LT Don wrote:
1G1JC5246V7281513
1st digit vin is country of origin.
1 is USA (probably Lordstown)
2 is Canada
3 is Mexico
Jeff Zedic wrote:
I would guess that it was either because ofthe fuel economy, lackthereof
by UK standards, age and quite possibly that it had some fault that
didn't allow it to pass the MOT.
I thought it was road ready, 695 pounds with tax, tags, etc from what I
recall Vicki saying at the
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=250013285473ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:AU:1
Any takers?
Would make a great addition for the bar/pool room/garage or your AMG Merc.
One of the local car lots had a couple of MB's, and they leave them
unlocked, so I stopped by and looked. 03 or so E320, I cant believe how
cheap the interior was. Sunvisors were just cheap cloth with cheap
little flip open mirrors. The wood appeared to be fake, plastic
everywhere. Cheap
no, I didnt notice any.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I still can't understand how they found that great W124 station wagon for
?695 - at current conversion that's $1294.47. I'd buy it in a minute unless
there's 400+k (I know, just broken in good) without any records..
It was a rustbucket that
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-1981-mercedes-benz-300-sd-turbo-diesel-w126_W0QQitemZ330013345759QQihZ014QQcategoryZ6330QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
--
Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL,
85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2,
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-Turbo-Diesel-Mercedes-Benz-300D-Turbo-Diesel_W0QQitemZ260014914852QQihZ016QQcategoryZ6330QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
--
Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL,
85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2,
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-87-Mercedes-300SDL-turbo-diesel-Biodiesel_W0QQitemZ290013566082QQihZ019QQcategoryZ6330QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
--
Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL,
85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-300SDL-TURBO-NO-RESERVE-CLEAN-NEEDS-TLC-5-DAY-AUCTION_W0QQitemZ250013328725QQihZ015QQcategoryZ6330QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL,
85 380SE, 85 300D, 84
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Scott Ritchey wrote:
Does anyone have the schematic for the 126 (82 300 SD) climate control
pushbutton box?
Mine has gotten a little flakey lately so thought I might try some focused
troubleshooting vs. blind resoldering. The basic symptom is that it takes
quite a while until it really
Damn. Disregard my previous post. :-)
On 7/30/06, Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Scott Ritchey wrote:
Does anyone have the schematic for the 126 (82 300 SD) climate control
pushbutton box?
Mine has gotten a little flakey lately so thought I might try some
focused
troubleshooting
On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 09:59:29 +0930 Hendrik Riessen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=250013285473ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:AU:1
Any takers?
I don't know what the conversion from AU $ to US $ is, but I'm fairly
certain that AU $1,000,000 is a fair piece of
Hendrik --
Speaking of AMG ...
I live in a small rural Iowa town in the midst of the agricultural region (
http://www.jeffersoniowa.com/). There is a law firm across the street from
my office and we occasionally see an M-Class Benz or a Lexus SUV parked
there, driven in from the big city by an
They are all cheap when there is six plus days left
Here is my search for cheap MB diesels.
On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 22:28:52 -0500 Rick Knoble [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
They are all cheap when there is six plus days left
Here is my search for cheap MB diesels.
You don't know the secret handshake yet?
On 7/30/06, Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 22:28:52 -0500 Rick Knoble [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
They are all cheap when there is six plus days left
Here is my search for cheap MB diesels.
I will be heading out and if they are there, I will salvage them
-- Original message --
From: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
There is a white 201 waiting to hit the yard at PnP. It was swiped on
passenger side, but looks to be ok on the front. Drooling at
It's around $700K US so crack is abundant there too! I'll be there early
September hope it's not sold so I can score a bargain
Dennis T
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Craig McCluskey
Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 7:56 PM
To: Mercedes
It's really sad what unusual licence plates go for in theUK/Oz..and then
there's the sad bastard with too much money that buys it.hahaha
Jeff Zedic
Toronto
On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 23:53:54 -0400 LT Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You don't know the secret handshake yet?
I apparently do not. Please enlighten me.
Craig
I will as soon as I learn it.
Actually, it is but the URL from a search. EBay motors lets you put in
parameters on which to search.
On 7/31/06, Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 23:53:54 -0400 LT Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You don't know the secret handshake
Folks,
The daughters new (to her) 1995 E300D has quit on her a couple of times, it
left her stranded the other night. She thought she had run out of fuel
although the gage said she had a bit under 1/2 a tank. She did not attempt
to start it in case it was out of fuel. She returned to the vehicle
It's been said many times before. They just don't make 'em like they used
to. They've got airbags everywhere, ABS and other modern gadgetry, but no
quality, a sad, sad state of affairs.
Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon
1981 300CD 204K miles, Giesela
Neither did I. Chaps my ass; what a waste.
On 7/30/06, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
no, I didnt notice any.
Casey
Olympia, WA
Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state
'87 300TD intercooler #22 (216k)
'84 300D (214k)
Gashuffer:
'89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K)
I think you should be distinctive and pronounce the car name in the original
French: Please step aside sir, ah drive a Chev-ro-lay Cav-ahl-ee-ay
Respect is bound to come your way.
Casey
Olympia, WA
Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state
'87 300TD intercooler #22 (216k)
'84 300D
Dennis, IIRC the OM606 series is notorious for having fuel leaks with the
fittings near the fuel filter(s), which allows fuel out and/or air into the
system. I'd check to make sure all these fittings are tight and install new
o-rings and hoses. Unfortunately, that's all I got for ya.
Good
You must have seen the famous AMG ghost car:-)
Seriuosly have a look here
http://www.mercedes-damien.com/historique/amg%20sous%20menu/AMG%20W126/amg%20w126.htm
was it something like this?
- Original Message -
From: LT Don [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Like anyone would be stupid enough to fork that kind of cash out on
anything over one cheesy photo to a zero feedback seller??
Who knows, it might happen. That kind of money and brains aren't known
to travel in the same circles.
--Robert
Hendrik Riessen wrote:
BINGO --- that is exactly what I saw.
Do I win a prize?
On 7/31/06, Hendrik Riessen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You must have seen the famous AMG ghost car:-)
Seriuosly have a look here
http://www.mercedes-damien.com/historique/amg%20sous%20menu/AMG%20W126/amg%20w126.htm
was it something like
Daughter did take three years of French in high school in high school and is
going to major in anthropology. Maybe you have discovered the topic for her
Master's Thesis in six years!
On 7/31/06, Zeitgeist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think you should be distinctive and pronounce the car name in
And when the return hoses leack, you can get about a quart of fuel filling the
injecter holes. Had to replace hose today. What a mess. BioD eats the foam
gasket on the useless black plastic doohickey.
clay
-- Original message --
From: Zeitgeist [EMAIL
http://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/car/187947192.html
all for $500
http://seattle.craigslist.org/kit/car/188177202.html
$300 for a 220b
http://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/car/187335612.html
This one is for Jim Cathey
http://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/car/186955886.html
Another one for Ed
So how do you get it to restrict the search to Ending within 3 days, Max
Price: $1,222.00 ? (How did you go about setting up the search?)
Those search parameters are in the left side panel (frame?) of any initial
eBay search. The panel is yellow. At the bottom of the panel, below the
show
HAHAHA, this is what happens when one is sick of being passed by bugs
On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 22:09:14 -0500, LT Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hendrik --
Speaking of AMG ...
snip
I was in absolute lust.
--
Luther KB5QHU
Alma, Ark
'83 300SD (236 kmi)
'82 300CD (160 kmi)
'82 300D
http://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/car/186955886.html
That could be a contender, but I promised my wife,
and myself, nothing more like that. For awhile!
http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/car/186777420.html
Gasser? Never said it was a diesel.
-- Jim
That's what I had thought, thanks for the confirmation . Unfortunately
its very expensive to do an oil analysis here , some $80 and not
practical ( out of touwn, courier etcetc ) so I have not had an oil
check done.
PEter
-Original Message-
From: Marshall Booth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
I just got the green goddess back from the shop last week-reman Bosch
alternator that I posted about-and it also had a hot brake smell and
significant pedal fade problem. They found no excessive wear signs on
the pads or rotors- so they flushed the brake fluid and replaced. They
drove it about 25
George wrote: I thought I was the only one silly enough to have a fan on
in my garage.
HAHAHAHA I have a 5000btu window AC in my 2 car garage! ;-) I have a
disease (similar to MS) that disabled me in '99 - and the meds I take mae me
sensitive to heat. My mother-in-law bought me a window
Howdy -
That agrees with the comments I've heard about overall low quality
starting in about 99 or 2000 - I spoke with a guy who bought a new '00 S430
and the paint was flaking off *all* the body panels revealing corrosion
where the paint was - never in an accident, always garaged, very
Hi Craig,
Look for the link to Advanced Search - here's one -
http://search.ebay.com/ws/search/AdvSearch?sofocus=bssacat=-1catref=C5from=R7nojspr=yfsop=1fsoo=1fcl=3frpp=50sofindtype=1pfid=
you may find a couple of levels of Detailed Searches so keep going deeper
into the details - you''ll
Hi Dennis,
I would not trust the after market security system - find it and
disable/remove it. The mid 90s diesels are not the thieves favorite
vehicle - if its stolen it'll be because it was unlocked with the keys in
it - if broken into it's because someone wants the radio or something left
Really.I was kinda wonderring what made them cheap with that many days
left...
Mike
- Original Message -
From: Rick Knoble [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 11:28 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] cheap SDL
They are all
No doubt. There was a gent trying to sell a set of custom Suzuki plates in
Oz on the Zuk list I am on.He started taking bids at like
$400US...Ridiculous if you ask me but he said that was cheap there.
Mike
- Original Message -
From: Jeff Zedic [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL
Hi Dwight -
Even if the calipers were remanufactured it may have a piston that is
sticking - when a brake is dragging, it's either the piston/s or the brake
hose is deterioating internally and not allowing the fuild to return and the
pistons to release.
I'd remove the caliper check the
Can't read it but wooohooo do they look like fun!!! Sharp too.
Mike
- Original Message -
From: LT Don [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 1:24 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] And you thought we where all normal over here
BINGO ---
I bet almost every 124 owner on the list would love the headlights
:) I dig the burlwood interior with the manual heat A/C controls,
as well as the snazzy cloth seats.
J.B.
At 12:58 AM 7/31/2006, you wrote:
Neither did I. Chaps my ass; what a waste.
On 7/30/06, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL
I think GM is very smart to say things like that. Most people are only as smart
as squirrels and can't think any farther ahead than yesterday and will
regularly do things not in their best interests if left to their own devices.
GM is essentially saying We won't take ANY responsibility if
On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And when the return hoses leack, you can get about a quart of fuel filling
the injecter holes. Had to replace hose today. What a mess. BioD eats the
foam gasket on the useless black plastic doohickey.
Yeah thats a ROYAL PITA. you need about 1/4
http://mechatronik.de/en/msl.htm
--
Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL,
85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D,
76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250
http://www.striplin.net
I have insulation and sheetrock on 2 walls - obviously can't do much
more
insulating on the big garage doors - but I have 1 more wall to do -
which is
shaded by trees so it's not too bad.
My sagging door was replaced with an insulated one, it made quite a
difference. Also, is the ceiling
Indy's. Right front wheel/hub cap was hot. So is it likely to still
be
fluid? Bad caliper? Brake lines?
Any of the above I suppose, but least likely to be fluid. Do you
_know_ that OOB-man actually did the work? Get that front brake
sticking and then jack it up, crack the bleeder, and see
Oh plauge and pestilence.
The powersteering leak I should have been fixing last weekend seems to have
bitten me on the behind today. Driving to work I noticed a very strong oil
smell that seemed to come and go. Once parked I noticed my car had left a trail
of red oil...
So its gotta be a PS
Hi Jim,
Yep, ceiling is insulated and both big doors are insulated. I have just one
more wall to do - the rear one. But I have so much junk on shelves on that
wall I really hesitate to get started - but I really need to finish it -
Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
www.youroil.net
I've never had a garage whatsoever. So when I replace the leaking PS hose it'll
be out on the pavement in front of my apartment building where they frown on
this sort of thing...
Starting next month I should have a 1 car garage at our new house. I'm
excited to have someplace to work out of
Howdy -
I noticed my odometer wasn't turning - I seem to recall discussion of a
plastic gear or fitting needed to repair this - or perhaps my memory is off
a different speedo part/problem?
What do I need to fix the odometer?
TIA -
Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
Casey:
I've always kept that little shut-off valve, on top of the fuel filter, wide
open.
Don't know if there is any reason to adjust it.
And the fuel systems on these 606's do have lots of ways to leak - both air
in and fuel out.
The worse area is around the fuel filters. About 2 out of 3
This guy is a riot. I like the part about being refused entry to an import
show because the car has the stock wheels, ride height and no stickers all
over it. Typical.
The scooter is wild too. There is another ones with the handlebars, not sure
of the right name). He also has a jet car, and not a
My brother in law came over and charged the AC in my 115 76 300D yesterday
afternoon. We put 134 in and it is
blowing cold air. At speed it is blowing down to about 52 degrees out the
centre vent so that is not bad. However,
I have a couple of issues to deal with. The auxiliary fan is not
The engine shut off valve should be all the way open
(counter-clockwise) under normal operation. It may or may not be
your problem, but it's certainly worth giving it a try and running it a bit.
J.B.
At 12:20 AM 7/31/2006, you wrote:
Folks,
The daughters new (to her) 1995 E300D has quit
Really.I was kinda wonderring what made them cheap with that many days
left...
Mike
Nothing, really. I have seen a $400 junker go from $300 to over $1100 in the
last minute of bidding.
Rick Knoble
'85 300 CD
'87 190 DT
My 76 300D has the one main fuse block on the left front fender. Just above and
ahead of it are 3 more small fuse
boxes. Two of them have pop off covers and the 3rd one has a threaded rod with
a knob on top that must be undone to
remove the cover.
Each of the 3 has 2 fuses.
One of the pop off
rumor has it that LarryT wrote:
I have insulation and sheetrock on 2 walls - obviously can't do much
more insulating on the big garage doors - but I have 1 more wall to
do - which is shaded by trees so it's not too bad.
Spray-on polyurethane can work well on the inside of a steel garage
Recently ran across a showroom-looking '79 280 SE, 157k miles, one
owner, $7,995. 515/295-7090. Gorgeous, appeared extremely well
maintained by someone who knew what they were doing. Just took a
quick look. Yellow. Know nothing else, had no time to dally. Located
in Algona, north-central Iowa.
Ned,
Thanks for the input. Is the little shut-of valve removal for resealing
(O-rings)? I cleaned the tank out and put a new screen in it -- replacing
filters at same time. I'll let her read you email is needs a confidence
build right now as she just found out old of her goddaughters has an
Ed Booher wrote:
I always thought it was you still harbored a hatred of Germans, and
hence, enjoy destroying Mercedes. Fifth Gear has destroyed Mercedes in
several different segments.
But having too much time on your hands is a good explanation too.
It's not like it's just a British
Steve MacSween wrote:
This guy is a riot. I like the part about being refused entry to an import
show because the car has the stock wheels, ride height and no stickers all
over it. Typical.
I've seen that page before. It's an awesome piece of work. Build
quality that puts wanna-be tuners
All you A/C DIYers -- here's your deal
*A/C MANIFOLD GAUGE SET*
Complete diagnostic and service gauge set for use on air conditioning
systems with R134A freon.
* Sight glass
* Quick-connect fittings
* High pressure safety valve
* Color-coding on gauges, valves and hoses
* ITEM
LarryT wrote:
Try to find out how the aftermarket security system works - I'm curious how
it might work - most work to cut the electrity but that won't do any good on
a diesel. If it doesn't attempt to disable the vehicle then it's not part
of the problem -
A lot of them are just
WHAT TASTE? Almost anything will improve it. All lite beer is cheap;
it is only water.
If it is transparent, it is NOT REAL beer.
Tom Potter
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 12:59 PM
To: Mercedes
Demolition Derbies hate Germans too?
On 7/31/06, David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ed Booher wrote:
I always thought it was you still harbored a hatred of Germans, and
hence, enjoy destroying Mercedes. Fifth Gear has destroyed Mercedes in
several different segments.
But having too
I have a ceiling fan in my garage -- but it was there when I bought the
house.
On 7/30/06, George Gregory [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I thought I was the only one silly enough to have a fan on in my garage.
--
--
Proudly marching to the beat of a different kettle of fish.
BIODIESEL -- no
That was my point. It would remove the lite beer taste so it tasted
like good water. I went to an Astros game last year, only thing they
had there was Miller Lite or some such, I had never had the stuff
before, had to get one with the dogs, it tasted awful, like really fizzy
soda with some
Don't they wear demolition derbies on work sites? I know the bankers
have some funky derbies, you see them in London occasionally looking
veddy bankerish, with the brolly and pinstripe suit, maybe the
(de)construction guys have their own versions?
--R
Ed Booher wrote:
Demolition Derbies
I always found that licking the joints and applying a bit of tissue or
toilet paper prevented the leaks. Never tried spray-on poly.
--R
Fmiser wrote:
rumor has it that LarryT wrote:
I have insulation and sheetrock on 2 walls - obviously can't do much
more insulating on the big garage
I have the TD, wonder where you can get a jet engine cheap? That one in
the car was from a helo, maybe over timed or something and sold cheap at
surplus auction? And he had those other two little ones too.
--R
David Brodbeck wrote:
Steve MacSween wrote:
This guy is a riot. I like the
Tom stated a fact:
If it is transparent, it is NOT REAL beer.
AMEN
Bob Rentfro
'77 300D 157K
'87 Acura Legend 177K
Still waiting on '72 350SL 78K
Litchfield Park, AZ
- Original Message -
From: Potter, Tom E [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
One of the pop off boxes has a red fuse and a white fuse. The white
one keeps blowing. I am wondering if both fuses should be red.
What does it fuse? Maybe we can work out its correct rating from that.
-- Jim
Reminds me, wifey wants me to brew up a batch for a work event in 3
weeks, guess I better go get the ingredients.
I was gonna start brewing my own beer several years ago. I got sidetracked
and now I don't drink alcohol. Does anyone have experience brewing root beer
or any other carbonated
The auxiliary fan is not running at all.
You know it's only supposed to come on when the AC system
gets 'too hot', right? It may be normal that it not come on
for you, except sometimes. My 114 didn't have any switch on
the AC system, since Yorks don't need a low-pressure safety
switch and
Curt Raymond wrote:
Oh plauge and pestilence.
The powersteering leak I should have been fixing last weekend seems to have
bitten me on the behind today. Driving to work I noticed a very strong oil
smell that seemed to come and go. Once parked I noticed my car had left a trail
of red oil...
I have made root beer, birch beer, and ginger beer. You can buy little
bottles of extract, at the grocery store or a home-brew shop, mix it up
with some water and sugar, or make a syrup and pour it in some fizzy
water. Or you can use it to do the yeast thing, that makes it fizzy but
also
I think it should be coming on. We were running the car in the garage and
watching the temperature of the engine
and of the cold air out of the vent. At one point the compressor was trying to
lock up and it stalled the car when
I tried to back out of the garage. My mechanic brother in law (he is
I can trace the wiring or pull the fuse and see what does not work. I just
thought that someone out there might
know or remember what the various fuse boxes are for or know where in the CD
manual to look. I could look at wiring
diagrams I suppose. That might tell me something as the older
Dennis:
Our prayers for your granddaughter.
The little O-rings for the shut off valve come with a Mann fuel filter.
The thimble type filter does not seem to come with the 2 O-rings it needs.
You have to ask Rusty to look them up separately. I've had trouble getting
the thimble filter to seal
Rich Thomas wrote:
I pour the mix in plastic 1
liter bottles, they swell up like (American) footballs but I have not
had any of them explode (though they do tip over when the bottoms get
puffed out).
They'll take a lot of pressure, but if one explodes, you'll really know
it. We used to
Rich Thomas wrote:
I have the TD, wonder where you can get a jet engine cheap? That one in
the car was from a helo, maybe over timed or something and sold cheap at
surplus auction? And he had those other two little ones too.
I've never tried to buy one, but that's the usual source.
So at lunch I went out and had a look at my leaky 190D, turns out its NOT as I
had feared the PS hose, in fact that looks pretty good. Today's leak appears to
be the injector return line between #1 and #2. When I had the car running it
became apparent really quick.
Fortunately I have return
Greetings from the Colonies
More on my self-levelling rear struts replacement...
I've found an affordable source of struts in Australia for my 1985 300TD.
Problem is, their part number is not the same as mine. So I wonder if you
guys with EPCs could tell me what you think the part number is.
Thanks David -
Actually, I had an aftermarket asystem a PO had put on a 78 Chev Malibu we
had. Were driving along when all of a suddem it died - in the street - we
pulled over and I managed to pull the wire going to the disributor - it
started instantly - it was an amazing Chev 305(?) V8 that
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