[Marxism-Thaxis] People's History of Science

2006-03-01 Thread Charles Brown
rosa lichtenstein Charles, I did not thank you for that reference in order to initiate a debate, but becasues I was genuinely grateful. And we have been through this before. [I forgot that whatever replies I made to you would go across the e-mail list, so no wonder you thought I wanted a

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] People's History of Science

2006-03-01 Thread Rosa Lichtenstein
Charles, thanks for those comments. I absolutely agree, much anti-dialectic stuff is hackneyed to high heaven. As to my claim that my ideas are largely original to me, you will have to check for yourself. What can I say...? You know. Like that Lenin is using a metaphysical concept when he

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] People's History of Science

2006-03-01 Thread Dogangoecmen
rosa, charles, sorry for geting involved in this talk. just one remark: rosa says class struggle will go on. how can she say that if she rejects the concept of dialectic. since it is dilectic itself that reveals itself in the class strugle and if she says class struggle will go on then

[Marxism-Thaxis] Reporter for LCR's Rouge: Morales is going in the direction of satisfying popular demands

2006-03-01 Thread Fred Feldman
IV Online magazine : IVP375 - February 2006 Bolivia The Morales government http://www.internationalviewpoint.org/auteur.php3?id_auteur=371 Herve do Alto Following the victory of Evo Morales and the MAS Herve Do Alto sends us his first impressions of the new MAS government. On the

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] People's History of Science

2006-03-01 Thread Ralph Dumain
When I was first apprised of this web site, I read a few chapters, but did not make it to the text quoted My initial impression was that the author was a victim of an extremely sectarian milieu and had to go through quite an ordeal digging herself out of it. The marks of this sectarianism are

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] People's History of Science

2006-03-01 Thread Rosa Lichtenstein
This is an odd comment! The class struggle is not dependent on the 'dialectic', an idealist notion Hegel pinched from Hermetic philosophers. We do not need this mystical theory to provide a scientific account of history. In fact, it gets in the way, since it is incomprehensible. Anyway,

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] People's History of Science

2006-03-01 Thread Rosa Lichtenstein
Ralph, As far as my comments on wave-particle duality were concerened, I was of course not trying to resolve this paradox (how could I? I am not a physicist!). I was merely pointing out that given the thesis that all of reality is contradictory, dialecticians should advise physicists to

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] People's History of Science

2006-03-01 Thread Ralph Dumain
I don't know how you construct your web pages, but I am unable to fully access this page using Internet Explorer. My computer keeps freezing up. After numerous attempts I have been able to get to the beginning of note 18. Yet I can access presumably much larger size files on other sites. I

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] People's History of Science

2006-03-01 Thread Ralph Dumain
Actually, the argument is framed in an entirely sectarian context, based on the experience of Trotskyism. Some examples from your home page: (1) Dialectical Materialism (DM) has been the official philosophy of active revolutionary socialists for over a hundred years. During that time, the

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] People's History of Science

2006-03-01 Thread rosa lichtenstein
Ralph, Thanks for the comments. I am sorry you cannot access the pages on my site. I do not know why that is. As to your specific points: 1) I wasn't sure what you were asking me here, or the relevance of the point you were making. I note in the introductory page that I am limiting myself

[Marxism-Thaxis] People's History of Science

2006-03-01 Thread Charles Brown
Rosa Lichtenstein Even so, since I rubbish all philosophical theories (ranging from all the classical ones you can name right through to Engles's naive views, and including Hegel's mystical clap trap) as ruling-class a priori superscience, your superficial skimming of my site is doubly in

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] People's History of Science

2006-03-01 Thread rosa lichtenstein
Well, I was a proto-Marxist long before I became a Trotskyist, and I was put off Marxism by the dialectical gobbledygook I encountered in books written by communists, and academic Marxists. It was neither good Philsophy, nor bad science. And the logic was a joke. So, I think you are reading

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] People's History of Science

2006-03-01 Thread Waistline2
What do you find naïve in Engel's views? Everything he wrote about science, mathematics and philosophy, although the word naive was a little too mild. I should have said rubbish. His other stuff I admire greatly. RL Comment Was Engels writings concerning science, mathematics and

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] People's History of Science

2006-03-01 Thread rosa lichtenstein
Ralph, As I have said, I am not interested in anything you have to say. End of correspondence. ___ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu To change your options or unsubscribe go to:

[Marxism-Thaxis] People's History of Science

2006-03-01 Thread Charles Brown
Rosa Lichtenstein ^ Comrades might like to think about this (taken from my site): The quandary facing dialecticians we might call the Dialecticians' Dilemma [DD]. The DD arises from the uncontroversial observation that if reality is fundamentally contradictory then any true theory should

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] People's History of Science

2006-03-01 Thread Ralph Dumain
Given time constraints, I can only look in designated places for specific pieces of information, esp. as I am not a comrade. The introduction to the argument however is revealing of several aspects of your orientation: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/rosa.l/page%2001.htm (1) exposure to

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] People's History of Science

2006-03-01 Thread Jim Farmelant
On Wed, 01 Mar 2006 13:53:28 -0500 Ralph Dumain [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Van Heijenoort argues that Engels was backwards with respect to the mathematics of his time, and also narrow-minded and provincial with respect to the history of science (anti-English prejudice) coupled with an

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] People's History of Science

2006-03-01 Thread Ralph Dumain
This is all quite so. Marx's knowledge of developments in the calculus was also behind the times, but Van Heijenoort absolves Marx of narrow-minded dogmatism. I still need to acquire a copy of that obscure bulletin containing Van H's arguments against Novack. For some reason, I can't find a

Re: [marxistphilosophy] Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] People's History of Science

2006-03-01 Thread Jim Farmelant
On Wed, 01 Mar 2006 16:01:24 -0500 Ralph Dumain [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This is all quite so. Marx's knowledge of developments in the calculus was also behind the times, but Van Heijenoort absolves Marx of narrow-minded dogmatism. I still need to acquire a copy of that obscure

Re: [marxistphilosophy] Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] People's History of Science

2006-03-01 Thread Ralph Dumain
Well, shiver me timbers! Didn't realize this was already online. It's a curious essay, given Van H's later evolution. It is characteristic of his dogmatism while he was in the Trotskyist movement. In 1942 he let CLR James have it, in an essay which I think is also online. Van is also not

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] People's History of Science

2006-03-01 Thread rosa lichtenstein
Apologies, one or two problems crept into the last e-mail after I ran a spell check. Here is the correct version: Charles, This passage was a response to several comrades who held the views I criticise, and it seemed to me it dealt with more general ideas that others held. So it was a

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] People's History of Science

2006-03-01 Thread andie nachgeborenen
As for critiques of Engels and diamat, there's little original left to say. Two sources that immediately come to mind are: James Scanlan, Marxism in the USSR (1985) Richard Norman (good) and Sean Sayers (bad), HEGEL, MARX, AND DIALECTIC. Both excellent. See also: Gustav Wetter,