Re: [MBZ] Car color and temperature

2011-08-01 Thread Craig
On Mon, 1 Aug 2011 10:01:26 -0400 Michael Canfield wrote: > Less is better with window tint. Living in a dry area with typically few clouds at a high elevation, I disagree with you. The amount of tint permissible varies with state. The states regulate the amount of visible light transmission (V

Re: [MBZ] paint cleaning clay

2011-08-01 Thread Mountain Man
Grant wrote: > For those who have never used clay, it's an extremely fine polishing > compound. Something on the order of 8000 grit wet or dry sandpaper. Sounds somewhat like jeweler's rouge which you can purchase at Ace Hardware? Small 8oz. tube of the rouge is less than $5. mao

Re: [MBZ] Clay

2011-08-01 Thread Dan Penoff
True, you have to be careful around seams, joints, and any sort of decals or tape. The instructions in most of the packages I have read go over these in some detail (as does Griots.) I routinely wash between steps, with the exception of between final finishing and wax. A good hand washing allo

Re: [MBZ] paint cleaning clay

2011-08-01 Thread Dan Penoff
Compounding or polish, depending on how bad it is and the type of finish. Dan Sent from my iPhone On Aug 1, 2011, at 7:49 PM, Rick Knoble wrote: >> On Aug 1, 2011, at 3:24 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote: > >> Clay will not remove oxidation but will remove overspray, tree sap, tar >> spots and ot

Re: [MBZ] clay

2011-08-01 Thread Dan Penoff
What Roger said. You have to be somewhat AR to do this Dan Sent from my iPhone On Aug 1, 2011, at 7:58 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote: >> ...It takes time and effort that can only be gotten from a hand finish >> effort, >> and if you are anal-retentive enough to persevere worth the effort...

Re: [MBZ] swaps

2011-08-01 Thread RELNGSON
> ...If one of the 560SELs has a bad engine, and the '87 is a wagon, you > could put the engine from the latter into the former and have a diesel > S-class with SLS!.. > Which reminds me, just yesterday I was creeping along in freeway traffic which I came up on an extremely shiny and clean black

Re: [MBZ] clay

2011-08-01 Thread RELNGSON
> ...It takes time and effort that can only be gotten from a hand finish > effort, > and if you are anal-retentive enough to persevere worth the effort... > I freely admit to that description. Eventually you zero in on the products that achieve your goal with the least effort. RLE > > __

Re: [MBZ] paint cleaning clay

2011-08-01 Thread Rick Knoble
> On Aug 1, 2011, at 3:24 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote: > Clay will not remove oxidation but will remove overspray, tree sap, tar > spots and other schmutz, leaving the paint ready to polish. What would one use to remove oxidation? Rick Sent from my iPhone ___

Re: [MBZ] Would you post this to the group? Need Info on a 2000 Mercedes-Benz E -Class 4dr Sdn 3.2L AWD

2011-08-01 Thread Allan Streib
John Freer writes: > One word Walt, rust. > > This model has a bad rep for rust issues on the front spring perches > and under the door panels. > > Be sure to check this out. I was just checking into this a few weeks ago, and from what I was reading it's very difficult if not impossible to inspe

Re: [MBZ] Would you post this to the group? Need Info on a 2000 Mercedes-Benz E -Class 4dr Sdn 3.2L AWD

2011-08-01 Thread John Freer
One word Walt, rust. This model has a bad rep for rust issues on the front spring perches and under the door panels. Be sure to check this out. John On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 3:59 PM, W140 wrote: > > > Need Info on a 2000 Mercedes-Benz E-Class 4dr Sdn 3.2L AWD prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsof

[MBZ] Would you post this to the group? Need Info on a 2000 Mercedes-Benz E -Class 4dr Sdn 3.2L AWD

2011-08-01 Thread W140
Need Info on a 2000 Mercedes-Benz E-Class 4dr Sdn 3.2L AWDAny good news/bad news on this model car? My daughter is looking at one with 120k on it. All records, one owner and maintained by MB. If anyone has a carfax the VIN is WDBJF82J5YX034170 Any help on this is greatly appreciated. Thanks

Re: [MBZ] paint cleaning clay

2011-08-01 Thread Dimitri Seretakis
IMO clay is best detailing invention ever. Mr. Magic Eraser comes next. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 1, 2011, at 6:10 PM, G Mann wrote: For those who have never used clay, it's an extremely fine polishing compound. Something on the order of 8000 grit wet or dry sandpaper. Since it comes in a bric

Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Mercedes Benz Collection - $1500 (Rutland)

2011-08-01 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 3:23 PM, Fred Moir wrote: > Flagship Mercedes benz 560 SEL $1500. each 3 available 420 SEL 1 available, > 84 300 CD, 89 300TE, 87 300 TD, 83 300TD, Tractor Trailer full of parts as > well. Stop by and take a look lots of Mercedes Parts, cleaning out, serious > cash buyers.

Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Mercedes Benz Collection - $1500 (Rutland)

2011-08-01 Thread Mitch Haley
astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: For the entire collection? It looks like the 560SELs are $1500 each. Maybe the "lesser" cars like the 300CD and 300TD would be cheaper? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list arch

Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Mercedes Benz Collection - $1500 (Rutland)

2011-08-01 Thread astrasfogel
For the entire collection? Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Fred Moir Sender: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2011 18:23:40 To: Mercedes Discussion List Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Fwd: Mercedes Benz Collection - $15

[MBZ] Fwd: Mercedes Benz Collection - $1500 (Rutland)

2011-08-01 Thread Fred Moir
Not mine, etc. Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred Original Message Subject:Mercedes Benz Collection - $1500 (Rutland) Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2011 15:21:57 -0700 (PDT) From: fred.s...@yahoo.com To: fred.s...@verizon.net fred.s...@yahoo.com has forwarded you this

Re: [MBZ] paint cleaning clay

2011-08-01 Thread G Mann
For those who have never used clay, it's an extremely fine polishing compound. Something on the order of 8000 grit wet or dry sandpaper. Since it comes in a brick of semi-wet clay it conforms to all surfaces and contours while in use. The soapy water solution lubricates it even further so it glide

Re: [MBZ] clay

2011-08-01 Thread RELNGSON
> The one time I tried to use clay, it was about ten years ago.  I got > it from Griot's, in a package deal with their Speed Shine product to > use as a lubricant.  I followed the directions (I think), but I > couldn't get it to slide smoothly on the paint, and a significant > fraction of the c

Re: [MBZ] Clay

2011-08-01 Thread RELNGSON
I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with some of this: "It doesn't entail any sort of special effort, for that matter, it is a very simple process that is nearly impossible to screw up or do incorrectly." You must stay away from any trim edges and clear film rockshield because if you get

[MBZ] 1987 300TD on ebay

2011-08-01 Thread andrew strasfogel
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-Mercedes-Benz-300TD-turbo-diesel-wagon-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem4aad399502QQitemZ320733811970QQptZUSQ5fCarsQ5fTrucks ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search lis

Re: [MBZ] There is no substitute for cubic inches, unquote

2011-08-01 Thread RELNGSON
> ...We are not in a vw we are in a real car with lots of metal and a big > 6cyl engine... > I wouldn't call 180 cubic inches big, exactly. Adequate is more like it. RLE > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search

Re: [MBZ] Trip update

2011-08-01 Thread Kevin kraly
Yeah, but they were both manny trannies, those engines were half to 2/3 the displacement, most likely with no AC. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR -Original Message- From: Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 8:07 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Trip

Re: [MBZ] paint cleaning clay

2011-08-01 Thread RELNGSON
> ...What does the procedutre entail?  D you have to use that special spray > that > comes in the box every time before rubbing with the clay?.. > Yes. The surface must be lubricated well so the clay slides without sticking which it will if the surface is too dry. No, soap will not work as a su

Re: [MBZ] Car color and temperature

2011-08-01 Thread andrew strasfogel
OK - on second reading I believe you. On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 2:49 PM, wrote: > Andrew said... > << > I would wager that even a white/white car with windows rolled up will > eventually hit 136 degrees when > the ambient temperature is over 90. > >>> > Andrew, > As I posted earlier and no

Re: [MBZ] Bearing kit and special tool? Now chaning a cv, shaft too...

2011-08-01 Thread Rolf
Interestingly enough : http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/compx2008f.jsp?year=1985&make=Mercedes-Benz&model=300D/300CD&hiddenField=Findacar vs http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/compx2008f.jsp?year=1984&make=Mercedes-Benz&model=300D/300CD&hiddenField=Findacar I wonder if that has to do with the oxy tr

Re: [MBZ] Car color and temperature

2011-08-01 Thread rogerhga
Andrew said... << I would wager that even a white/white car with windows rolled up will eventually hit 136 degrees when the ambient temperature is over 90. >>> Andrew, As I posted earlier and no one apparently bothered to read, you'd lose this bet. I used to have a new 77 Olds Omega

Re: [MBZ] Trip update

2011-08-01 Thread andrew strasfogel
Don't forget - in Canada and UK the Imperial gallon is 5/4 as large as ours. On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 12:14 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: > Alex Chamberlain wrote: > > Plus, of course, 500+ lb. of Striplins and paraphernalia. >> > > Hmm, 300lb worth of minors, 200lb worth of Kaleb, and I think I'll stop

Re: [MBZ] Bearing kit and special tool? Now chaning a cv, shaft too...

2011-08-01 Thread Mitch Haley
Rolf wrote: I realize my 300d is different than others but any 300d in good tune should be able to cruise up and down hills on the interstate without a problem. These cars were road tested in Germany which has plenty of hills. Are you sure your car is in good tune? What is the 0-60? A 1979 3

Re: [MBZ] Bearing kit and special tool? Now chaning a cv, shaft too...

2011-08-01 Thread Rolf
I realize my 300d is different than others but any 300d in good tune should be able to cruise up and down hills on the interstate without a problem. These cars were road tested in Germany which has plenty of hills. Are you sure your car is in good tune? What is the 0-60? -Rolf On 07/31/2011

Re: [MBZ] MBCA show and W140 with wing

2011-08-01 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 10:11 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: > I had in a Dodge Avenger in Texas Horrible car. Fiat's top priority when they bought Chrysler was to revise it and to make it more competitive in the Camry/Accord segment---hence the Chrysler 200 and its silly "Imported from Detroit" ad camp

Re: [MBZ] MBCA show/Body Clay

2011-08-01 Thread Dan Penoff
Not using enough liquid. You don't typically have puddles of the stuff, although that won't hurt anything if you do, but if the clay sticks or "stutters" when you move it across the surface it is indicative of inadequate lubrication. Dan Sent from my iPhone On Aug 1, 2011, at 12:56 PM, Alex C

Re: [MBZ] MBCA show and W140 with wing

2011-08-01 Thread Curt Raymond
I had in a Dodge Avenger in Texas a couple weeks ago that had a terrible transmission. It only had 1400 miles so we'd hope that its not broken... The torque converter would stay locked down to ~25mph at which point it would unlock with a thump and a jolt. The first time it did it I thought the

Re: [MBZ] MBCA show/Body Clay

2011-08-01 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 7:25 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: > It doesn't entail any sort of special effort, for that matter, it is a very > simple process that is > nearly impossible to screw up or do incorrectly. The one time I tried to use clay, it was about ten years ago. I got it from Griot's, in a

Re: [MBZ] MBCA show/Body Clay

2011-08-01 Thread Dan Penoff
Cheap is a relative term My comments were pointed at many of the consumer grade marketers that you see in places like FLAPS where they are charging $18.00 for a clay bar and a spray bottle full of soapy water. In this regard, all things, for the most part, are equal. That being said, wheth

Re: [MBZ] MBCA show/Body Clay

2011-08-01 Thread Russ Williams
On 8/1/2011 9:25 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: Using body clay is an annual procedure for proper finish care. It doesn't entail any sort of special effort, for that matter, it is a very simple process that is nearly impossible to screw up or do incorrectly. A couple of pointers: 1.) Clay brand isn'

Re: [MBZ] Trip update

2011-08-01 Thread Mitch Haley
Alex Chamberlain wrote: Plus, of course, 500+ lb. of Striplins and paraphernalia. Hmm, 300lb worth of minors, 200lb worth of Kaleb, and I think I'll stop there. Could the US version of 210.020 possibly mass 1560 kilos? That would make it lighter than your average W210. 51mpg, that must be i

Re: [MBZ] Trip update

2011-08-01 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 9:04 AM, Mitch Haley wrote: > andrew strasfogel wrote: >> >> What Mercedes diesel that weighs 4k lbs. are we talking about here? > > 210.020. It looks like the actual weight is closer to 3700lb. > Plus, of course, 500+ lb. of Striplins and paraphernalia. Alex

Re: [MBZ] Trip update

2011-08-01 Thread Mitch Haley
andrew strasfogel wrote: What Mercedes diesel that weighs 4k lbs. are we talking about here? 210.020. It looks like the actual weight is closer to 3700lb. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http:

Re: [MBZ] Trip update

2011-08-01 Thread andrew strasfogel
What Mercedes diesel that weighs 4k lbs. are we talking about here? On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 11:19 AM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote: > Not worth much if it don't meet o'bammers new CAFE std. I'll give ya $400 > for it, with the 12 liter engine (big 6 cyl). > > We are not in a vw we are i

Re: [MBZ] Car color and temperature

2011-08-01 Thread andrew strasfogel
Whoever said the issue was not the untimate high temperature but how long it took to reach that point was on to something. I would wager that even a white/white car with windows rolled up will eventually hit 136 degrees when the ambient temperature is over 90. On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 10:03 AM, Don

Re: [MBZ] Trip update

2011-08-01 Thread Dieselhead
Not worth much if it don't meet o'bammers new CAFE std. I'll give ya $400 for it, with the 12 liter engine (big 6 cyl). We are not in a vw we are in a real car with lots of metal and a big 6cyl engine. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 1, 2011, at 11:07 AM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

Re: [MBZ] Trip update

2011-08-01 Thread Mitch Haley
Dieselhead wrote: That's not very good for a Diesel. The Quantum got 45 fully loaded and the Escort got 50. The Quantum didn't weigh 4,000lb empty. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.

Re: [MBZ] Trip update

2011-08-01 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
We are not in a vw we are in a real car with lots of metal and a big 6cyl engine. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 1, 2011, at 11:07 AM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote: > That's not very good for a Diesel. The Quantum got 45 fully loaded and the > Escort got 50. > > >> Leaving dayton head

Re: [MBZ] Trip update

2011-08-01 Thread Dieselhead
That's not very good for a Diesel. The Quantum got 45 fully loaded and the Escort got 50. Leaving dayton headed toward niagra. Just filled up 34.4 mpg. Now that's what I'm talking about Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used part

Re: [MBZ] MBCA show/Body Clay

2011-08-01 Thread Dan Penoff
Using body clay is an annual procedure for proper finish care. It doesn't entail any sort of special effort, for that matter, it is a very simple process that is nearly impossible to screw up or do incorrectly. A couple of pointers: 1.) Clay brand isn't important. For that matter, buy the cheap

Re: [MBZ] Car color and temperature

2011-08-01 Thread Donald Snook
Curt wrote: "Excellent, now we need somebody with 2 cars that are the same exterior color (or maybe not, I guess this test says that really doesn't matter) but with different interior colors. I still contend the interior is the culprit as there is more surface area to absorb heat." My cars mig

Re: [MBZ] Car color and temperature

2011-08-01 Thread Michael Canfield
My black 300d has dark tinted windows and they make great shade if your a/c works and great heaters if it doesn't. I ride with the windows down a lot. They are too dark and have to be rolled down to see well in the night too. They really are dangerous in the dark unless you think about the idea th

Re: [MBZ] Car color and temperature

2011-08-01 Thread Donald Snook
Ok Don wrote: "The black car hit a max of 138F, the silver car hit a max of 136F." That is interesting. "I wonder how much of a difference it makes with the tint on the windows? My wife's Charger is black and she wants to get the windows tinted." Donald H. Snook

Re: [MBZ] MBCA car show

2011-08-01 Thread Donald Snook
Mike wrote: "What type of degreaser will not discolor the aluminum?" I use simple green diluted 2 to 1 on most of the engine and undiluted if you have any really grungy spots. Rather than using really high pressure water, I just use a small soft brush to scrub any particularly nasty areas (at l

Re: [MBZ] MBCA show

2011-08-01 Thread andrew strasfogel
What does the procedutre entail? D you have to use that special spray that comes in the box every time before rubbing with the clay? On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 9:42 AM, Donald Snook wrote: > RLE wrote: "If you are thinking that I have had a professional detailer do > my car, let me tell you that I

Re: [MBZ] MBCA show

2011-08-01 Thread Donald Snook
RLE wrote: "If you are thinking that I have had a professional detailer do my car, let me tell you that I do it all myself. Just tonight (Friday) I spent about two hours+ claying, polishing, sealing and waxing the right side of the car hours+ and every swirl mark and finger scuff is gone. I have

Re: [MBZ] MBCA show and W140 with wing

2011-08-01 Thread Donald Snook
Alex wrote: "The Challenger? Nice driving car. It's got big pieces of W210 in it (transmission, suspension)." My wife's 2010 Dodge Charger has lot of Mercedes components/parts on it. Apparently, there was an option on transmissions and the Mercedes transmission was an option. I have heard lo