Re: [MBZ] 4matic

2012-01-20 Thread Fmiser
> WILTON wrote: > somebody remind me why I might want/need a 4matic. Status!!! You aren't really a man unless you own a 4-matic! -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz

Re: [MBZ] 4matic

2012-01-20 Thread Dieselhead
So, that's ~200 lbs. that you hafta haul around ALL of the time and likely never need it, plus all that extra stuff to go wrong. Wilton Yeah, but you could be the only guy on your block with 4WD! THen you could put lights under the doors, and goofy tars and wheels on it. Oh, and you could

Re: [MBZ] COMAND

2012-01-20 Thread Rick Knoble
Thanks. I suppose you can't update it either. Rick Sent from my distant extension of A.G. Bell's invention On Jan 20, 2012, at 9:42 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote: > It's COMAND and it was the made-up name MB hung on their first Nav system > which was obsolete when it was introduced. Even today's

Re: [MBZ] 4matic

2012-01-20 Thread WILTON
So, that's ~200 lbs. that you hafta haul around ALL of the time and likely never need it, plus all that extra stuff to go wrong. Wilton - Original Message - From: "Mitch Haley" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 10:42 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 4matic WILTON

Re: [MBZ] 4matic

2012-01-20 Thread Mitch Haley
WILTON wrote: How much does all that "extra" 'chinery weigh? Looks like about 198lb. http://www.vehix.com/car-reviews/1998/mercedes-benz/e-class/e320-wagon/vehicle-specifications http://www.vehix.com/car-reviews/1998/mercedes-benz/e-class/e320-4matic-wagon/vehicle-specifications _

Re: [MBZ] COMAND

2012-01-20 Thread RELNGSON
> ...What is COMMAND? Electronic controls of some sort?.. > It's COMAND and it was the made-up name MB hung on their first Nav system which was obsolete when it was introduced. Even today's system is not leading the pack. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For

Re: [MBZ] Really Stupid Question

2012-01-20 Thread Rich Thomas
You can buy those caps with some LEDs on the bill, turn them around so they are shining in your eyes and that would help. Really. Seasonal Affective Disorder (SAD) --R On 1/20/12 10:09 PM, Peter Frederick wrote: Usually affects me most in January and into Feb, but this year I've been outsid

Re: [MBZ] 4matic

2012-01-20 Thread Rich Thomas
I was at the local welding shop a few weeks ago, sitting outside the shop was this big stainless steel pot, maybe 25-30gal or so, with a new conical top the guy had welded up, with a pipe nub sticking out of the top. I looked at it a minute, and the light went off. I ask the proprietor, is th

Re: [MBZ] Really Stupid Question

2012-01-20 Thread Peter Frederick
Usually affects me most in January and into Feb, but this year I've been outside much more than usual since it's been in the 50's most of the month. I used to stick my head in the growth chambers at school, where the light was almost full sun level. Made me feel much better for some reas

Re: [MBZ] Really Stupid Question

2012-01-20 Thread Rick Knoble
On Jan 20, 2012, at 7:46 PM, "Dan Penoff" wrote: > That being said, I could deal with the winter, but not the lack of sunlight. > That part really messed me up. Yeah. Seasonally Affected Depression. Big fun. If my oldest kid gets into trouble, it's around Christmas. I get precious little done

Re: [MBZ] SDL won't start

2012-01-20 Thread Jim Cathey
That is the best option. Measure the system. I would want to know the * battery voltage at rest * battery voltage when cranking * voltage drop between the starter and the battery "+" when cranking * voltage between the engine "ground" and battery "-" when cranking * voltage between th

Re: [MBZ] Cigarette Smoke

2012-01-20 Thread Jim Cathey
A tree works well too, you can work on that upper body twisting and strength Either that, or throw you back out. I do the wrong thing, and mebbe my wife throw me back out... -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] O/T New VW Super Bow commercial

2012-01-20 Thread Jim Cathey
Kinda sounded like my car starting today. The 200 watt magnetic heater didn't help much. It wouldn't, really. The 'real' block heater is 400-500W, and heats the water jacket which heats the piston cylinders which makes for warmer compression during the start, which is what you need. Your 200W

Re: [MBZ] SDL won't start

2012-01-20 Thread Jim Cathey
That's why it's a bad idea to live in chicago I'm not looking forward to this without a garage, today's high of 22F, and 4-8" of snow moving moving in. Ugh. Maybe you'd feel better if you reported temperatures in Kelvin. Or Rankine, if you prefer. -- Jim __

Re: [MBZ] Really Stupid Question

2012-01-20 Thread Dan Penoff
Not at all. That being said, I could deal with the winter, but not the lack of sunlight. That part really messed me up. Dan Sent from my iPhone On Jan 19, 2012, at 4:33 PM, Rick Knoble wrote: > On Jan 19, 2012, at 2:27 PM, "Dan Penoff" wrote: > >> I never liked the "cut the radiator hose an

Re: [MBZ] 4matic

2012-01-20 Thread WILTON
Not likely - I've never seen one - well, maybe, in a museum. Wilton - Original Message - From: "OK Don" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 7:21 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 4matic Off-roading to your favorite still On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 3:58 PM, WILTON

Re: [MBZ] Shipping A Vehicle vs. Fly And Drive

2012-01-20 Thread M G
another thing to think about is the bearings. If they are too loose even a well balanced trailer will sway. Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 15:03:07 -0600 From: Fmiser Subject: Re: [MBZ] Shipping A Vehicle vs. Fly And Drive Message-ID: <20120118150307.20efc98e.fmi...@gmail.com> > > Dan Penoff wrote: >

Re: [MBZ] 4matic

2012-01-20 Thread OK Don
Off-roading to your favorite still On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 3:58 PM, WILTON wrote: > BTW, I haven't driven on muddy dirt roads in well over 55 years, 'left NE > 51 years ago, 'left the MI UP 36 years ago, 'left Greenland and the San > Gabriel Mountains in So. CA 33 years ago, and rarely get

Re: [MBZ] O/T New VW Super Bow commercial

2012-01-20 Thread Curt Raymond
How cold is it? I discovered last week (much to my chagrin) that my '78 240D with M1 15w50 and pencil glow plugs will NOT start at 2F. I glowed for ~60 seconds and cranked until the battery died, or was at least not up to cranking at full speed. I think the battery is on the weak side though an

Re: [MBZ] Cigarette Smoke

2012-01-20 Thread Rich Thomas
Come own baby, let's do the twist!!! --R On 1/20/12 4:29 PM, Craig wrote: On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 16:10:47 -0500 Rich Thomas wrote: A tree works well too, you can work on that upper body twisting and strength Either that, or throw you back out. Craig ___

Re: [MBZ] 4matic

2012-01-20 Thread WILTON
How much does all that "extra" 'chinery weigh? Wilton - Original Message - From: "Mitch Haley" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 6:21 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 4matic Alex Chamberlain wrote: So that when you truly stomp on it, all 4 tires will smoke! Reme

Re: [MBZ] 4matic

2012-01-20 Thread WILTON
'Been able to accelerate and go plenty fast (sometimes too fast) for nearly 64 years driving two-wheel drive vehicles. Wilton - Original Message - From: "Randy Bennell" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 5:21 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 4matic On 20/01/2012 3

Re: [MBZ] 4matic

2012-01-20 Thread Mitch Haley
Alex Chamberlain wrote: So that when you truly stomp on it, all 4 tires will smoke! Remember to turn off the traction control first. I wonder if you can in fact do so without disabling the AWD as well, since they both use selective braking of individual wheels to work their magic. Good poin

Re: [MBZ] Replacing M103 Top Timing Cover Seal

2012-01-20 Thread Peter Frederick
Oil will work, but silicone grease is slipperier. You can get silicone grease at any bearing supply place. It will eventually leak again, it's a design defect. Peter On Jan 20, 2012, at 8:13 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: When you say "silicone grease" can you elaborate? Could I just use oil as t

Re: [MBZ] 4matic

2012-01-20 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Jan 20, 2012 2:22 PM, "Randy Bennell" wrote: > > On 20/01/2012 3:58 PM, WILTON wrote: >> >> remind me why I might want/need a 4matic. >> >> > So that when you truly stomp on it, all 4 tires will smoke! > Remember to turn off the traction control first. > I wonder if you can in fact do so with

Re: [MBZ] 4matic

2012-01-20 Thread Rick Knoble
On Jan 20, 2012, at 4:12 PM, "Mitch Haley" wrote: > But if there's a really nice 2000-2002 out there (without Command) I might > buy a W210 4matic. What is COMMAND? Electronic controls of some sort? Rick Sent from my distant extension of A.G. Bell's invention _

Re: [MBZ] 4matic

2012-01-20 Thread Randy Bennell
On 20/01/2012 3:58 PM, WILTON wrote: BTW, I haven't driven on muddy dirt roads in well over 55 years, 'left NE 51 years ago, 'left the MI UP 36 years ago, 'left Greenland and the San Gabriel Mountains in So. CA 33 years ago, and rarely get enough snow here to cause any driving problem - somebod

Re: [MBZ] 4matic

2012-01-20 Thread Mitch Haley
WILTON wrote: BTW, I haven't driven on muddy dirt roads in well over 55 years, 'left NE 51 years ago, 'left the MI UP 36 years ago, 'left Greenland and the San Gabriel Mountains in So. CA 33 years ago, and rarely get enough snow here to cause any driving problem - somebody remind me why I might

Re: [MBZ] 4matic

2012-01-20 Thread WILTON
BTW, I haven't driven on muddy dirt roads in well over 55 years, 'left NE 51 years ago, 'left the MI UP 36 years ago, 'left Greenland and the San Gabriel Mountains in So. CA 33 years ago, and rarely get enough snow here to cause any driving problem - somebody remind me why I might want/need a 4m

Re: [MBZ] Cigarette Smoke

2012-01-20 Thread WILTON
I do mine on the "serpentine" (curved back and forth) brick wall in front of the parking spaces. BTW, if the wall were straight, I'd still "whap" the mats against it. Wilton - Original Message - From: "Rich Thomas" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 4:10 P

Re: [MBZ] O/T New VW Super Bow commercial

2012-01-20 Thread Rick Knoble
Kinda sounded like my car starting today. The 200 watt magnetic heater didn't help much. Rick Who REALLY needs to set the valves and change the oil... > From: buymbpa...@gmail.com > To: mercedes@okiebenz.com > Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 15:59:09 -0500 > Subject: [MBZ] O/T New VW Super Bow comme

Re: [MBZ] Rusty Rawks

2012-01-20 Thread Dan Penoff
Holy cow, there are two covers? The engine compartment cover is like an acre in size I don't recall ever having to remove them on my former 124s - an 88 300TE and a 91 300E. I'm sure they were probably there on both, but fortunately I never had to do anything of significance under either

Re: [MBZ] coil pack

2012-01-20 Thread Randy Bennell
On 20/01/2012 3:25 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote: ...Don't forget that you have to explain to woger what a COP is.. Not any more, you don't. If you tried to order one, what would it's name be at the dealer? BTW, do you own a 124? RLE ___ Not sure if this is

Re: [MBZ] Cigarette Smoke

2012-01-20 Thread Craig
On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 16:10:47 -0500 Rich Thomas wrote: > A tree works well too, you can work on that upper body twisting and > strength Either that, or throw you back out. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To sea

Re: [MBZ] Replacing M103 Top Timing Cover Seal

2012-01-20 Thread Randy Bennell
On 20/01/2012 2:45 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: I understand the reason for the lubrication - the cover has to slide over the seal to get into place. If there is no lubrication, the seal will roll and come out of the groove. I was more curious as to the need for silicone grease as opposed to engine o

Re: [MBZ] coil pack

2012-01-20 Thread RELNGSON
> ...Don't forget that you have to explain to woger what a COP is.. > Not any more, you don't. If you tried to order one, what would it's name be at the dealer? BTW, do you own a 124? RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.

Re: [MBZ] O/T New VW Super Bow commercial

2012-01-20 Thread Rich Thomas
That is awesome --R On 1/20/12 3:59 PM, Rusty Cullens wrote: http://blogs.ajc.com/business-beat/2012/01/20/volkswagen-super-bowl-tease-already-a-youtube-sensation/ Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. www.buyMBparts.biz www.buyEUROparts.biz www.buyASIANparts.biz Tel/ 1-800-741-5252 Fax/ 770-454-97

Re: [MBZ] Cigarette Smoke

2012-01-20 Thread Rich Thomas
A tree works well too, you can work on that upper body twisting and strength --R On 1/20/12 3:58 PM, OK Don wrote: It's easier to do on the porch, if you're standing beside it, and your wife doesn't catch you. On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 2:01 AM, Fmiser wrote: Dan Penoff wrote: Believe it or no

Re: [MBZ] There's Nothing More Expensive Than A Cheap Mercedes

2012-01-20 Thread Mitch Haley
Rick Knoble wrote: Does that apply in this case? http://www.barrett-jackson.com/application/onlinesubmission/lotdetails.aspx?ln=625.1&aid=443&pop=0 If everything works, that looks like quite a deal. I can afford to buy it, but I can't afford to drive it home from Arizona. ;-) What are we looki

Re: [MBZ] Rusty Rawks

2012-01-20 Thread OK Don
Yup - there are two covers --- On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 12:53 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: > Probably 16 between both the engine and trans cover > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 20, 2012, at 9:10 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: > > > Rusty said that it showed a total of 16, which I think we both > questi

[MBZ] O/T New VW Super Bow commercial

2012-01-20 Thread Rusty Cullens
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Re: [MBZ] Cigarette Smoke

2012-01-20 Thread OK Don
It's easier to do on the porch, if you're standing beside it, and your wife doesn't catch you. On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 2:01 AM, Fmiser wrote: > > Dan Penoff wrote: > > > Believe it or not, I like to take my mats and beat them on the > > driveway by holding them over my head with both hands and >

[MBZ] There's Nothing More Expensive Than A Cheap Mercedes

2012-01-20 Thread Rick Knoble
Does that apply in this case? http://www.barrett-jackson.com/application/onlinesubmission/lotdetails.aspx?ln=625.1&aid=443&pop=0 Rick Sent from my distant extension of A.G. Bell's invention ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.

Re: [MBZ] Replacing M103 Top Timing Cover Seal

2012-01-20 Thread Dan Penoff
I understand the reason for the lubrication - the cover has to slide over the seal to get into place. If there is no lubrication, the seal will roll and come out of the groove. I was more curious as to the need for silicone grease as opposed to engine oil, as the factory instructions say to use

Re: [MBZ] SDL won't start

2012-01-20 Thread Fmiser
> Benz Hogs wrote: > Over the last 6 weeks, the SDL has been hard to start when the > engine is hot, this was mostly noticed during our 2100mi > road-trip from Chi to MI to AR to Chi. The car always started > fine when cold. This week, Wed morning was about the coldest > it has been so far (temp

Re: [MBZ] Temp was SDL won't start

2012-01-20 Thread Dieselhead
76 here @ 1338hrs 8 here. Spozed to be -14 tonight Balmy 70 on the gu'f coast right now ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery opt

[MBZ] 4matic

2012-01-20 Thread Mitch Haley
http://detroit.craigslist.org/wyn/cto/2808881973.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/m

Re: [MBZ] Temp was SDL won't start

2012-01-20 Thread Luther's Benz
Ok, for all you *insert banned word* who have a temp above 60, there's a banned response for you. :) Luther On Jan 20, 2012 1:39 PM, Russ Williams wrote: 76 here @ 1338hrs On 1/20/2012 12:51 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: > It's in the 60's here > > Sent from my iPhone

Re: [MBZ] Replacing M103 Top Timing Cover Seal

2012-01-20 Thread Randy Bennell
On 20/01/2012 8:13 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: When you say "silicone grease" can you elaborate? Could I just use oil as the factory procedure suggests? Thanks for the info - its a big help! And should I expect this to leak again? Some of the DIY articles on this I have read suggest that it does s

Re: [MBZ] SDL won't start

2012-01-20 Thread Randy Bennell
On 20/01/2012 1:26 PM, Dieselhead wrote: A new COP on #3 and all is well. Randy Don't forget that you have to explain to woger what a COP is. ___ Does it require photos? Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and us

Re: [MBZ] SDL won't start

2012-01-20 Thread Dieselhead
A new COP on #3 and all is well. Randy Don't forget that you have to explain to woger what a COP is. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change

Re: [MBZ] Temp was SDL won't start

2012-01-20 Thread Russ Williams
76 here @ 1338hrs On 1/20/2012 12:51 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: It's in the 60's here Sent from my iPhone On Jan 20, 2012, at 11:27 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: I wasn't going to mention that it's already in the 70s here, but since Kaleb brought it up Sorry. Dan Sent from my iPhone On J

Re: [MBZ] SDL won't start

2012-01-20 Thread Randy Bennell
-4 F here in Winnipeg but the sun is shining and the skies are blue. Supposed to warm up on Sunday. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or cha

Re: [MBZ] SDL won't start

2012-01-20 Thread WILTON
Only 55 here; s'posed to be 72 tomorrow. Wilton - Original Message - From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 1:51 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] SDL won't start It's in the 60's here Sent from my iPhone On Jan 20, 2012, at 11:27 AM, Dan Pen

Re: [MBZ] Rusty Rawks

2012-01-20 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
Probably 16 between both the engine and trans cover Sent from my iPhone On Jan 20, 2012, at 9:10 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: > Rusty said that it showed a total of 16, which I think we both questioned, me > because I know there weren't 16 holes in the cover. > > Anyway, we went with six, assuming t

Re: [MBZ] SDL won't start

2012-01-20 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
It's in the 60's here Sent from my iPhone On Jan 20, 2012, at 11:27 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: > I wasn't going to mention that it's already in the 70s here, but since Kaleb > brought it up > > Sorry. > > Dan > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 20, 2012, at 12:17 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin" wro

Re: [MBZ] SDL won't start

2012-01-20 Thread Randy Bennell
You need a heated garage or a friendly auto service business. Mechanics have to eat too. My younger son is a mechanic. Yesterday, he was off so I had him change the AT fluid in my truck and it turned out to be good timing as it also started to miss and the ck engine light came on. A new COP on

Re: [MBZ] SDL won't start

2012-01-20 Thread Dan Penoff
I wasn't going to mention that it's already in the 70s here, but since Kaleb brought it up Sorry. Dan Sent from my iPhone On Jan 20, 2012, at 12:17 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin" wrote: > That's why it's a bad idea to live in chicago > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 20, 2012, at 9:28 AM, Be

Re: [MBZ] SDL won't start

2012-01-20 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
That's why it's a bad idea to live in chicago Sent from my iPhone On Jan 20, 2012, at 9:28 AM, Benz Hogs wrote: > I'm not looking forward to this without a garage, today's high of 22F, and > 4-8" of snow moving moving in. Ugh. > > Luther KB5QHUOak Park, IL > '87 300SDL (312,xxx mi) > '

Re: [MBZ] Diagnosing an exhaust leak

2012-01-20 Thread G Mann
Husbands On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 7:39 AM, Jim Cathey wrote: > What is the name that refers to people who pay to be abused? >> > > I could tell you, but I won't. There's a name for that, too... :-) > > -- Jim > > > > __**_ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For

Re: [MBZ] SDL won't start

2012-01-20 Thread Benz Hogs
I'm not looking forward to this without a garage, today's high of 22F, and 4-8" of snow moving moving in. Ugh. Luther KB5QHUOak Park, IL '87 300SDL (312,xxx mi) '91 Dodge Ram 150 (290,xxx mi) On 1/20/2012 9:07 AM, Larry T wrote: If the starter is bad it may not pull the lights down whe

Re: [MBZ] Rusty Rawks

2012-01-20 Thread Dan Penoff
Rusty said that it showed a total of 16, which I think we both questioned, me because I know there weren't 16 holes in the cover. Anyway, we went with six, assuming that it would be enough to hold it on for now. I will report back this weekend after I get underneath and take a look. Tomorrow I

Re: [MBZ] SDL won't start

2012-01-20 Thread Larry T
If the starter is bad it may not pull the lights down when attempting to start - it all depends on the nature of the problem. You should also confirm all electrical connections are clean and tight - the starter wiring, block ground straps, chassis grounds and any others you can get to. It mig

Re: [MBZ] Rusty Rawks

2012-01-20 Thread Larry T
Typical performance - I honestly don't see how he does it so well & consistently. BTW, I bought I think 10 sets of the fasteners (as spares) to hold the "Anti-Noise" Shield in place (I think that''s the official name) as it not only keeps the engine exceptionally clean but reduces engine noise

Re: [MBZ] Diagnosing an exhaust leak

2012-01-20 Thread Jim Cathey
What is the name that refers to people who pay to be abused? I could tell you, but I won't. There's a name for that, too... :-) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.c

Re: [MBZ] Replacing M103 Top Timing Cover Seal

2012-01-20 Thread Dan Penoff
When you say "silicone grease" can you elaborate? Could I just use oil as the factory procedure suggests? Thanks for the info - its a big help! And should I expect this to leak again? Some of the DIY articles on this I have read suggest that it does seal for an extended period of time if done

Re: [MBZ] Cigarette Smoke

2012-01-20 Thread Fmiser
> Dan Penoff wrote: > Believe it or not, I like to take my mats and beat them on the > driveway by holding them over my head with both hands and > swinging them down onto the driveway so they hit it as close > to horizontally as I can get them. Methinks it would probably be best for me to not do