FIAT is a government owned machinery manufacturer (Fabrica Italiana
Automobili Turino) of cars, heavy equipment and aircraft.The only other
Italians left are Lancia, Lamborghini and Ferrari. In the 60's/70's
Chrysler was in a partnership with French Renault/Simca (Omni/Horizon).
*Fiat Chrysler
I'll ask.
Fred Moir
Lynn MA
Diesel preferred.
From: Craig diese...@pisquared.net
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On Wed, 29 Jan 2014 21:28:57 -0800 (PST)
Last I knew Grant had one for sale ;)
-Curt
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 23:52:57 -0500
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I've
On Jan 29, 2014, at 5:39 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote:
I just heard on the news that FIAT and Chrysler are joining forces.
I wonder if that will be any better than Daimler and Chrysler.
IMHO, Fiat will pilfer what they can from Chrysler, and spin off or part out
the remains.
They come up here and there. The problem is coughing up the dough:)
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On Jan 30, 2014, at 9:10 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:
Last I knew Grant had one for sale ;)
-Curt
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 23:52:57 -0500
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In Italy we rented a Lancia Voyager, which is a Plymouth (?) Voyager
which is a Dodge which is a Fiat. I hate to admit I actually drove a
meenievayan and liked it. This one was a diesel, and if I got my
conversions correct was doing something like 30+ mpg on $8+/gal dizzel fool.
--R
On
'My thoughts, too, Rick.
Wilt
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On Jan 29, 2014, at 5:39 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net
Yugos were made by Zastava. Not sure if Zastava and Fiat were aligned.
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On Jan 29, 2014, at 8:48 PM, arche...@embarqmail.com
arche...@embarqmail.com wrote:
On 1/29/2014 8:18 PM, Craig wrote:
On Wed, 29 Jan 2014 18:21:05 -0600 Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com
wrote:
Have you all heard that IROC Camaro stands for Italian Retards Out Cruising?;)
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On Jan 29, 2014, at 8:48 PM, arche...@embarqmail.com
arche...@embarqmail.com wrote:
On 1/29/2014 8:18 PM, Craig wrote:
On Wed, 29 Jan 2014 18:21:05 -0600 Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com
Your're Fired would certainly take a much more sinister meaning if that
happened...
Can't see that idea would gain my support... starving to death with your
unfed family while looking for work is so much more humane..
Gad ! it's a cruel world...
Grant...
On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 9:23
Speaking of /*extremes */- I read a book about the Great Depression
(the one in the late 20s and 30s) ;-) - it told of employment being so
hard to find that at one of the car factories (maybe more than one) jobs
were very treasured. Seems they would clean the auto bodies with
gasoline to prep
IMO, (and many others) things starting going downhill when the
Constitution was changed to allow Senators to be elected rather than
appointedby the state legislatures. Among other things, this led to the
loss of power of state legislatures (and with it states rights) and the
rise of special
:)
On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 8:28 PM, Frederick Moir fredy4.s...@yahoo.comwrote:
Andrew.
Tonight, on my knees, I'll ask for a sign.
Fred Moir
Lynn MA
Diesel preferred.
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Speaking of ATFs and M1 - when I bought my rebuilt AT from Rusty for the
91 300D I asked the rebuilder (Sun Valley) which fluid to use - they
said not to use M1 which was my intention.
I'm happy with the Dexron - the shifts are very smooth - but I will
likely go with full synthetic at the
I have a few lovely palomino and blue front and rear door panels if
anyone's interested. And you don't even need to go outside into the cold
to fetch them! The rear panels are unique to the 300TD.
On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 6:21 AM, Frederick Moir fredy4.s...@yahoo.comwrote:
I'll ask.
Fred
My favorite car rental was a Hyundai Atos, which we rented in Crete in
2008. It had 5 forward gears and its top speed (floored - which we did a
lot of the time) was 110 km/hr on the speedometer, although it sounded more
like 200 km/h and felt closer to 55 US mph
What fact? Just because you repeat a canard it doesn't make it true.
.
http://blog.independent.org/2010/02/16/one-more-time-world-war-ii-did-not-bring-us-out-of-the-depression/
On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 9:13 AM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote:
Speaking of /*extremes */- I read a book
i don't think there was anything going on between them other than use of a
fiat design. it's common for car companies to use someone else's
established idea. for example, if memory serves me, the first kia's in the
USA were mazda 323 knockoffs. this doesn't make a kia a mazda nor a mazda
a kia.
this is the romney method though, no? steal everything down to the light
fixtures and then leave the evil socialist government to clean up the
mess. the very essence of neoliberal capitalism.
On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 9:05 AM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote:
On Jan 29, 2014, at 5:39
According to The World's Worst Cars (handy pocket reference)
As a cheap car that was tidy, if not exciting to look at, the Yugo 45 and its
derivatives had promise. Under the skin it was all Fiat 127, using the same
platform and engines. But it was appallingly built, and sport models came with
https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/4303841029.html
Blacked out Mercedes s500 with V-12 logos**will consider
payments* - $12500 (Summerville*)
*2002 Mercedes-benz s500* odometer: *139500*
I have a Mercedes S500 in MINT condition inside and out, says
Seriously? THat's a lot of money for a sedan.
On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 11:39 AM, Rich Thomas
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:
https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/4303841029.html
Blacked out Mercedes s500 with V-12 logos**will consider
payments* - $12500
'Sounds like he's desperate just to show it.
Wilton
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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2014 1:39 PM
Subject: [MBZ] I'm all over this
A couple of differences between snow in the South and in the North are that
it's often been warm prior to the snow in the South - the first ¼ of snow
melts on contact with the road then freezes to ice while the rest of the
snow covers it. This happens almost every time. Makes driving tricky. The
Being a W140 owner, I can tell you that a real V12 in decent shape with similar
miles can be had for less.
I have a hard time grasping the poseur S600/V12 people. Why would they badge
their cars as such when they're really not??
Maybe I'm just being simplistic.
Dan with a real S500 V8
On
http://murphyauction.com/Auction/Catalog/550
If you see anything you really like, let me know and I can take a peek Friday
at the preview. Bid online for the car you like.
clay
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Wrong - the bad apples are born with that propensity and are pushed over
the edge by early abuse, bad circumstances (poverty), etc. Fear of
punishment does not deter bad apples. However, capitol punishment or life
with possibility of parole does remove them from the general population.
On Wed,
I am needing to copy all the photos on the IMac onto the cloud. Which is
the best, easiest free site to upload them to? i have 000s of pix to
transfer.
Thanks,
Andrew (my real name)
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Thats probably the worst argument I've ever seen. Of course the war years were
difficult does the author not realize what fighting for your life means?
Still its probably more true to say something like The end of the war marked
the end of the depression. but changes to the American economy
iCloud will have a 5G limit unless you buy more space. DropBox is probably a
better choice, and if you could get some people to sign up you get more free
space.
I think I have something like 7G on DropBox. Never come close to using it.
Dan
On Jan 30, 2014, at 3:21 PM, Andrew Strasfogel
The first Datsuns in the US were mechanically MG knock-offs. The Datsun
1600 looked just like an MGA with telescopic shocks instead of lever
actuated. The Subaru was (and still is) a copy of a 1950's German car -
front wheel, drive water cooled, horizontally opposed engine. Ah - just
remembered,
Consider an external USB hard drive - if it will work with all the OS's you
need to transfer between. It then becomes secure a back-up, especially if
you turn it off and un-plug it when not adding more files to it. Yes, it
costs something, but you get additional functionality and MUCH more
Well, it is blacked out and has the badging plus the rims and red brake
calipers. That is worth a LOT and makes it faster too.
I'm gonna call the guy 20 times then not show up. How about y'all start
calling him too!
--R
On 1/30/14 3:12 PM, Dan Penoff wrote:
Being a W140 owner, I can
Why would they badge their cars as such when they're really not??
Aaahhh... that's the essence of being a poseur!
Greg
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A couple of differences between snow in the South and in the North are that
it's often been warm prior to the snow in the South - the first ¼ of snow
melts on contact with the road then freezes to ice while the rest of the
snow covers it. This happens almost every time. Makes driving tricky. The
I have a hard time grasping the poseur S600/V12 people. Why would
they badge their cars as such when they're really not??
Dan with a real S500 V8
\
Same reason people buy harleys and take off the muffler. shemales
trying to compensate for their lack of genitals by parading around in
a hey
Being a belt and suspenders sort of guy I have a 1TB and a 2TB drives,
one backs stuff up through the Apple backup thing, I am presuming it
works, and now and then I load up my mail file and piccies and docs and
such into directories to have sort of a rolling backup on the other
drive too.
Watch any of the icy road videos on Youtube where a whole bunch of cars are
spun out and each new car things well my car is better, I can make it and
they spin out just like the others...
Curt
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2014 14:45:36 -0600
From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com
To: Mercedes Discussion
A bullet is expensive. And you would have to hunt down the unemployed. Best
to allow them to find their own way. Make it so there is no money to be had if
you have no viable form of employment/income. Instead of farming Grandma out
keep her at home with the family. Bound to be useful
Philip wrote:
What about a OM617 turbo powered S123 with manual transmission,
crank windows, manual heater. Close to perfect, I'd say.
Nope.
No S-class and OM6xx engine, period.
Turbo and 3-pedal have gotten together sooo very seldom over the years
it seems inconceivable. NA is just fine for
Craig wrote:
Our '82 240D/3.0 has it in its manual transmission
Your 3.0 is NA?
Seems to be a rare fit.
mao
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OK Don wrote:
Wrong - the bad apples are born with that propensity and are pushed over
the edge by early abuse, bad circumstances (poverty), etc.
I hear ya.
Somehow it seems that lead is a good solution, but that is not allowed.
mao
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On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 2:12 PM, Rich Thomas
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:
Being a belt and suspenders sort of guy I have a 1TB and a 2TB drives, one
backs stuff up through the Apple backup thing, I am presuming
Rick wrote:
The US taxpayer will be saddled with the pension and healthcare costs of
another failed company.
Pensions, healthcare - the stuff that dreams are made of.
mao
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Gary wrote:
the very essence of neoliberal capitalism.
When did this typical method become primary or reportedly primary in
the free market system? Hasn't there always been an effort to gain
all for me, none for you? This ain't nuthin' new.
mao
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HF wrote:
Yeah perhaps we could shoot a few unemployed, they produce nothing and are a
drain on the rest of society.
Come visit again.
I provide get away car and lead.
mao
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clay wrote:
Book your body for science.
Gotta find that website.
For years I have said that living at Chernobyl would be sublime. From
what I understand things thrive there despite the high numbers of bad
stuff.
mao
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--R wrote:
...I have a 1TB and a 2TB drives...
Ya know, if you stopped breathing in the next hour, nobody would care
about this backup stuff. 20 years ago people didn't care about backup
stuff. 000s of pictures, terabytes of info - more S-Class
foolishness. Nobody cares. All that stuff,
Craig wrote:
Our '82 240D/3.0 has it in its manual transmission
Your 3.0 is NA?
Seems to be a rare fit.
mao
My 80 240D is 3 pedal
my 81 is not, but I have all the paatz to convert it when the time
comes thanks to your generosity. Thanks again.'
On Thu, 30 Jan 2014 15:45:02 -0600 Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com
wrote:
Craig wrote:
Our '82 240D/3.0 has it in its manual transmission
Your 3.0 is NA?
Seems to be a rare fit.
Our W123 is now a 123.130, four-speed manual with naturally-aspirated
engine. I could have put in a
IIRC, turbo and 3 pedal got together plenty around the rest of the world,
just not imported here. Turbo is well worth it - NA sucks (pun intended).
On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 3:43 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote:
Turbo and 3-pedal have gotten together sooo very seldom over the years
20 years ago people had hard copy prints of their family photos, and were
moaning about the fading of the color dyes. Grandma really didn't look
like a smurf --. Now we have to worry about dead storage media. My kids
want my photos when I die - at least some of them. They'll have to dig
through
IIRS, Herr Marshall exposited that opinion, but I found plenty of examples
of OM617.915 engines mated to four speed manual tranny's sold across the
world in the little MB specifications books - I forget what they're called.
On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 5:27 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote:
I
With engine running, I see a visible drip (~1 drop per second) from the bottom
of the shutoff valve.
The lines under it are saturated; they were replaced along with the fuel filter
and shutoff valve o-ring on thanksgiving weekend. I'd expect that the o-ring
between the IP and valve should
IIRS, Herr Marshall exposited that opinion, but I found plenty of examples
of OM617.915 engines mated to four speed manual tranny's sold across the
world in the little MB specifications books - I forget what they're called.
If the manual trans turbodiesel were true, then
why are there
If you put a 617 turbo in a 240D four speed, would the transmission,
drive shaft, differential hold up? Is that what Craig has?
Gerrywho hasn't been following this thread.
...
On 1/30/2014 7:43 PM, OK Don wrote:
IIRC, turbo and 3 pedal got together
Gerry wrote:
Is that what Craig has?
Craig just said his is natural aspirated not turbo.
mao
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Leaks around the base of the shutoff valve are a gasket problem,
either a nick in it, misplaced, or a scratch or gouge in the top of
the IP allowing oil around.
Oil leaking out of the manual shutoff lever where it goes into the IP
is a bad o-ring that needs to be replaced.
Peter
Biggest difference is road surface. Southern roads are smoother and ice up
like a skating rink.
Mike
On Jan 30, 2014 3:53 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:
A couple of differences between snow in the South and in the North are that
it's often been warm prior to the snow in the South -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbSvWPdFc6k
clay
2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately well tailored chap
1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
On Thu, 30 Jan 2014 19:41:58 -0600 Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com
wrote:
Gerry wrote:
Is that what Craig has?
Craig just said his is natural aspirated not turbo.
mao
Yes, mine is naturally aspirated. The turbo engine does not make more
horsepower than the gasoline engines that came
Rick Knoble wrote:
On Jan 29, 2014, at 5:39 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote:
I just heard on the news that FIAT and Chrysler are joining forces.
I wonder if that will be any better than Daimler and Chrysler.
IMHO, Fiat will pilfer what they can from Chrysler, and spin off or part
Does anyone know anything about https://www.quibids.com ?
They tout themselves as an alternative to eBay.
Thanks,
Craig
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'94 E420Oskar 127 kmi (awaiting parting out)
'82 240D/3.0
not really sure when honest capitalism leaves the USA
On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 5:04 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote:
Rick wrote:
The US taxpayer will be saddled with the pension and healthcare costs of
another failed company.
Pensions, healthcare - the stuff that dreams are
my kid thinks that as well. about the nature of the snow, that is
On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 3:08 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:
A couple of differences between snow in the South and in the North are that
it's often been warm prior to the snow in the South - the first ¼ of snow
melts on
i sure don't miss the belt parkway and the potholes there that can swallow
you whole
On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 9:00 PM, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.comwrote:
Biggest difference is road surface. Southern roads are smoother and ice up
like a skating rink.
Mike
On Jan 30, 2014 3:53 PM,
OK Don wrote:
IIRS, Herr Marshall exposited that opinion, but I found plenty of examples
of OM617.915 engines mated to four speed manual tranny's sold across the
world in the little MB specifications books - I forget what they're called.
Yes, there's turbo lag, but so what?
A turbo 617 off
IMO, the main difference in snow driving between north and south is the high
percentage of southern drivers who can't drive in snow.
On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 3:08 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:
A couple of differences between snow in the South and in the North are
that
it's often
http://gulfport.craigslist.org/cto/4273982453.html
looks well kept
One fer fats
http://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/cto/4265297597.html
or what's a 240D worth
http://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/cto/4295514175.html
75 /8
http://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/cto/4307799561.html
2 fer one 3 pedals
http://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/cto/4271788253.html
123
http://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/cto/4249093088.html
123 needs pump, fluid, seals or struts, spheres
http://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/cto/4291014936.html
124! Needs some repairs, but lots new stuff too.
evapectomy done. (Sorry
On an errand after work today, on a snowing and very icy evening, I
was rear-ended at a stop light, and pounded into the car in front of
me. No one was hurt, but the cars... My rear bumper was pushed in,
and the trunk is jammed shut, but on the whole it doesn't look too
bad. However, on the
The latest sport, washing machine destruction
This Miele is not giving in without a fight
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrhgJQp9FQE
Hendrik
who does not destroy washing machines
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On Thu, 30 Jan 2014 20:53:11 -0800 Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net
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I'm pretty saddened by the whole thing, I'm not sure what to do next.
I've been driving this car in winters for about 10 years now, loving
every minute of it.
Quoting an old movie (I think), She's dead, Jim.
Humor
Yeah right, bunch of Okie boys conning you
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QuiBids.com
Hendrik
who does not use quibids
On 31/01/14 13:12, Craig wrote:
Does anyone know anything about https://www.quibids.com ?
They tout themselves as an alternative to eBay.
Thanks,
Craig
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wrote:
Yeah right, bunch of Okie boys conning you
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QuiBids.com
Thanks, Hendrik!
One of wikipedia's links goes to
On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 9:10 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote:
honest capitalism
An oxymoron?
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Who has practiced capitalism ---
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honest as in true to capitlism
On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 1:15 AM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 9:10 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote:
honest capitalism
An oxymoron?
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Who has practiced capitalism ---
On 1/30/2014 9:36 PM, Craig wrote:
On Thu, 30 Jan 2014 19:41:58 -0600 Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com
wrote:
Gerry wrote:
Is that what Craig has?
Craig just said his is natural aspirated not turbo.
mao
Yes, mine is naturally aspirated. The turbo engine does not make more
horsepower than
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