Re: [MeeGo-dev] cross-armv7l-gcc, cross-armv5tel-gcc are not installable

2010-08-04 Thread Timo Jyrinki
2010/8/3 Kai Ruottu : > a cross GCC should be?" tells what is wrong... There aren't any binutils > installed for the the cross GCC in the i586-meego-linux hosted > crosstoolchains!  The binutils like 'armv7l-meego-linux-gnueabi-as' and > 'armv7l-meego-linux-gnueabi-ld' for the human user is there b

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Access to meego OBS

2010-08-04 Thread tero.kojo
> -Original Message- > From: meego-dev-boun...@meego.com [mailto:meego-dev-boun...@meego.com] > On Behalf Of ext Attila Csipa > Sent: 04 August, 2010 02:30 > To: Development for the MeeGo Project (discussion list) > Subject: Re: [MeeGo-dev] Access to meego OBS > > On Wednesday 04 August 20

Re: [MeeGo-dev] [PATCH] Modify qmake project to also install binaries and resources.

2010-08-04 Thread Robin Burchell
Excerpts from fathi.boudra's message of Wed Aug 04 06:54:18 +0100 2010: > Could you use qmake variables when applicable? > ($$[QT_INSTALL_BINS] and $$[QT_INSTALL_PREFIX]) Certainly. I didn't think of that as I did this in a hurry last night, I'll take a look when I get time. :) -- Robin Burchell

[MeeGo-dev] Browser - Fennec / Webkit

2010-08-04 Thread Praveen Kumar A P
Hi, As per the handset day1 preview release and recent IVI 1.0 announcement, there is a indication of using QT based Fennec browser. Are there any specific reasons to go with Fennec browser? Webkit browser engine could give better performance as RAM requirement seem to be on higher side for Fe

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Browser - Fennec / Webkit

2010-08-04 Thread Roger WANG
"Praveen Kumar A P" writes: > Are there any specific reasons to go with Fennec browser? Webkit > browser engine could give better performance > > as RAM requirement seem to be on higher side for Fennec browser. Do you have benchmarks and numbers to support these statements? -- Roger WANG

[MeeGo-dev] kernel: config-generic policy

2010-08-04 Thread Ameya Palande
Hi, Since config-generic modifications might change things in ARM and x86 platforms, can we have a policy here to send config-generic changes to meego-dev mailing list for review before committing? Thanks! Cheers, Ameya. ___ MeeGo-dev mailing list Mee

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Browser - Fennec / Webkit

2010-08-04 Thread xizhi.zhu
No idea about the RAM consumption. If on performance we are talking about JavaScript benchmarking, WebKit is obviously faster than Fennec/Gecko. You can check some benchmarking result on N900 at: http://xizhizhu.blogspot.com/2010/05/javascript-benchmarking-on-n900-pr12.html Steven -Original

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Browser - Fennec / Webkit

2010-08-04 Thread Roger WANG
writes: > No idea about the RAM consumption. > > If on performance we are talking about JavaScript benchmarking, WebKit is > obviously faster than Fennec/Gecko. > You can check some benchmarking result on N900 at: > http://xizhizhu.blogspot.com/2010/05/javascript-benchmarking-on-n900-pr12.html

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Power management (applet)

2010-08-04 Thread Antonin Fouques
Thank you all !! That was exactly what I was looking for. And I found the answer to the real question I had : Meego doesn't use HAL anymore to check the power management, but devkit-power-gobject. Antonin Le 04/08/2010 03:42, Yang, Lei A a écrit : Hi, The moblin-dalston applet has been remo

Re: [MeeGo-dev] cross-armv7l-gcc, cross-armv5tel-gcc are not installable

2010-08-04 Thread Kai Ruottu
4.8.2010 10:00, Timo Jyrinki kirjoitti: 2010/8/3 Kai Ruottu: a cross GCC should be?" tells what is wrong... There aren't any binutils installed for the the cross GCC in the i586-meego-linux hosted crosstoolchains! The binutils like 'armv7l-meego-linux-gnueabi-as' and 'armv7l-meego-linux-gnueabi

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Access to meego OBS

2010-08-04 Thread Francisco Javier Cuadrado
2010/8/4 David Greaves : > On 03/08/10 23:13, Renato Araujo wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> I would like to know how I can get access to meego OBS to submit >> PySide packages with Python bindings to Qt, QtMobility and >> meego-touch? > > The MeeGo Community OBS is just about ready... it'll be the easiest p

Re: [MeeGo-dev] kernel: config-generic policy

2010-08-04 Thread Arjan van de Ven
On 8/4/2010 1:20 AM, Ameya Palande wrote: Hi, Since config-generic modifications might change things in ARM and x86 platforms, can we have a policy here to send config-generic changes to meego-dev mailing list for review before committing? everyone except the package maintainers are expect

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Power management (applet)

2010-08-04 Thread Arjan van de Ven
On 8/4/2010 2:09 AM, Antonin Fouques wrote: Thank you all !! That was exactly what I was looking for. And I found the answer to the real question I had : Meego doesn't use HAL anymore to check the power management, but devkit-power-gobject. maybe you should have asked that question instead ;-

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Browser - Fennec / Webkit

2010-08-04 Thread Arjan van de Ven
On 8/4/2010 1:15 AM, Praveen Kumar A P wrote: Hi, As per the handset day1 preview release and recent IVI 1.0 announcement, there is a indication of using QT based Fennec browser. Are there any specific reasons to go with Fennec browser? Webkit browser engine could give better performance

Re: [MeeGo-dev] kernel: config-generic policy

2010-08-04 Thread Ameya Palande
On Wed, 2010-08-04 at 13:07 +0200, ext Arjan van de Ven wrote: > On 8/4/2010 1:20 AM, Ameya Palande wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Since config-generic modifications might change things in ARM and x86 > > platforms, can we have a policy here to send config-generic changes to > > meego-dev mailing list for

Re: [MeeGo-dev] kernel: config-generic policy

2010-08-04 Thread Arjan van de Ven
On 8/4/2010 4:13 AM, Ameya Palande wrote: On Wed, 2010-08-04 at 13:07 +0200, ext Arjan van de Ven wrote: On 8/4/2010 1:20 AM, Ameya Palande wrote: Hi, Since config-generic modifications might change things in ARM and x86 platforms, can we have a policy here to send config-generic cha

[MeeGo-dev] Ang.: Re: Browser - Fennec / Webkit

2010-08-04 Thread stefan hakansson
Hi, would not a browser built on QtWebKit have a performance advantage over any stand alone browser since QtWebKit reuses performance optimizations and hw acceleration in a way a stand alone browser can not do? Can be important - especially on battery powered devices. --Stefan Den 4 aug 2010 13

Re: [MeeGo-dev] kernel: config-generic policy

2010-08-04 Thread Ameya Palande
On Wed, 2010-08-04 at 13:20 +0200, ext Arjan van de Ven wrote: > On 8/4/2010 4:13 AM, Ameya Palande wrote: > > On Wed, 2010-08-04 at 13:07 +0200, ext Arjan van de Ven wrote: > > > >> On 8/4/2010 1:20 AM, Ameya Palande wrote: > >> > >>> Hi, > >>> > >>> Since config-generic modifications mi

Re: [MeeGo-dev] kernel: config-generic policy

2010-08-04 Thread Carsten Munk
2010/8/4 Ameya Palande : > On Wed, 2010-08-04 at 13:20 +0200, ext Arjan van de Ven wrote: >> On 8/4/2010 4:13 AM, Ameya Palande wrote: >> > On Wed, 2010-08-04 at 13:07 +0200, ext Arjan van de Ven wrote: >> > >> >> On 8/4/2010 1:20 AM, Ameya Palande wrote: >> >> >> >>> Hi, >> >>> >> >>> Since config

Re: [MeeGo-dev] kernel: config-generic policy

2010-08-04 Thread Arjan van de Ven
On 8/4/2010 4:29 AM, Ameya Palande wrote: Skipping review check for what goes inside config-generic is not acceptable since it is also used by ARM. nobody is hiding what goes into config-generic, and additions get put at the end... so why don't you do your review based on what is there, ra

Re: [MeeGo-dev] kernel: config-generic policy

2010-08-04 Thread Igor Stoppa
On 08/04/2010 02:32 PM, ext Arjan van de Ven wrote: On 8/4/2010 4:29 AM, Ameya Palande wrote: Skipping review check for what goes inside config-generic is not acceptable since it is also used by ARM. nobody is hiding what goes into config-generic, and additions get put at the end...

Re: [MeeGo-dev] kernel: config-generic policy

2010-08-04 Thread Ameya Palande
On Wed, 2010-08-04 at 13:32 +0200, ext Arjan van de Ven wrote: > On 8/4/2010 4:29 AM, Ameya Palande wrote: > > Skipping review check for what goes inside config-generic is not > > acceptable since it is also used by ARM. > > > > nobody is hiding what goes into config-generic, and additions get

Re: [MeeGo-dev] kernel: config-generic policy

2010-08-04 Thread Arjan van de Ven
On 8/4/2010 5:11 AM, Igor Stoppa wrote: On 08/04/2010 02:32 PM, ext Arjan van de Ven wrote: On 8/4/2010 4:29 AM, Ameya Palande wrote: Skipping review check for what goes inside config-generic is not acceptable since it is also used by ARM. nobody is hiding what goes into config-generic, and a

Re: [MeeGo-dev] kernel: config-generic policy

2010-08-04 Thread Igor Stoppa
On 08/04/2010 03:39 PM, ext Arjan van de Ven wrote: config-generic is the set of defaults yes ... the platform specific configs are overrides to these defaults, so that the platform specific configs don't HAVE to deal with every config option. but in practice they _have_ to when t

Re: [MeeGo-dev] kernel: config-generic policy

2010-08-04 Thread Arjan van de Ven
On 8/4/2010 6:21 AM, Igor Stoppa wrote: On 08/04/2010 03:39 PM, ext Arjan van de Ven wrote: config-generic is the set of defaults yes ... the platform specific configs are overrides to these defaults, so that the platform specific configs don't HAVE to deal with every config option. bu

Re: [MeeGo-dev] kernel: config-generic policy

2010-08-04 Thread Igor Stoppa
On 08/04/2010 04:04 PM, ext Arjan van de Ven wrote: actually, especially in the embedded space we need something like this there's no way we can scale having to update 15 to 30 kernel config files individually every time there is a new config option. I'd rather expect to see something lik

Re: [MeeGo-dev] [PATCH] Modify qmake project to also install binaries and resources.

2010-08-04 Thread Thiago Macieira
On Wednesday 4. August 2010 02.54.18 fathi.bou...@nokia.com wrote: > Hi Robin :) > > > +target.path = /usr/bin > > > > > > +startivi.path = /usr/bin > > > > > > +images.path = /usr/share/ivihome > > Could you use qmake variables when applicable? > ($$[QT_INSTALL_BINS] and $$[QT_INSTALL_PREFIX

Re: [MeeGo-dev] kernel: config-generic policy

2010-08-04 Thread Cory T. Tusar
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/04/2010 09:43 AM, Igor Stoppa wrote: > On 08/04/2010 04:04 PM, ext Arjan van de Ven wrote: >> >> actually, especially in the embedded space we need something like this >> >> there's no way we can scale having to update 15 to 30 kernel config >> f

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Ang.: Re: Browser - Fennec / Webkit

2010-08-04 Thread Thiago Macieira
On Wednesday 4. August 2010 08.28.08 stefan hakansson wrote: > Hi, > > would not a browser built on QtWebKit have a performance advantage over any > stand alone browser since QtWebKit reuses performance optimizations and hw > acceleration in a way a stand alone browser can not do? Where did you g

Re: [MeeGo-dev] kernel: config-generic policy

2010-08-04 Thread Arjan van de Ven
On 8/4/2010 6:43 AM, Igor Stoppa wrote: MeeGo phones will have components that aren't strictly needed for phone, but are there for other device categories. MeeGo IVI will have the 3G phone components that they have no use for, to stay consistent etc etc. I strongly doubt it: probably the firs

Re: [MeeGo-dev] [PATCH] Modify qmake project to also install binaries and resources.

2010-08-04 Thread fathi.boudra
Hi Thiago, > > Could you use qmake variables when applicable? > > ($$[QT_INSTALL_BINS] and $$[QT_INSTALL_PREFIX]) > > Please don't do that. > > Those are Qt installation prefixes, not the application ones. Many > distributions put Qt's prefix in /usr/lib/qt4, including MeeGo. (see > the spec fil

Re: [MeeGo-dev] kernel: config-generic policy

2010-08-04 Thread Igor Stoppa
On 08/04/2010 04:51 PM, ext Arjan van de Ven wrote: (taking this outside kernel context); the SI's cannot do that and still call what they ship "MeeGo". Compliance requires most if not all of the things I mentioned to be there, and the trademark (and artwork) licenses depend on compliance.

Re: [MeeGo-dev] [PATCH] Modify qmake project to also install binaries and resources.

2010-08-04 Thread Thiago Macieira
On Wednesday 4. August 2010 10.54.28 fathi.bou...@nokia.com wrote: > Hi Thiago, > > > > Could you use qmake variables when applicable? > > > ($$[QT_INSTALL_BINS] and $$[QT_INSTALL_PREFIX]) > > > > Please don't do that. > > > > Those are Qt installation prefixes, not the application ones. Many >

Re: [MeeGo-dev] kernel: config-generic policy

2010-08-04 Thread Igor Stoppa
On 08/04/2010 05:30 PM, Igor Stoppa wrote: On 08/04/2010 04:51 PM, ext Arjan van de Ven wrote: (taking this outside kernel context); the SI's cannot do that and still call what they ship "MeeGo". Compliance requires most if not all of the things I mentioned to be there, and the trademark (an

Re: [MeeGo-dev] [MeeGo-Dev][PATCH] Topcliff: Update PCH_PHUB driver to 2.6.35

2010-08-04 Thread Greg KH
On Wed, Aug 04, 2010 at 01:25:26PM +0900, Masayuki Ohtake wrote: > - Original Message - > From: "Greg KH" > To: "Development for the MeeGo Project (discussion list)" > > Cc: "Khor, Andrew Chih Howe" > Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 11:47 PM > Subject: Re: [MeeGo-dev] [MeeGo-Dev][PATCH]

[MeeGo-dev] MeeGo Touch Framework memory benchmarks

2010-08-04 Thread Jackson, Thomas (Tom)
Hi, Curious if there are any official MeeGo Touch Framework memory benchmark documents available for developers? We have conducted some initial tests by installing packages and gathering the minimum and average memory footprint via /proc for many of the subsystems of the MeeGo Touch Framework, b

Re: [MeeGo-dev] systemd & meego?

2010-08-04 Thread Yves-Alexis Perez
On 02/08/2010 21:07, Auke Kok wrote: > well, I'm not saying they aren't, but I'm having doubts whether the > method of starting daemons in parallel while they all wait-and-block for > dependencies will work, and provide the speedy boot needed on low-power > devices. One of my fears is that somethin

[MeeGo-dev] MeeGo Conference 2010 Call for Session Proposals

2010-08-04 Thread Foster, Dawn M
Do you want to speak at the MeeGo Conference in Dublin, Ireland on November 15 - 17? The call for session proposals has started, and anyone who wants to speak at the conference must submit a proposal. Proposals from community members, Intel, Nokia, the Linux Foundation and others will all be g

Re: [MeeGo-dev] State of ARM N900 kickstart-generated image?

2010-08-04 Thread Eugene Seah
Thanks Jose, That helps a lot, examining the builds, it seems like the 1.0.80.11 builds are the first to pick up gcc 4.5.0 where the problem lies. Looks like gcc 4.5.1 (which should have the fix, according to http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3936 and http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.c

Re: [MeeGo-dev] systemd & meego?

2010-08-04 Thread Arjan van de Ven
On 8/4/2010 9:38 AM, Yves-Alexis Perez wrote: On 02/08/2010 21:07, Auke Kok wrote: well, I'm not saying they aren't, but I'm having doubts whether the method of starting daemons in parallel while they all wait-and-block for dependencies will work, and provide the speedy boot needed on low-po

[MeeGo-dev] jhbuild modulesets for MeeGo etc.

2010-08-04 Thread Elliot Smith
A few questions and request for opinions... I currently do (small) amounts of maintenance on the jhbuild moduleset for MeeGo netbook: http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-netbook-ux/meego-jhbuild-netbook This is based on GNOME's jhbuild and enables you to build libraries in a "sandbox" style environ

Re: [MeeGo-dev] [PATCH] Modify qmake project to also install binaries and resources.

2010-08-04 Thread Robin Burchell
Excerpts from Thiago Macieira's message of Wed Aug 04 14:41:55 +0100 2010: > > Could you use qmake variables when applicable? > > ($$[QT_INSTALL_BINS] and $$[QT_INSTALL_PREFIX]) > > Please don't do that. So... do we have a conclusion to this discussion? Do I use the variables, or do I leave the p

[MeeGo-dev] [PATCH] ivihome: Remove a completely unused signal.

2010-08-04 Thread Robin Burchell
Nothing in the codebase actually listens to this signal, looks a bit vestigial. --- scrollMenuList.cpp |8 scrollMenuList.h |1 - 2 files changed, 0 insertions(+), 9 deletions(-) diff --git a/scrollMenuList.cpp b/scrollMenuList.cpp index 5ce95cb..f2d0f1e 100644 --- a/scrollMenu

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Ang.: Re: Browser - Fennec / Webkit

2010-08-04 Thread stefan hakansson
"Where did you get that information from?" Honestly, it is more of a guess. But my understanding is that QtWebKit uses GStreamer for media, and that GStreamer is in turn using the available platform resources in an efficient way. In contrast (still to my understanding that may be wrong) browsers s

[MeeGo-dev] ARM softfloat or hardfloat?

2010-08-04 Thread Jeremiah Foster
Hello, What is MeeGo planning to do with regards to ARM hardfloat or softfloat? What is the rationale behind the choice? Some background information here: http://wiki.debian.org/ArmHardFloatPort Jeremiah ___ MeeGo-dev mailing list Mee

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Ang.: Re: Browser - Fennec / Webkit

2010-08-04 Thread Roger WANG
stefan hakansson writes: >In contrast (still to my understanding that may be wrong) browsers such >as Chrome and Fennec uses their own media frameworks that are in a much >worse position when it comes to utilize platform specific capabilities. That's not true here. At least in MeeGo Fennec we su

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Ang.: Re: Browser - Fennec / Webkit

2010-08-04 Thread Wolfgang Rosenauer
Am 04.08.2010 23:18, schrieb stefan hakansson: > "Where did you get that information from?" > > Honestly, it is more of a guess. But my understanding is that QtWebKit > uses GStreamer for media, and that GStreamer is in turn using the > available platform resources in an efficient way. In contrast

[MeeGo-dev] Anyone got Qt-recordmydesktop installed on MeeGo 1.0.8?

2010-08-04 Thread Radi, Rami
If anyone has been able to successfully install Qt-recordmydesktop on MeeGo 1.0.8 (any build), I would really appreciate it if you can share how you did that. When configuring I get an error saying error: you need PyQt4>=4.1 installed to proceed. I do have all Qt, python libraries installed, a

Re: [MeeGo-dev] ARM softfloat or hardfloat?

2010-08-04 Thread Arjan van de Ven
On 8/4/2010 2:36 PM, Jeremiah Foster wrote: Hello, What is MeeGo planning to do with regards to ARM hardfloat or softfloat? What is the rationale behind the choice? Some background information here: http://wiki.debian.org/ArmHardFloatPort Jeremiah it's my understanding

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Ang.: Re: Browser - Fennec / Webkit

2010-08-04 Thread Martin Sandsmark
On Wed, Aug 04, 2010 at 11:18:18PM +0200, stefan hakansson wrote: > Honestly, it is more of a guess. But my understanding is that QtWebKit uses > GStreamer for media, and that GStreamer is in turn using the available > platform resources in an efficient way. In contrast (still to my > understanding

Re: [MeeGo-dev] ARM softfloat or hardfloat?

2010-08-04 Thread Thiago Macieira
On Wednesday 4. August 2010 20.15.35 Arjan van de Ven wrote: > On 8/4/2010 2:36 PM, Jeremiah Foster wrote: > > Hello, > > > > What is MeeGo planning to do with regards to ARM hardfloat or softfloat? > > What is the rationale behind the choice? > > > > Some background information h

Re: [MeeGo-dev] ARM softfloat or hardfloat?

2010-08-04 Thread Carsten Munk
2010/8/5 Arjan van de Ven : > On 8/4/2010 2:36 PM, Jeremiah Foster wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >>        What is MeeGo planning to do with regards to ARM hardfloat or >> softfloat? What is the rationale behind the choice? > > > it's my understanding that n900 supports hard float... so that's what we're

Re: [MeeGo-dev] ARM softfloat or hardfloat?

2010-08-04 Thread Zhang, Austin
Nope, we are using softfp rather than soft. -Original Message- From: meego-dev-boun...@meego.com [mailto:meego-dev-boun...@meego.com] On Behalf Of Carsten Munk Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 1:19 PM To: Development for the MeeGo Project (discussion list) Subject: Re: [MeeGo-dev] ARM soft

Re: [MeeGo-dev] ARM softfloat or hardfloat?

2010-08-04 Thread Zhang, Austin
So any concern on switch softfp to hard? Meanwhile, what compiler is being used for Maemo 5 build? Does it support Neon naturally? And as you may know, so far, we had switch compiler to 4.5.0, so seemed it is also time to change those flags. -Original Message- From: meego-dev-boun...@m