Hi Karoonboonyanan,
I come from Malaysia. I do understand about the cultural issue regarding
foot in people especially in the South East Asia area.
Currently, from my observation, there is no setback from people in Malaysia
with the usage of foot as GNOME logo. Most of the people that are
El jue, 30-10-2008 a las 18:50 +, Calum Benson escribió:
Even an open palm, like the GPE logo, is
potentially offensive in some places.
Talk to the hand?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk_to_the_hand_(expression)
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Hello Theppitak,
you raised an interesting question. There a few precedents, but I doubt
those cases validate the solution you propose:
The first precedent that comes to mind is the reason the cheap sedan
from USSR was named Lada(archaic Slavic for beautiful girl) instead
of the original
On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 9:51 PM, Petr Kovar pmko...@gnome.org wrote:
Theppitak Karoonboonyanan t...@linux.thai.net, Sun, 2 Nov 2008 02:10:32
+0700:
On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 1:34 AM, Petr Kovar pmko...@gnome.org wrote:
Theppitak Karoonboonyanan t...@linux.thai.net, Sat, 1 Nov 2008
14:00:06
Andy Fitzsimon schrieb:
there's no escape from misinterpretation. just ask the gimp guys
The escape is thorough evaluation. Ignorance can never be an escape. But
I dont see a more thorugh evaluation happening because mostly ignorance
is the plan. You can never be sure 100% that nobody is
On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 12:13 AM, Luis Villa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://www.gnome.org/images/screenshots/2400-jacob-big
http://www.gnome.org/images/screenshots/2518-iain-big
http://www.gnome.org/images/screenshots/2520-ole-big
I always thought that was a fried egg. Huh.
Theppitak Karoonboonyanan wrote:
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 11:13 PM, Luis Villa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 11:08 AM, Murray Cumming [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I suggested that you ask the Art team, and that you then take their
suggestions to the board.
+1.
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 1:26 AM, Murray Cumming [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Maybe you could contact the GNOME Art team. They could make some
suggestions. Don't focus on the Gnome idea. Few people think of small
mythical beings when they think of GNOME. Unfortunately, I don't have a
good
On 6 Nov 2008, at 10:37, Theppitak Karoonboonyanan wrote:
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 1:26 AM, Murray Cumming [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Maybe you could contact the GNOME Art team. They could make some
suggestions. Don't focus on the Gnome idea. Few people think of
small
mythical beings when
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 6:51 PM, Calum Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 6 Nov 2008, at 10:37, Theppitak Karoonboonyanan wrote:
In my vague memory, some GNOME 1.x versions used to use a flower
logo at the main menu. And after some search, I've found some
evidences:
Ah yes. During our
On Thu, 2008-11-06 at 17:37 +0700, Theppitak Karoonboonyanan wrote:
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 1:26 AM, Murray Cumming [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Maybe you could contact the GNOME Art team. They could make some
suggestions. Don't focus on the Gnome idea. Few people think of small
mythical
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 11:08 AM, Murray Cumming [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, 2008-11-06 at 17:37 +0700, Theppitak Karoonboonyanan wrote:
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 1:26 AM, Murray Cumming [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Maybe you could contact the GNOME Art team. They could make some
suggestions.
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 11:13 PM, Luis Villa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 11:08 AM, Murray Cumming [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I suggested that you ask the Art team, and that you then take their
suggestions to the board.
+1.
It's artweb-list, not art.gnome.org, I suppose?
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 6:54 PM, Theppitak Karoonboonyanan
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 11:13 PM, Luis Villa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 11:08 AM, Murray Cumming [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I suggested that you ask the Art team, and that you then take their
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 11:33 PM, Simos Xenitellis
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As already suggested, delegating the choice of the new logo to the Art
Team is the typical thing to do.
Yes, thanks. That would be much better than my primitive drawings.
My concern is in the practicalities when
Theppitak Karoonboonyanan schrieb:
Thanks for suggestion. We have got some ideas from the discussion
so far. Please see a summary at:
http://live.gnome.org/FootAndCulturalIssue
You are listing Nepal (as referred by Wikipedia, no confirmation by
native people yet)
Thi extension is
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To: Sharuzzaman Ahmat Raslan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Cultural Issue with the Foot Logo
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 09:42:45 +0700
On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 7:39 PM, Sharuzzaman Ahmat Raslan
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I come from Malaysia. I do understand about the cultural issue regarding
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 4:06 PM, Thilo Pfennig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Theppitak Karoonboonyanan schrieb:
Thanks for suggestion. We have got some ideas from the discussion
so far. Please see a summary at:
http://live.gnome.org/FootAndCulturalIssue
You are listing Nepal (as referred by
Hi,
On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 1:13 PM, Sergey Panov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've mentioned those two examples in the wain attempt to prove that some
(many/most) of the cultural sensitivities are ridiculous to the point
of being foony.
When I saw foot(long, long time ago) as a Gnome Desktop
Murray Cumming schrieb:
To make something happen, I guess you need to suggest a particular
design. Then the GNOME board could approve it - you need to ask the
board for a simple yes/no decision or it won't happen.
That would be a very bad idea. Essentially a logo should be selected
with
On Sun, 2008-11-02 at 20:47 +0100, Thilo Pfennig wrote:
Murray Cumming schrieb:
To make something happen, I guess you need to suggest a particular
design. Then the GNOME board could approve it - you need to ask the
board for a simple yes/no decision or it won't happen.
That would be a
Murray Cumming schrieb:
This assumes that the GNOME artists and the GNOME board are idiots. Note
that I won't be discussing whether they are, or whether I am.
I never wrote or meant that. I think there are people inside the GNOME
community who have marketing experience and who could lead a
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 1:26 AM, Murray Cumming [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sun, 2008-11-02 at 17:25 +0700, Theppitak Karoonboonyanan wrote:
The problem I've met is a kind of barrier for new comers, as foot is
considered the least respected part of the body in my culture.
It's not that kind of
On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 11:04 AM, Theppitak Karoonboonyanan
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 10:44 PM, F Wolff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Vr, 2008-10-31 at 12:17 +0100, Petr Kovar wrote:
What about not using the foot logo, or introducing a new logo, if desirable,
in Thai (and
Theppitak Karoonboonyanan [EMAIL PROTECTED], Sat, 1 Nov 2008 14:00:06
+0700:
(...)
Let me add another difference between the direct logo localization
and the icon theming methods.
Many Thai users don't like to use Thai translation. This is a popular
taste, despite how much translation
On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 1:34 AM, Petr Kovar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Theppitak Karoonboonyanan [EMAIL PROTECTED], Sat, 1 Nov 2008 14:00:06
+0700:
Let me add another difference between the direct logo localization
and the icon theming methods.
Many Thai users don't like to use Thai
Theppitak Karoonboonyanan [EMAIL PROTECTED], Sun, 2 Nov 2008 02:10:32
+0700:
On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 1:34 AM, Petr Kovar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Theppitak Karoonboonyanan [EMAIL PROTECTED], Sat, 1 Nov 2008
14:00:06 +0700:
Let me add another difference between the direct logo localization
On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 2:00 PM, Theppitak Karoonboonyanan
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In summary, I'd propose icon theming + GNOME recognition of the
secondary logo.
I've tried creating an icon theme using the hat logo.
http://linux.thai.net/~thep/shots/gnome-logo/Hat-20081102.tar.gz
This
On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 10:44 PM, F Wolff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Vr, 2008-10-31 at 12:17 +0100, Petr Kovar wrote:
What about not using the foot logo, or introducing a new logo, if desirable,
in Thai (and Lao, and perhaps some others) locale only? Would the logo
change be sufficient
Dear gnome-i18n,
I believe this is an appropriate place to discuss about cultural
conventions.
How is a foot interpreted in your culture? Do you have the same
issue I have met? In my culture, showing foot is considered rude.
And the foot is not something to impress people who are totally new
to
How is a foot interpreted in your culture? Do you have the same
issue I have met? In my culture, showing foot is considered rude.
And the foot is not something to impress people who are totally new
to GNOME.
As a mongolian, I don't have anything against foot. And neither to
other people. They
On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 2:38 PM, DULMANDAKH Sukhbaatar
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As a mongolian, I don't have anything against foot. And neither to
other people. They get interested what the foot and GNOME is. Just
that.
Thanks. So, it's not a problem for Mongolian.
Personally, I like it,
Hi Dave,
Dave wrote:
Which countries?
Besides Thailand and Nepal due to the material online I would add:
Algeria, Egypt, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Libya, Morocco, Saudi
Arabia, Quatar, Sudan, Syria, Tunisia, United, Arab Emirates and also
Pakistan, Afghanistan and other muslim
On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 4:14 PM, Alex Hudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If we're looking at a cultural problem in Islamic countries, there is some
precedent there for having separate logos: Red Cross / Red Crescent have
different symbols because the cross is offensive in those areas too (even
Hi,
Thilo Pfennig wrote:
Dave wrote:
When abandoning a logo, you are in essence saying that it has no value to
you.
snip
I think my view is very different from yours. You are trying to defend a
logo, which has served GNOME for many years.
I am simply pointing out that (1) the logo has
Thilo Pfennig wrote:
Besides Thailand and Nepal due to the material online I would add:
Algeria, Egypt, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Libya, Morocco, Saudi
Arabia, Quatar, Sudan, Syria, Tunisia, United, Arab Emirates and also
Pakistan, Afghanistan and other muslim countries maybe those with
Dave Neary wrote:
My view is that if people all over the world are using the GNOME desktop
moas their primary computing environment, people in Thailand won't decide
not to use it because of the foot.
My other view is that (as has been said repeatedly on this list) GNOME
does not have a direct
Thilo Pfennig wrote:
Hi Dave,
Dave wrote:
Which countries?
Besides Thailand and Nepal due to the material online I would add:
Algeria, Egypt, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Libya, Morocco, Saudi
Arabia, Quatar, Sudan, Syria, Tunisia, United, Arab Emirates and also
Pakistan,
On 30 Oct 2008, at 09:24, Theppitak Karoonboonyanan wrote:
You mean something the GPE project is currently using?
http://gpe.handhelds.org/
Actually, I'd guess a hand is probably the worst choice, as there are
probably more offensive hand gestures than are possible with any other
part of
Behdad Esfahbod schrieb:
Really? Definitely not in Iran. And not in Turkey as far as the GUADEC
experience could tell. How did you decide it's offensive in Islamic
countries?
Maybe its more in arabic countries.
I knew that from different sources and its also in the Wikipedia
On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 7:39 PM, Sharuzzaman Ahmat Raslan
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I come from Malaysia. I do understand about the cultural issue regarding
foot in people especially in the South East Asia area.
Currently, from my observation, there is no setback from people in Malaysia
with
Theppitak Karoonboonyanan wrote:
Some people simply refuse GNOME with the reason
that it's impolite.
That sometimes makes me feel uncomfortable to
promote GNOME to new users as-is, or with
distributions that try to keep upstream look-and-feels
like Debian. But with Ubuntu or Fedora, where the
On 29 Oct 2008, at 09:18, Theppitak Karoonboonyanan wrote:
Hello,
I have thought about this issue for a while whether it
should be raised or not, as the logo has been in use
for a long time. And I'm not sure if it's ever discussed
anywhere about the cultural issue with the GNOME's
foot logo,
It's quite funny to see how GNOME HIG advises to avoid body parts, but
the actual GNOME logo is a foot(print).
Do people in Thailand give the same reaction if the logo was a shoe? :)
If not http://tango.freedesktop.org/favicon.ico could be an option.
Hylke
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 10:18 AM,
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 6:29 PM, Hylke Bons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It's quite funny to see how GNOME HIG advises to avoid body parts, but
the actual GNOME logo is a foot(print).
Do people in Thailand give the same reaction if the logo was a shoe? :)
If not
Hi,
Theppitak Karoonboonyanan wrote:
However, how about moving away from that part of the body?
The following might be culturally offensive in some countries:
()()
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Dave.
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On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 7:38 PM, Žygimantas Beručka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Tr, 2008 10 29 19:15 +0700, Theppitak Karoonboonyanan rašė:
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 6:29 PM, Hylke Bons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It's quite funny to see how GNOME HIG advises to avoid body parts, but
the actual
Hi,
Thilo Pfennig wrote:
Yeah, wouldnt GNOME 3.0 not a good chance to make a logo overhaul? I
would suggest to try a new thing. AFAIK similar problems can occur in
arabic and muslim countries. Maybe something like a GNOME hat
(http://www.garbtheworld.com/items/g0085.shtml).
Whenever I hear
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 7:58 PM, Vincent Untz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
All the places where we show a GNOME foot should be themed, so just
changing the icon theme should work. If this is not the case, then it's
a bug, I'd say.
(that's actually why you don't see the GNOME foot in Fedora, I
Dave Neary schrieb:
Whenever I hear people propose abandoning an old logo completely, this
question comes back to me:
I did not propose this just for fun. If it means that GNOME will never
be used in maybe 1/4 of the worlds countries it would be stupid not to
change. The question is if one
Am Mittwoch, den 29.10.2008, 19:03 +0100 schrieb Thilo Pfennig:
Dave Neary schrieb:
Whenever I hear people propose abandoning an old logo completely, this
question comes back to me:
I did not propose this just for fun. If it means that GNOME will never
be used in maybe 1/4 of the
Hi,
Thilo Pfennig wrote:
Dave Neary schrieb:
Whenever I hear people propose abandoning an old logo completely, this
question comes back to me:
I did not propose this just for fun.
I understand. I did not reply in jest.
When abandoning a logo, you are in essence saying that it has no
On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 3:06 AM, Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thilo Pfennig wrote:
The question is if one wants to neglect cultural differences.
With GNOME the question is how localization and internationalization are
related to symbols that offend some people. I do not think it is
On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 3:06 AM, Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Which countries?
Some of Thailand's neighbors certainly share this convention.
I've got a confirmation from my Lao friend (Anousak in Cc:), at least.
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