Test is hard hose after cool down, engine not running.
Requires a good coolant tank, which one should not assume by this age.
Peter
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Max Dillon writes:
> This car has 330,000 miles, has been using a very small amount of
> coolant for years, but never had the hard upper hose when
> cold.
I've had a question about this test, is this done with the engine
running and cold (i.e. just after a cold start) or is the hose hard with
th
Yes, and it seems that there are heads with numbers from 16 on up to 22.
Attached is a picture of the casting of the part number from the head I just
took off my wagon. It is a number 14 head, the number is found above the number
two injector hole.
This car has 330,000 miles, has been using a v
But a 14 head is not a conviction. All of my 603s have or have had
14 heads. My original SDL was the best running of all and had over
400K on the 14 head. The last time this came up, the general
discussion was that if the 14 head survived this long, it would
probably live out its life. (Pro
4.
Is it in the right place in the number to denote 14, 16, etc., - 2 digits by
themselves.
Wilton
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] 87 300TD is this an OK car?
> That
Some of them last forever, some cracked in 50k miles. You have a
good one -- just don't ever let it get really hot, does them in every
time.
Peter
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'Just looked again. Head on my 87 300D is highly likely a 14; head on my 91
350SDL is clearly a 17.
Wilton
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] 87 300TD is this an OK car
Max Dillon"
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That's a 14 head, if the digit you're not sure of is a 4.
Max
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WILTON
.; so, is my head a 16 or a 14; I
suspect it's a 14; 'never heard/known anything about its being changed. No
prob with it now that I can tell. 123 kmi.
Wilton
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kmi.
Wilton
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] 87 300TD is this an OK car?
That engine was sold in various versions (4, 5, and 6 cylinder) from 1984
to 1995 or so.
Evapectomy on '87 300D built in Oct '86.
Wilton
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No, I think that is the later 124s which h
Isn't this the one with a picture of a head gasket amongst other parts in
the back? If there is no head problem why buy the parts?(unless you find a
deal on them or something like that.)
Worth asking about right? Maybe they know it has an early head and bought
parts just in case?
Mike
On Jul 31
Chances are if the car has made it this far you are not going to have
head problems.
-Rolf
On 7/30/2011 7:26 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:
Isn't their some concern with the 87 diesels? A certain problematic head or
something?
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Evaporator failures ran 15-30%, I believe (two out of three at our
house), probably due to the use of copper pipes swagged onto aluminum
cores. They crack at the junctions between the pipes and core as a
general rule, although other failures are possible.
The new ones are all aluminum, won
Max Dillon wrote:
No, I think that is the later 124s which had weak evaporators and wiring harnesses
that disintegrate. 1994 & 1995 I think, but now I'm remembering that Wilton
replaced one for one of his cars Which one was that Wilton?
Wilton has a very well preserved 1987 sedan, he l
No, I think that is the later 124s which had weak evaporators and wiring
harnesses that disintegrate. 1994 & 1995 I think, but now I'm remembering that
Wilton replaced one for one of his cars Which one was that Wilton?
Max
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OK Don wrote:
Bottom line, if I didn't see signs of a cracked head, I would not be afraid
of the car.
... but would prefer to see evidence of a recent evaporator replacement.
Mitch.
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On Jul 30, 2011 10:01 PM, "Mitch Haley" wrote:
> Michael Canfield wrote:
>> Not that wagon. The newer ones, I forget the model but someone was
selling
>> one here not long ago I think.
>
> Ohh, you think the 210 wagon looks like a y2k Escort, not that a 124 wagon
looks
> lik
Michael Canfield wrote:
Not that wagon. The newer ones, I forget the model but someone was selling
one here not long ago I think.
Ohh, you think the 210 wagon looks like a y2k Escort, not that a 124 wagon looks
like a 1981 Escort. I guess the round headlights and hood are sort of similar.
_
The Escort looking ones are like the e series wagon Kleb is going to look
at.
Mike
On Jul 30, 2011 8:05 PM, "Alex Chamberlain" wrote:
> Well, the wagons look like a Ford Escort, according to someone here.
>
>
>
> On 7/30/11, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:
>> Isn't their some concern with the 87 diesel
That engine was sold in various versions (4, 5, and 6 cylinder) from
1984 to 1995 or so. The original design was part # 14, and it failed
in service enough that by 1993 when the SDL was sold again it had the
#17 head on it (nine years later(.
The #14 was used on all OM603 engines sold in t
Yes. The later heads were also found on later cars - the 350SDL for example.
On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 7:55 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:
> OK, so did all 87s come with the 14 head and then later some had them
> replaced?
>
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>
> On Jul 30, 2011, at 8:26 PM, Dimitri Seretakis
>
OK, so did all 87s come with the 14 head and then later some had them replaced?
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 30, 2011, at 8:26 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:
Wow, now that is the answer I was looking for! Thank you.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 30, 2011, at 8:16 PM, Peter Frederick wrote:
In the
Marshall, or someone else, posited that they defective #14 heads have all
failed and been replaced by now. While not absolute, and overheating will
still crack good heads, I think there might be some merit to that statement.
The '87 SDL I had still had the original head at 200,000 miles and showed
Not that wagon. The newer ones, I forget the model but someone was selling
one here not long ago I think.
Mike
On Jul 30, 2011 8:05 PM, "Alex Chamberlain" wrote:
> Well, the wagons look like a Ford Escort, according to someone here.
>
>
>
> On 7/30/11, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:
>> Isn't their so
Wow, now that is the answer I was looking for! Thank you.
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On Jul 30, 2011, at 8:16 PM, Peter Frederick wrote:
In the middle of the part number on the head is a two digit code -- the
original is -14-. the first improved head is -17- and the best version is the
-22- one.
Th
In the middle of the part number on the head is a two digit code --
the original is -14-. the first improved head is -17- and the best
version is the -22- one.
They crack through from the combustion chamber to the coolant and or
oil passages, causing the usual results -- overheating, coolan
Actually I think they're quite nice looking. It's the mechanicals I'm concerned
about.
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On Jul 30, 2011, at 8:05 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote:
Well, the wagons look like a Ford Escort, according to someone here.
On 7/30/11, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:
Isn't their some concern
Well, the wagons look like a Ford Escort, according to someone here.
On 7/30/11, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:
> Isn't their some concern with the 87 diesels? A certain problematic head or
> something?
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My brother found one he's interested in. Is there a specific head to look out
for? What is the problem with the heads?
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On Jul 30, 2011, at 7:28 PM, Peter Frederick wrote:
The head is easily replaced. Else a standard W124 -- mine has about 350,000
miles on it and is doing
The head is easily replaced. Else a standard W124 -- mine has about
350,000 miles on it and is doing pretty well for it's age!
Peter
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