Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] O, Dialectics! :Bakhurst

2005-06-22 Thread Ralph Dumain
As I see it, your clarifications are even more nonsensical than your original statements. Science is the representation of reflections on practical labour activity rather than on social activity. Comment: it is the identity of the means of representation of ethics and of science both in

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] O, Dialectics! :Bakhurst

2005-06-22 Thread Ralph Dumain
I am confused by this beyond the reasonably clear first and third sentences of the first paragraph and the first sentence of the second paragraph. At 07:51 PM 6/20/2005 +0200, Victor wrote: I regard Ilyenkov's contribution rather as the Logic (method or met) for a practical (materialist or

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] O, Dialectics! :Bakhurst

2005-06-22 Thread Ralph Dumain
Comments to selected extracts below At 01:43 PM 6/19/2005 +0200, Victor wrote: Ideality like spoken language is not one thing or another, but two things, the objectified notion in consciousness and its material representation by some form of language, united as a more concrete concept, the

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] O, Dialectics! :Bakhurst

2005-06-22 Thread Victor
The originals were certainly rubbish and needed revision. Your objections to the revisions need to be explained. - Original Message - From: Ralph Dumain [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: marxism-thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 10:11 Subject: Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] O,

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] O, Dialectics! :Bakhurst

2005-06-22 Thread Victor
I've isolated the difficult passages and commented on them below. - Original Message - From: Ralph Dumain [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: marxism-thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 10:16 Subject: Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] O, Dialectics! :Bakhurst I am confused by this beyond

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] O, Dialectics! :Bakhurst

2005-06-22 Thread Victor
Comments on the commentary included below. - Original Message - From: Ralph Dumain [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: marxism-thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 10:25 Subject: Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] O, Dialectics! :Bakhurst Comments to selected extracts below At 01:43 PM

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] O, Dialectics! :Bakhurst

2005-06-22 Thread Ralph Dumain
At 02:12 PM 6/22/2005 +0200, Victor wrote: Hegel regards objectification as simply the alienation of spirit in the object. The ideal itself is the alienated spirit that has become a universal through the mediation of language. True, I've not addressed the problem of whether Hegel regarded