's atypical, the MSA is a separate program that I haven't tried to fix yet. At this point I'm exchanging EAI mail with other places, using the scanning hack to decide whether to look for SMTPUTF8

Re: [mailop] question regarding support for international characters {dkim-fail}

2018-04-11 Thread Ned Freed
>> The Gmail and Hotmail support handles other people's UTF-8 addresses >> in mail but they still don't provide UTF-8 addresses on their own >> systems. > > From what I can tell, Gmail and outlook.com's support is basically "just send > UTF-8", that is, it will send EAI messages without the server

Re: [mailop] question regarding support for international characters {dkim-fail}

2018-04-10 Thread John R Levine
On Tue, 10 Apr 2018, Brandon Long wrote: I meant interpreting addresses in mail to my own mailboxes, the generalized version of case folding and subaddresses. Maybe you're right that undotted i's won't work in a lot of places, but I'd be surprised if they didn't work in Turkey. Aren't there st

Re: [mailop] question regarding support for international characters {dkim-fail}

2018-04-10 Thread Brandon Long via mailop
On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 11:32 AM John R Levine wrote: > >> The Gmail and Hotmail support handles other people's UTF-8 addresses > >> in mail but they still don't provide UTF-8 addresses on their own > >> systems. > > > > From what I can tell, Gmail and outlook.com's support is basically > "just s

Re: [mailop] question regarding support for international characters {dkim-fail}

2018-04-10 Thread John R Levine
The Gmail and Hotmail support handles other people's UTF-8 addresses in mail but they still don't provide UTF-8 addresses on their own systems. From what I can tell, Gmail and outlook.com's support is basically "just send UTF-8", that is, it will send EAI messages without the server offering the

Re: [mailop] question regarding support for international characters {dkim-fail}

2018-04-10 Thread Ned Freed
> In article > > you write: > >-=-=-=-=-=- > >-=-=-=-=-=- > >-=-=-=-=-=- > > > >Hello folks > > > >I've been tasked with finding out what the general consensus is on the > >support in email headers for International characters such as UTF-8 > >Charcacters and including things like accented char