Re: [MBZ] 420SEL?

ebenz.com> wrote: > > Does that mean the 126 420 has the problem or not? > > Don Snook > > -Original Message- > From: Curley McLain [mailto:126die...@gmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2018 8:56 PM > To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.

Re: [MBZ] 420SEL?

Does that mean the 126 420 has the problem or not? Don Snook -Original Message- From: Curley McLain [mailto:126die...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2018 8:56 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 420SEL? 420 is a M116, same as t

Re: [MBZ] 420SEL?

There is some confusion here, partially my fault The M116 is the engine in the 420SEL (W126 chassis), which suffers from camshaft oiled tubes made of plastic which fail and cause excessive cam lobe wear. The M119 engine has oil tubes which feed the lifters. These tubes have end caps that

Re: [MBZ] 420SEL?

IF this oiler tube problem is a M119 problem, why is the 420 SEL with an M116 being condemned? Inquiring minds want to know! Dan Penoff via Mercedes January 25, 2018 at 7:33 PM M119 engines are pretty bulletproof. I’ve had two that had over 275k on them without

Re: [MBZ] 420SEL?

So are the plastic tubes only in the M119? My understanding was that the M116 as in the 380 and 420s are ok. I thought the M117 was ok too (560 SE/SEL/SL) Dan Penoff via Mercedes January 25, 2018 at 8:18 PM You’re far more likely to have transmission issues in a

Re: [MBZ] 420SEL?

420 is a M116, same as the 380. 560 is a M117. Dan Penoff via Mercedes January 25, 2018 at 5:33 PM M117, I believe. And no, they never used metal oiler tubes like the M119 did, only plastic. In which engine? -D ___

Re: [MBZ] 420SEL?

You’re far more likely to have transmission issues in a drivetrain with an M119 before you have engine issues. The one thing that comes up with age are the oiler tubes, which are not the same as the cam oilers in the M117. In the M119 there are plastic tubes about 5/16” in diameter that are

Re: [MBZ] 420SEL?

Does the 560 engine use the same oiler tubes, or is this "feature" specific to only the 420? The iron block M117 450 engine had metal oiler tubes, IIRC. Could tubes from another engine be retrofitted to the 420? On Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 11:37 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:

Re: [MBZ] 420SEL?

Thanks Dan. My brother's w140 m129 has had no engine problems but some tranny wonkiness. Dwight Giles Jr. Wickford RI On Jan 25, 2018 8:34 PM, "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" wrote: > M119 engines are pretty bulletproof. I’ve had two that had over 275k on > them without ever

Re: [MBZ] 420SEL?

M119 engines are pretty bulletproof. I’ve had two that had over 275k on them without ever being opened or with major work and they ran great. If the M119 oiler tubes fail, which typically involves the end caps coming off, the lifters don’t pump up and the valve train “ticks”. Replacement is a

Re: [MBZ] 420SEL?

Oh Ok. My brother has a w140 with m119 engine approaching 175k miles Dwight Giles Jr. Wickford RI On Jan 25, 2018 6:33 PM, "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" wrote: M117, I believe. And no, they never used metal oiler tubes like the M119 did, only plastic. -D > On Jan 25,

Re: [MBZ] 420SEL?

M117, I believe. And no, they never used metal oiler tubes like the M119 did, only plastic. -D > On Jan 25, 2018, at 6:27 PM, Dwight Giles wrote: > > Is that a m119? > > Dwight Giles Jr. > Wickford RI > > On Jan 25, 2018 12:37 PM, "Dan--- via Mercedes"

Re: [MBZ] 420SEL?

> On January 25, 2018 at 2:55 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes > wrote: > > > Offer half, replace the tubes, enjoy luxury... You mean the cam oiler tubes? If this is the engine that uses those, it might be old enough to have the aluminum tubes in it. Mitch.

Re: [MBZ] 420SEL?

Is that a m119? Dwight Giles Jr. Wickford RI On Jan 25, 2018 12:37 PM, "Dan--- via Mercedes" wrote: The 420 has plastic oiler tubes in the heads which fail/leak/break and cause cam lobes to get worn down due to lack of lubrication. This typically occurs on the right

Re: [MBZ] 420SEL?

Offer half, replace the tubes, enjoy luxury... -Curt On Thursday, January 25, 2018, 11:45:56 AM EST, Donald Snook via Mercedes wrote: I know the 560SEL is more desirable because the mileage difference is negligible between the 420 and the 560.  Is there

Re: [MBZ] 420SEL?

That was my thought too. Don Snook -Original Message- From: Andrew Strasfogel [mailto:astrasfo...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2018 12:53 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 420SEL? Sounds like a deal breaker. On Thu, Jan 25

Re: [MBZ] 420SEL?

Sounds like a deal breaker. On Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 12:37 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote: > The 420 has plastic oiler tubes in the heads which fail/leak/break and > cause cam lobes to get worn down due to lack of lubrication. This > typically occurs on the right

Re: [MBZ] 420SEL?

The 420 has plastic oiler tubes in the heads which fail/leak/break and cause cam lobes to get worn down due to lack of lubrication. This typically occurs on the right (passenger side) bank first for some reason. Also, if heads have to be removed on this engine the head bolts have a tendency

Re: [MBZ] 420SEL?

looks like s snook mobile to me! Are you making friends with the McPherson Community College? I would if I was close! It is the only school in the USA that trains people to restore MBs. (Feeder for the CC) Donald Snook via Mercedes January 25, 2018 at 10:45

[MBZ] 420SEL?

I know the 560SEL is more desirable because the mileage difference is negligible between the 420 and the 560. Is there something else that makes the 420 SEL less desirable? Was there an issue with a timing chain. I can't remember the specifics. The price of this one is TOO HIGH. But, it

Re: [MBZ] 420SEL turd engine test method

I got a title for it, but it is for an 87 Ford Ranger pickup. I presume the real title burned up with the key and this is what the guy had and gave to the guy I bought it from. I'm not sure how I could get a title or a bill of sale (I suppose I could do that but the guy doesn't have the

Re: [MBZ] 420SEL turd engine test method

When I faced this problem with my 124 Cab, the 3 screws you reference are covered by metal; you cannot simply unscrew them until you open up the whole assembly. It is a Chinese puzzle, and the only way to get it apart was by cutting if one could not turn the ignition cylinder to position #1. I

Re: [MBZ] 420SEL turd engine test method

Good point. A hard key for these should cost you less than $20 at a stealer, more like $12-$15 unless they're giving you the "MBCA discount". -D > On Jun 19, 2017, at 1:39 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes > wrote: > > Personally, I'd get a key from the stealer. That way

Re: [MBZ] 420SEL turd engine test method

Personally, I'd get a key from the stealer. That way if it is junked, you have a complete sent of locks and keys to sell for $$$ in place of a couple door handles for $10 each. Or, if someone gets the car, then it is worth more with a working key, lock and steering lock. Mitch Haley via

Re: [MBZ] 420SEL turd engine test method

> On June 19, 2017 at 1:07 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes > wrote: > > > Yes! that is far easier than butchering. And it is easier to take out > the 3 screws for the electric switch than to try to saw it off. Once > the screws are out, you can turn the switch with

Re: [MBZ] 420SEL turd engine test method

that does not stop you from unplugging at the engine and hotwiring the engine there. You need far to the coil; Benzine though the injection system and into the cylinder, and air through the finlter and intake system. Add compression and far the spark at the right time, and you should have

Re: [MBZ] 420SEL turd engine test method

Yes! that is far easier than butchering. And it is easier to take out the 3 screws for the electric switch than to try to saw it off. Once the screws are out, you can turn the switch with a screwdriver or a needlenose. Mitch Haley via Mercedes June 19, 2017

Re: [MBZ] 420SEL turd engine test method

That is correct. Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 19, 2017, at 9:24 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes > wrote: > > I'm under the impression that in order to unplug the switch wiring harness > from the back of the switch, one needs to have the key in the switch in > position 1.

Re: [MBZ] 420SEL turd engine test method

I'm under the impression that in order to unplug the switch wiring harness from the back of the switch, one needs to have the key in the switch in position 1. Floyd has no key for this car. - Max Charleston SC On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 8:37 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <

Re: [MBZ] 420SEL turd engine test method

If you just want to test the engine, unplug the switch wiring harness, jump the appropriate terminals for run, and temporarily jump the terminals for start. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To

[MBZ] 420SEL turd engine test method

Floyd, Thinking about this over the weekend, I believe that the best approach will be to start with the sawz-all and cut the steering lock off the column (cut whatever needed out of the way, just watch out for the wiring harness to the ignition switch), and then use dremel tool with cut-off wheel

Re: [MBZ] 420SEL

Dimitri, I have a garage full of belts (slight exaggeration). I would have gladly given you one had you but asked What brought you to town anyway? On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 3:54 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes wrote: > I took a road trip to DC a couple months ago. Broke down

Re: [MBZ] 420SEL

I took a road trip to DC a couple months ago. Broke down couple hours into the trip- alt belt broke. Fixed it myself with spare in a pep boys parking lot in pouring rain but alternator adjustment rack and geared bolt stripped so couldn't property tighten. Good enough for another hours worth of

Re: [MBZ] 420SEL

Andy ain't probly not ridden da dog Remember Elvis? I left my home in Norfolk Virginia California on my mind I straddled that Greyhound And rode into Raleigh and on across Caroline We had motor trouble that turn into a struggle Halfway across Alabama And that hound broke down and left us all

Re: [MBZ] 420SEL

It was certainly great to have you stay over, All in all a good Q. Damie had a good time as did everyone else. I know June and I did. Manfred Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote: I got there Thurs morning to pick up the car. It started and idled and revved up ok in the parking lot. Very solid

Re: [MBZ] 420SEL

smoke silver, clear gone. 1990 Tampa 98k miles, but odo broken now. You gonna haul it back to Mobile for me? Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes January 17, 2017 at 1:16 PM It sounds like it was a nice car except for the fuel issue. The screen at the distributor

Re: [MBZ] 420SEL

It sounds like it was a nice car except for the fuel issue. The screen at the distributor is just the adaptor between the line and the distributor. You just unscrew it and blow it out. Remind me again what the story was with the car, color, miles, year, location, price etc. Sent from my iPhone

Re: [MBZ] 420SEL

Only 3 more days until we are liberated from the little dictator. (obummer voice) uh, don't let the door hit me in the a$$ on the way out. Tighten the spring! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

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I am so dense. D'OH! On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 12:14 PM, Kyle Arola via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Grayhound. The poor man's airplane. > > Kyle > > On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 12:13 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > Epic tale - and as a

Re: [MBZ] 420SEL

Epic tale - and as a bonus it was totally devoid of political content! Congrats!! What is "riding the dog"? On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 9:45 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I thought tank screen first, but since it had good pressure and flow at > the dist, fuel

Re: [MBZ] 420SEL

Grayhound. The poor man's airplane. Kyle On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 12:13 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Epic tale - and as a bonus it was totally devoid of political content! > Congrats!! > > What is "riding the dog"? > > On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 9:45 AM,

Re: [MBZ] 420SEL

I thought tank screen first, but since it had good pressure and flow at the dist, fuel appears to be getting past the fuel screen. New Fuel pumps seemed to be running normally. (not starving) Screen at dist, Dist/injectors... good possibility of costing more than the car, except the screen.

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absolutely! I still hate gassers but dads will do crazy things for daughters who don't hate gassers. Dimitri via Mercedes January 17, 2017 at 6:49 AM Wow crazy story! If it were a diesel you'd be home with a new car!

Re: [MBZ] 420SEL

I'm thinking rust in the gas tank, stirred up by the driving and then adding fresh gas. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery

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If it has been sitting that long the fuel system was probably all junked up, either the distributor or the injectors or both. Might have had fouled plugs. There is a little screen at the fuel intake side of the distributor. You just remove the line then remove the little connector/adapter

Re: [MBZ] 420SEL

Wow crazy story! If it were a diesel you'd be home with a new car! Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 17, 2017, at 12:18 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes > wrote: > > I got there Thurs morning to pick up the car. It started and idled and > revved up ok in the parking lot.

Re: [MBZ] 420SEL

Epic tale of dragons, suffering, perseverence, and friendship! Sorry you didn't get the car. Glad you have friends. Kyle On Jan 17, 2017 12:18 AM, "Curley McLain via Mercedes" < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I got there Thurs morning to pick up the car. It started and idled and > revved up

[MBZ] 420SEL

I got there Thurs morning to pick up the car. It started and idled and revved up ok in the parking lot. Very solid car that had been maintained, but sat for the last 2 years (according to seller) It may have sat for 4 or 5 years. Dash was uncracked. very quiet and smooth running. Under

Re: [MBZ] 420SEL with no reverse down to $1750

Offer the guy $1500 and see if he bites. For that it looks like it would be a nice car. If you’re living right, it only need linkage bushings. If not, just don’t park it where you can’t pull through. He sounds like he’s dumped a lot of money into it and finally said “Enough!” I don’t get

Re: [MBZ] 420SEL with no reverse down to $1750

I don't want to become Kleb but the car actually looks fairly nice, I like that color --R On 4/9/16 8:33 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: With those kinds of miles it’s probably going to need a timing chain and possibly a cam or two soon. Unless you want a nice beater to drive around

Re: [MBZ] 420SEL with no reverse down to $1750

With those kinds of miles it’s probably going to need a timing chain and possibly a cam or two soon. Unless you want a nice beater to drive around until it pukes, I would pass. Dan > On Apr 9, 2016, at 6:15 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes > wrote: > >

Re: [MBZ] 420SEL with no reverse down to $1750

No way Jose. Archaic old model with no chance for appreciation. On Sat, Apr 9, 2016 at 6:15 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/5529003476.html > > --R > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To

[MBZ] 420SEL with no reverse down to $1750

https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/5529003476.html --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] 420SEL looks half nice

Like that color combo --R On 2/22/16 8:56 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: This one is much nicer: http://www.benzworld.org/forums/sale-wanted-trade-giveaway/2571994-sale-1988-420-sel-blue-diamond.html#post13866370

Re: [MBZ] 420SEL looks half nice

This one is much nicer: http://www.benzworld.org/forums/sale-wanted-trade-giveaway/2571994-sale-1988-420-sel-blue-diamond.html#post13866370 Dan > On Feb 22, 2016, at 1:54 PM,

Re: [MBZ] 420SEL looks half nice

I guess you can drive forward until further notice. What's a rebuilt transmission going to cost for that model? On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 1:54 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/5458979330.html > > --R > >

[MBZ] 420SEL looks half nice

https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/5458979330.html --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

[MBZ] 420SEL

Who wanted a 420? Ad in paper: 1987 $1500 runs good must sell 843-442-5573 --R (sent from my miniPad) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:

Re: [MBZ] 420SEL timing chain/valve job

Mitch Haley wrote: Jim Cathey wrote: Our ISP, as a service enhancement, has eliminated our webmail interface. I suppose you could either call tech support and ask them to delete the 6mb email message (I did that once back when my modem was 14.4k) or use something like Yahoo mail to

[MBZ] 420SEL timing chain/valve job

So I pulled the head off my 420SEL after the timing chain jumped. Looks like I need a piston. Trampas attachment: IMG_1305.JPGattachment: IMG_1308.JPG

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Ouch! Good thing our wireless link to the ISP was working, on dial-up that would have choked our connection for an hour. (And with no way to skip past it, either.) I thought our list didn't let such attachments through, but vectored them off to the side for selective retrieval? -- Jim

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Craig McCluskey wrote: Yes, especially ones that are 6.02 MEGAbytes in size!!! They were obviously fresh off a digital camera. It's important to run pictures like that through an image editing program to compress them and reduce their size before posting them to the Internet. The need for

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They were obviously fresh off a digital camera. Here at casa del old crap there's no problem with that. Our digicam usually coughs out 512x342 sized pictures, and has a serial port as the only way to offload them. -- Jim

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Jim Cathey wrote: Ouch! Good thing our wireless link to the ISP was working, on dial-up that would have choked our connection for an hour. (And with no way to skip past it, either.) After five minutes, I accessed my ISP's webmail client, which is slower than molasses when email is

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: Re: [MBZ] 420SEL timing chain/valve job Guess we are doing attachments again? I pity anyone on dial-up... Rick Knoble '85 300 CD '87 190 DT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email

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After five minutes, I accessed my ISP's webmail client, which is slower than molasses when email is downloading. Found an email with a couple of 2mb jpegs in it, deleted it, problem solved. Our ISP, as a service enhancement, has eliminated our webmail interface. Unless we pay extra. -- Jim

Re: [MBZ] 420SEL timing chain/valve job

Jim Cathey wrote: Our ISP, as a service enhancement, has eliminated our webmail interface. I suppose you could either call tech support and ask them to delete the 6mb email message (I did that once back when my modem was 14.4k) or use something like Yahoo mail to download/delete your messages,