Re: [MBZ] 1959 190D Bio Diesel

2013-02-02 Thread Max Dillon
Don't remember, have that saved somewhere. Let me know if you'd like me to dig it up. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: a small diesel engine was the test subject. Direct or indirect injection? I thought one of the main

Re: [MBZ] 1959 190D Bio Diesel

2013-02-02 Thread Rolf
Fwiw I contacted the eBay seller and asked him to post up at STD. His 190sl will be 605 powered. Sent from my Droid Charge on Verizon 4G LTE Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Don't remember, have that saved somewhere. Let me know if you'd like me to dig it up. -- Max Dillon

Re: [MBZ] 1959 190D Bio Diesel

2013-02-02 Thread Benz Hogs
Oh, right, sorry I forgot that simple fact. Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '98 ML320 Max (159,xxx mi) On 2/1/2013 11:42 PM, clay monroe wrote: Sorry Luther, these cars are meant to run for at least a million miles, as stated endlessly in countless CL listings. I would expect to be able

Re: [MBZ] 1959 190D Bio Diesel

2013-02-02 Thread Mitch Haley
Rolf wrote: Fwiw I contacted the eBay seller and asked him to post up at STD. His 190sl will be 605 powered. Now that's a rare engine around here. Was the 605 ever sold in North America? I've long thought about converting a 2.3-16v to a 2.5-20v. Aside from the cylinder head it would be very

Re: [MBZ] 1959 190D Bio Diesel

2013-02-02 Thread Dieselhead
Rolf wrote: Fwiw I contacted the eBay seller and asked him to post up at STD. His 190sl will be 605 powered. Now that's a rare engine around here. Was the 605 ever sold in North America? I've long thought about converting a 2.3-16v to a 2.5-20v. Aside from the cylinder head it would be very

Re: [MBZ] 1959 190D Bio Diesel

2013-02-02 Thread Fmiser
Mitch Haley wrote: If I put a 605 head and manifolds on the 602, along with a big bore 602 injection pump, should I call it a 605 or a 602 engine? 603.5 -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list

[MBZ] 1959 190D Bio Diesel

2013-02-01 Thread Dan Penoff
Check out BAT (Bring a Trailer) today for a crazy 1959 190D set up for racing and bio diesel. Dan Sent from my iPad ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To

Re: [MBZ] 1959 190D Bio Diesel

2013-02-01 Thread Benz Hogs
BZ, that's a WVO car, not BioD. BIG difference. I quote from the eBay add: Own the first car to ever compete in an international road race using waste cooking oil (WCO) or Biodiesel!! WRONG! WVO/WCO ≠ biodiesel. Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '98 ML320 Max (160,xxx mi)

Re: [MBZ] 1959 190D Bio Diesel

2013-02-01 Thread ernest breakfield
yes, there's much misunderstanding about Biofuels, but to be fair, that statement could mean that he ran it on WVO some of the time and on BioDiesel some of the time. cheers! e On 01/Feb/13 07:56, Benz Hogs wrote: BZ, that's a WVO car, not BioD. BIG difference. I quote from

Re: [MBZ] 1959 190D Bio Diesel

2013-02-01 Thread Michael Canfield
No Luther, not wrong! Just because it has a setup for wvo does not mean you cannot run dino or bio-diesel. This, oh my god, it's a wvo car and is now useless for anything else type of thinking is absurd. Mike On Feb 1, 2013 10:56 AM, Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote: BZ,

Re: [MBZ] 1959 190D Bio Diesel

2013-02-01 Thread ernest breakfield
if i hadn't seen so many badly botched up conversions, i'd be more inclined to agree. part of the problem is that it's hard to know what kind of crap people have run through a car just because its converted. doG knows i won't look at a converted car unless i know firsthand who did the

Re: [MBZ] 1959 190D Bio Diesel

2013-02-01 Thread Benz Hogs
There is no scientific research that shows long-term WVO use not causing life-ending damage to a diesel engine. This is a reason no car manufacturers are exploring WVO/VO as a viable fuel source. Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '98 ML320 Max (160,xxx mi) On 2/1/2013 10:28 AM, Michael

Re: [MBZ] 1959 190D Bio Diesel

2013-02-01 Thread OK Don
Ah, but someone has to try it to get that long term data. How much long term life do you need from a 20-40 year old car? On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 1:18 PM, Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote: There is no scientific research that shows long-term WVO use not causing life-ending damage to a

Re: [MBZ] 1959 190D Bio Diesel

2013-02-01 Thread Michael Canfield
Exactly. Say you buy a car run on wvo but with very good service history, or you buy a car that has never seen wvo but has poor service history, either way , it is a used car and it is up to you to check it out and make sure it is a good car before you lay down your cash. Maybe the previous

Re: [MBZ] 1959 190D Bio Diesel

2013-02-01 Thread Max Dillon
Years ago I found a university study, a small diesel engine was the test subject. First they took it apart and checked the tolerances, then ran it a number of hours on virgin vegetable oil, then measured the tolerances again. They found significant wear. I think Elsbett or some other

Re: [MBZ] 1959 190D Bio Diesel

2013-02-01 Thread OK Don
No study to quote, but comparing the results of studies based on a small Diesel engine and a VW Diesel engine to running the same fuel in a Mercedes Diesel engine like comparing apples to oranges. I'm only hoping that my VW Diesel will last half as long as an MB Diesel would. On Fri, Feb 1, 2013

Re: [MBZ] 1959 190D Bio Diesel

2013-02-01 Thread Max Dillon
It is also true that some on this list and others that I know if have gotten 40,000 miles or more using WVO as fuel in a 123. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: No study to quote, but comparing the results of studies based on a small

Re: [MBZ] 1959 190D Bio Diesel

2013-02-01 Thread Dan Penoff
I wouldn't know the difference. Just quoting their copy. Sorry. Dan Sent from my iPad On Feb 1, 2013, at 10:56 AM, Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote: BZ, that's a WVO car, not BioD. BIG difference. I quote from the eBay add: Own the first car to ever compete in an

Re: [MBZ] 1959 190D Bio Diesel

2013-02-01 Thread Benz Hogs
Out of an old Benz diesel? If properly cared for, greater than 500kmi. Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '98 ML320 Max (160,xxx mi) On 2/1/2013 8:11 PM, OK Don wrote: Ah, but someone has to try it to get that long term data. How much long term life do you need from a 20-40 year old car? On

Re: [MBZ] 1959 190D Bio Diesel

2013-02-01 Thread Jim Cathey
a small diesel engine was the test subject. Direct or indirect injection? I thought one of the main reasons that MB used IDI engines was to better tolerate poor fuel. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To

Re: [MBZ] 1959 190D Bio Diesel

2013-02-01 Thread clay monroe
From what I find at PnP, you have it nailed down. The VW will last almost half as long as your MB, unless you crash the car. clay On Feb 1, 2013, at 7:20 PM, OK Don wrote: No study to quote, but comparing the results of studies based on a small Diesel engine and a VW Diesel engine to

Re: [MBZ] 1959 190D Bio Diesel

2013-02-01 Thread clay monroe
Sorry Luther, these cars are meant to run for at least a million miles, as stated endlessly in countless CL listings. I would expect to be able to do that sort of engine life on any fuel I could find that would detonate on compression. Why do you limit yourself to such low mileage? clay On