Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL, white, asking $5500 for Dan or Wilton

2015-05-20 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
That is one of my all time favorite movie scenes. WIlliam H Macy is the greatest actor alive, in this or any other galaxy. He shovels well. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or

Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL, white, asking $5500 for Dan or Wilton

2015-05-20 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
That is one of my all time favorite movie scenes. WIlliam H Macy is the greatest actor alive, in this or any other galaxy. On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 12:42 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: ‎Andrew wrote: Could have bought it for less but I didn't know you were supposed

Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL, white, asking $5500 for Dan or Wilton

2015-05-19 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes
‎Andrew wrote: Could have bought it for less but I didn't know you were supposed to negotiate.  Salesman was so stunned he volunteered to throw in the undercoating for FREE. http://youtu.be/E5gwc4UizUc Rick Sent from my BlackBerry Z10 ___

Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL, white, asking $5500 for Dan or Wilton

2015-05-19 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
On May 19, 2015 at 2:15 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Doesn't know a camel from a palomino Where are the engine photos This car really had a $80,000 sticker price? I don't think so... My new car (the '97 S420) says 73 on the title, but AFAIK the base

Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL, white, asking $5500 for Dan or Wilton

2015-05-19 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
My 1976 Chevette, purchased new in Tysons Corner, VA in Dec. 1975, cost $3,600. Could have bought it for less but I didn't know you were supposed to negotiate. Salesman was so stunned he volunteered to throw in the undercoating for FREE. On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 8:11 PM, Mitch Haley via

Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL, white, asking $5500 for Dan or Wilton

2015-05-19 Thread Dwight Giles via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 5:57 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL, white, asking $5500 for Dan or Wilton On 19/05/2015 4:30 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote: My black one was $58 thou. Wilton What year was that? I think my 86

Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL, white, asking $5500 for Dan or Wilton

2015-05-19 Thread Darren Marshall via Mercedes
Can I go back in time and sell my 240D? On May 19, 2015, at 8:57 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: My 1976 Chevette, purchased new in Tysons Corner, VA in Dec. 1975, cost $3,600. Could have bought it for less but I didn't know you were supposed to

Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL, white, asking $5500 for Dan or Wilton

2015-05-19 Thread WILTON via Mercedes
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL, white, asking $5500 for Dan or Wilton Doesn't know a camel from a palomino Where are the engine photos This car really had a $80,000 sticker price? I don't think so... On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 1:45 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: http

Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL, white, asking $5500 for Dan or Wilton

2015-05-19 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
On 19/05/2015 4:30 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote: My black one was $58 thou. Wilton What year was that? I think my 86 was around 58k. NADA sez base price was 57,800 for 1991, so 58K I remember some years prices for MBs went up like crazy. One time was int he 70s. The Diesels

Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL, white, asking $5500 for Dan or Wilton

2015-05-19 Thread WILTON via Mercedes
My '80 240D was grand total of $17.4k in Nov '79. Wilton - Original Message - From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 5:57 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1991

Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL, white, asking $5500 for Dan or Wilton

2015-05-19 Thread WILTON via Mercedes
: Meade Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 1:45 PM Subject: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL, white, asking $5500 for Dan or Wilton http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/5026116005.html This has been advertised for several months now, seller may be open to more reasonable offer

Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL, white, asking $5500 for Dan or Wilton

2015-05-19 Thread WILTON via Mercedes
Got sorta redundant with the k and the thou, didn't I? Wilton - Original Message - From: WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 5:14 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL, white

Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL, white, asking $5500 for Dan or Wilton

2015-05-19 Thread WILTON via Mercedes
'91 350SDL. Wilton - Original Message - From: Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Curly McLain 126die...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 5:30 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL, white, asking $5500 for Dan

Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL, white, asking $5500 for Dan or Wilton

2015-05-19 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
My black one was $58 thou. Wilton What year was that? I think my 86 was around 58k. NADA sez base price was 57,800 for 1991, so 58K I remember some years prices for MBs went up like crazy. One time was int he 70s. The Diesels went form 10k to 20k very quickly then up to 40 or 50k,

Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL, white, asking $5500 for Dan or Wilton

2015-05-19 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Doesn't know a camel from a palomino Where are the engine photos This car really had a $80,000 sticker price? I don't think so... On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 1:45 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/5026116005.html This has been

[MBZ] 1991 350 SDL, white, asking $5500 for Dan or Wilton

2015-05-19 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/5026116005.html This has been advertised for several months now, seller may be open to more reasonable offer... - Max Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives

[MBZ] 1991 350 SDL mercedes - $1000

2009-01-08 Thread Rich Thomas
1991 350 SDL mercedes - $1000 (mount pleasant) Reply to: sale-984301...@craigslist.org mailto:sale-984301...@craigslist.org?subject=1991%20350%20sdl%20mercedes%20-%20$1000%20%28mount%20pleasant%29 ^[?

Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL mercedes - $1000

2009-01-08 Thread John Freer
The Rod Bender strikes again. On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 6:36 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: 1991 350 SDL mercedes - $1000 (mount pleasant) Reply to: sale-984301...@craigslist.org

Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL

2007-10-22 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 19:00:03 -0400 ANGELO GIAIMO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I passed the information to my friends in Jacksonville (Technically, Mayport, to those who know the area). She's still deciding what to do. I KNOW if she decides to sell it, she'll probably offer it to me first. BTW,

Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL

2007-10-17 Thread ANGELO GIAIMO
I passed the information to my friends in Jacksonville (Technically, Mayport, to those who know the area). She's still deciding what to do. I KNOW if she decides to sell it, she'll probably offer it to me first. BTW, it's white with grey leather interrior. When it becomes available, I'll let

Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL

2005-12-05 Thread Mitch Haley
Marshall Booth wrote: The early 603s had sleeves. Starting ABOUT mid '87 the 602/603 engines stopped being sleeved. Any easy way to know if my 190Dt is sleeved? Mitch.

Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL

2005-12-05 Thread Marshall Booth
Mitch Haley wrote: Marshall Booth wrote: The early 603s had sleeves. Starting ABOUT mid '87 the 602/603 engines stopped being sleeved. Any easy way to know if my 190Dt is sleeved? Not that I know of. They say they started eliminating the sleeves starting in '87, but the only engine that I

Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL

2005-12-04 Thread Peter Frederick
Marshall: Isn't the 603 originally equipped with sleeved bores? I would think that replacing the sleeves would be a much better practice than boring them oversize Peter On Saturday, December 3, 2005, at 04:01 PM, Marshall Booth wrote: dave walton wrote: Time will tell, and I realize

Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL

2005-12-04 Thread Zeitgeist
I've been wondering about this as well. I don't understand why these engines are considered toast if the sleeves get a bit ovaled. Can't they just be pressed out and new ones installed in their place? On 12/3/05, Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marshall: Isn't the 603 originally

Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL

2005-12-04 Thread Marshall Booth
Peter Frederick wrote: Marshall: Isn't the 603 originally equipped with sleeved bores? I would think that replacing the sleeves would be a much better practice than boring them oversize The early 603s had sleeves. Starting ABOUT mid '87 the 602/603 engines stopped being sleeved. None

Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL

2005-12-03 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
So is there any quick and easy way to tell by looking at the engine if it was a MB replacment engine if a person was out looking to buy one? Marshall Booth wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know others have said a new MB crate engine is the only way to go -- my question is how long would

Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL

2005-12-03 Thread Peter Frederick
I believe the updated rods will fix the problem (they are about 50g heavier that the originals) -- and only the updated rods are available for 603 engines. You have to buy the whole set ($2500 or so) plus new pistons (another $2500) and have new sleeves installed, plus crank work if they bent

Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL

2005-12-03 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
why would a set of rods cost $2500? Peter Frederick wrote: I believe the updated rods will fix the problem (they are about 50g heavier that the originals) -- and only the updated rods are available for 603 engines. You have to buy the whole set ($2500 or so) plus new pistons (another $2500)

Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL

2005-12-03 Thread Marshall Booth
Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: So is there any quick and easy way to tell by looking at the engine if it was a MB replacment engine if a person was out looking to buy one? Not that I know of (Mercedes used to use precisely the same engine number for a replacement engine - they may or may not still

[MBZ] 1991 350 SDL

2005-12-03 Thread Bill Aston
Marshall-- Yours is the first indication I have seen that failure may be due to inadequate oil or block temperatures...is this something that is well known to others ? Somehow I had always equated this problem to prolonged high RPM use or inferior castings. Please Doctor, exactly why did

Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL

2005-12-03 Thread Marshall Booth
Bill Aston wrote: Marshall-- Yours is the first indication I have seen that failure may be due to inadequate oil or block temperatures...is this something that is well known to others ? Somehow I had always equated this problem to prolonged high RPM use or inferior castings. The rod

Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL

2005-12-03 Thread Peter Frederick
You will have to ask Daimler that. They are VERY expensive for engine rods. Peter

Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL

2005-12-03 Thread Peter Frederick
The engineering world seems to think the problem was inadequate rod strength. The 3.5L engine used exactly the same rods as the 3.0L engine in spite of the higher horsepower and piston weight, and they bend in use. There are some indications that accumulated soot in the intake manifold may

Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL

2005-12-03 Thread dave walton
I bought 1 replacement rod from my local dealer for my 603.971. They quoted me $140 and charged me $190 when it came in. Typical Yes, I probably should have replaced the rest of them, but they were in spec and if this repair does not last, I'll go the replacement engine route. YMMV (pun

Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL

2005-12-03 Thread Peter Frederick
That's cheaper than what I remember from when I bought my 300d (with possible head/rod problems, turned out to be bad pressure valve holder seals, thank heavens!). Still $1200 or so if you have to buy six, and you will on an older engine as you cannot have unbalanced sets. Peter

Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL

2005-12-03 Thread dave walton
I figured replacing the one was safer since I had no idea how to go about rebalancing the offset weight on the crankshaft to accommodate the heaver rod. Having one of them off balance is better than six, right? -Dave Walton 94 S350, 99 E300 On 12/2/05, Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL

2005-12-03 Thread OK Don
The usual procedure used to be to balance the rods to all be within a certain tolerence (1 gram.?), balance the crankshaft with the flywheel, balancer, front pulley, etc. as one unit, balance the pistons and wrist pins to within a given tolerence, then assemble. So, by changing just one rod,

Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL

2005-12-03 Thread dave walton
So does the weight of the connecting rod on the crankshaft not matter? Or does it balance itself out across all cylinders if they weigh the same? As I recall, the Mercedes documentation made reference to adjusting the counterbalance weight when replacing the connecting rods, but I could not find

Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL

2005-12-03 Thread Jim Cathey
So does the weight of the connecting rod on the crankshaft not matter? Or does it balance itself out across all cylinders if they weigh the same? Speculation here, that it is of less importance in an I6 (or any I3N) configuration, for the same reason that three-phase power is efficient and

Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL

2005-12-03 Thread dave walton
Time will tell, and I realize it's only a matter of time. I don't doubt that there is a lot of engineering that went into this engine that is now shot to hell because of the heavier rod I put in. Although it was to some extent BAD engineering, or else owners of this lovely engine would not have

Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL

2005-12-03 Thread OK Don
Back when I was starting with engines that were un-balanced from the factory (GM and British Leyland), we had the crank and all rotating parts balanced as a unit, then adjusted the weight of the crank ends of the rods to be equal to the lightest one, adjusted the total weight of the rods to equal

Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL

2005-12-03 Thread l02turner
12:43 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL So does the weight of the connecting rod on the crankshaft not matter? Or does it balance itself out across all cylinders if they weigh the same? As I recall, the Mercedes documentation made reference to adjusting the counterbalance weight when replacing

Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL

2005-12-03 Thread Marshall Booth
dave walton wrote: Time will tell, and I realize it's only a matter of time. I don't doubt that there is a lot of engineering that went into this engine that is now shot to hell because of the heavier rod I put in. Although it was to some extent BAD engineering, or else owners of this lovely

Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL

2005-12-03 Thread dave walton
Marshall Booth wrote: Mercedes COMPLETELY fulfilled their warranties (on both new and used cars) and even extended the warranties to original owners. dave walton wrote: So did the manufacturers of the YUGO. could not resist :-) -Dave Walton 94 S350, 99 E300 On 12/3/05, Marshall Booth [EMAIL

Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL

2005-12-03 Thread David Brodbeck
Jim Cathey wrote: So does the weight of the connecting rod on the crankshaft not matter? Or does it balance itself out across all cylinders if they weigh the same? Speculation here, that it is of less importance in an I6 (or any I3N) configuration, for the same reason that three-phase power

Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL

2005-12-03 Thread David Brodbeck
Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: why would a set of rods cost $2500? Because it's a Mercedes. Heck, a front license plate bracket is $50.

Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL

2005-12-02 Thread Marshall Booth
Zeitgeist wrote: Other than the passenger side airbag, and of course the amazing Uri Geller-like rod-bending magic in the engine compartment, what's different between the '86 -'87 300SDL and '90 350SDL? Mercedes made a few little upgrades to the 126 chassis every year - including the last

Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL

2005-12-02 Thread Marshall Booth
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know others have said a new MB crate engine is the only way to go -- my question is how long would the original, damaged engine last? Some engines failed before 50kmi. Most of those were in city driven cars. The majority of the failures occurred before the cars

[MBZ] 1991 350 SDL

2005-12-01 Thread Jim Keefe
160k miles, good condition, worth $5600?

Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL

2005-12-01 Thread Sunil Hari
new engine or not? On 11/30/05, Jim Keefe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 160k miles, good condition, worth $5600? ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery

Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL

2005-12-01 Thread Tom Hargrave
: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 10:24 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL 160k miles, good condition, worth $5600? ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe

Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL

2005-12-01 Thread Peter Frederick
Yes, it's the last of the really good MBs. Peter

Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL

2005-12-01 Thread Marshall Booth
Jim Keefe wrote: 160k miles, good condition, worth $5600? Only if it has a NEW engine in it or you are willing to put one in yourself! Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D

Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL

2005-12-01 Thread Zeitgeist
Other than the passenger side airbag, and of course the amazing Uri Geller-like rod-bending magic in the engine compartment, what's different between the '86 -'87 300SDL and '90 350SDL? Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler (211k) '84 300D

Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL

2005-12-01 Thread Dave M.
/350SD/ :-) -Dave M. -- Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 22:39:59 -0600 From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL All depends, has the engine been replaced yet. And if not, does it use any oil? If the first answer is Yes then it's probably worth

Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL

2005-12-01 Thread Desert Rat
with the ill-fated, rod-bending 3.5L diesel, here's some info for you: http://www.mbz.org/info/complaints/350SD/ :-) -Dave M. -- Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 22:39:59 -0600 From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL All depends, has

Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL

2005-12-01 Thread Aaron Lam
Casey, The interior was upgraded, and that included the new-style seats which IMO, are infinitely many times better than the old type, pleated leather door panels instead of the flat perforated leather, and a wooden roll-top center console box. To compensate for lack of a glovebox, the

Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL

2005-12-01 Thread l02turner
://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs http://members.rennlist.com/my_911/Index.htm For my Paint Job Info - Original Message - From: Jim Keefe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 11:23 PM Subject: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL 160k miles, good condition, worth $5600