Re: VIRGIL: Is The Aeneid Finished, Or Just Done?

1999-12-10 Thread David Wilson-Okamura
At 04:00 PM 12/9/99 -0500, matthewspencer wrote: maybe i am just dumb. entirely conceivable, in fact i am almost sure of it. i need to read the aeneid again. perhaps over break. i am tired, bye. Don't give up, Matthew! Regroup and reformulate!

Re: VIRGIL: Is The Aeneid Finished, Or Just Done?

1999-12-09 Thread Hans Zimmermann
David Wilson-Okamura schrieb: message forwarded by listowner, David Wilson-Okamura From: Paul O. Wendland [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 17:53:27 -0600 A better place to start from if you want to look for reflections of Aeneas' character in dying Turnus is the nice parallel

Re: VIRGIL: Is The Aeneid Finished, Or Just Done?

1999-12-09 Thread David Wilson-Okamura
At 12:27 PM 12/9/99 -0500, matthewspencer wrote: but to me, although the poem might end abruptly, compared to its predecessors, i am not sure how else the aeneid *could* have ended. i do not think that anybody disagrees that aeneas is greatly changed by the end, specifically in terms of how his

Re: VIRGIL: Is The Aeneid Finished, Or Just Done?

1999-12-09 Thread David Wilson-Okamura
message forwarded by listowner, David Wilson-Okamura From: Timothy Mallon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 10:22:36 PST It is interesting that the _Iliad_ ends with a reflection: the last element of the last word -damos is an adjective related to _damazein_ a word frequently used in

Re: VIRGIL: Is The Aeneid Finished, Or Just Done?

1999-12-09 Thread matthewspencer
3. What does it mean to call something in a poem artificial? Isn't it all artificial? yes, i phrased that poorly perhaps. not surprising, i have never been able to say what i mean. yes, we could call all poetry artiface, but should we be interested in a poem that makes no sense? to one who is

VIRGIL: Is The Aeneid Finished, Or Just Done?

1999-12-08 Thread David Wilson-Okamura
message forwarded by listowner, David Wilson-Okamura From: Paul O. Wendland [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 17:53:27 -0600 A better place to start from if you want to look for reflections of Aeneas' character in dying Turnus is the nice parallel between Turnus' limbs being undone by