Re: [MBZ] Bio/why-o

2007-06-13 Thread ernest breakfield
need to get a few things straight; firstly, running Veg Oil and BioD isn't the same thing. (i've yet to see any pump selling Veg Oil for road use,...) as for appeal; for starters, fuel made from what would otherwise be a waste product that already served some purpose and was originally made

Re: [MBZ] Bio/why-o

2007-06-10 Thread OK Don
And the protection money you have to pay to keep someone from remotely hijacking the car while you're still in - going 70+ down the highway. On 6/9/07, Hendrik Riessen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Don't forget the daily trip to the the certified dealer to get the latest patches and security fixes.

Re: [MBZ] Bio/why-o

2007-06-10 Thread OK Don
That's the physical fitness part of the plan -- an added feature at no extra cost. On 6/9/07, Redghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Jeff, he will sell the patent to Micro$oft and then you will need to restart your car every time you come to a stop sign, get out of the car, run around it a few ti

Re: [MBZ] Bio/why-o

2007-06-10 Thread Hendrik Riessen
Don't forget the daily trip to the the certified dealer to get the latest patches and security fixes. - Original Message - From: "Redghost" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 9:57 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bio/w

Re: [MBZ] Bio/why-o

2007-06-10 Thread Redghost
Jeff, he will sell the patent to Micro$oft and then you will need to restart your car every time you come to a stop sign, get out of the car, run around it a few time while opening and shutting the boot, bonnet, left rear door and passenger vent window. clay On Jun 9, 2007, at 4:22 AM, J

Re: [MBZ] Bio/why-o

2007-06-09 Thread Fmiser
It seems than at Thu, 7 Jun 2007 15:12:59 +0100, Jeff wrote: > ... soybeans for BioD which is almost the lowest > yielding crop you can choose. Unfortunately, in the US, the BioD potential > has been hijacked by the Soya farmer's lobby group.many other oil > producing crops give better returns

Re: [MBZ] Bio/why-o

2007-06-09 Thread Hendrik Riessen
Kinda scary, creating synthetic life. They'd better not screw this up, the mutant microbes that ate the world. - Original Message - From: "Jeff Zedic" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 8:52 PM Subject: Re: [

Re: [MBZ] Bio/why-o

2007-06-09 Thread Bob Rentfro
;Jeff Zedic" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 4:22 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bio/why-o I was down the pub yesterday and read that a scientist in the US is close to perfecting his biodiesel producing microbe that will give us an &

Re: [MBZ] Bio/why-o

2007-06-09 Thread Jeff Zedic
I was down the pub yesterday and read that a scientist in the US is close to perfecting his biodiesel producing microbe that will give us an "endless" supply. The one possible stumbling block is that he's trying to patent it! This means we'll still be snookered by greed. (possibly) Here's the

Re: [MBZ] Bio/why-o

2007-06-08 Thread Ed Booher
On 6/7/07, Jeff Zedic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Allan, The highest yield comes from an oil producing algae that gives an exponential yield compared to soybeans Further, there is an algae that the Indians (and that's Asian India Indians, not Native Americans) have been experimenting with t

Re: [MBZ] Bio/why-o

2007-06-08 Thread Redghost
Article in the paper today has Seattle Biodiesel (imperium) contracting with some Algae group in San Francisco to supply oil to the huge plant due to be finished this month. Will be great to see the oil burning ships of the navy using BioDiesel made right here in WA On Jun 7, 2007, at 7:

Re: [MBZ] Bio/why-o

2007-06-08 Thread Redghost
Laurelhurst does booming business for Bio. It does eat the rubber bits when used full strength. Take it down to B20 and you get the lubricity advantages, as well as the reduced CO2 and particulate. No reduction of NOx. Does make the engine run quieter and smell better than the rear end

Re: [MBZ] Bio/why-o

2007-06-07 Thread Jeff Zedic
Allan, You point out the use of soybeans for BioD which is almost the lowest yielding crop you can choose. Unfortunately, in the US, the BioD potential has been hijacked by the Soya farmer's lobby group.many other oil producing crops give better returns. The highest yield comes from an oil p

Re: [MBZ] Bio/why-o

2007-06-07 Thread Allan Streib
Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > We only have a few energy sources, ultimately. Directly or > indirectly it's one of solar, tidal, fission, or fossil. > (I count geothermal under the fission category.) You could put fossil under the solar category. Wind and hydroelectric would go there

Re: [MBZ] Bio/why-o

2007-06-07 Thread Jim Cathey
Fuel cells hold more promise I guess, can use methanol or other hydrocarbons and not require pure hydrogen gas, but unless they use pure hydrogen (which as stated above, will require more energy to produce than you will get back) they also will emit CO2. Unless the carbon comes out of the ground

Re: [MBZ] Bio/why-o

2007-06-07 Thread Jim Cathey
We only have a few energy sources, ultimately. Directly or indirectly it's one of solar, tidal, fission, or fossil. (I count geothermal under the fission category.) Then there's hydrogen fusion (of the man-made variety, as opposed to solar). Bio-anything is solar. Here would be some irony: som

Re: [MBZ] Bio/why-o

2007-06-07 Thread Allan Streib
"Jeff Zedic" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > What's NOT to "get" about biodiesel? It's similar to what the engine > was originally designed to run on. Have you ran any veg oil in your > car? Mine ran smoother, quieter and had a bit more "oomph" while > reducing pollution. I have not run any veg o

Re: [MBZ] Bio/why-o

2007-06-07 Thread dave walton
The somewhat popular idea of a "Hydrogen Economy" is either a calculated ploy to distract people from emissions controls and fuel economy measures that can help us here-and-now, or it is the result of a brain-fart by total idiots. You are just as likely to succeed at fueling cars with squishy gumm

Re: [MBZ] Bio/why-o

2007-06-07 Thread Mitch Haley
Hendrik Riessen wrote: > Hydrogen is not silly, just not of age yet technologically speaking. It will always be a different (and potentially explosive) form of battery storage, not an energy source. Better to compare it to Ni-Cad, NiMH, and Li-Po than to biodiesel and petro. We can set up our

Re: [MBZ] Bio/why-o

2007-06-07 Thread Hendrik Riessen
en and it works", then the new technologies will fall by the wayside. Same with bio fuels, it works yes but is there better out there? - Original Message - From: "Jeff Zedic" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 7:18

Re: [MBZ] Bio/why-o

2007-06-07 Thread Jeff Zedic
What's NOT to "get" about biodiesel? It's similar to what the engine was originally designed to run on. Have you ran any veg oil in your car? Mine ran smoother, quieter and had a bit more "oomph" while reducing pollution. There's no way you pollute more by using it. Any CO2 released will be equal

Re: [MBZ] Bio/why-o

2007-06-07 Thread Luther
I make my own. Cost's me around $0.85/gal. I don't figure labor cost because it's saving me money that I can spend on luxuries :) -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (271,xxx mi) needs head '83 300SD (246,645 mi) SOLD! '82 300CD (166 kmi) getting front end rebuild '82 300D (74 kmi) get

Re: [MBZ] Bio/why-o

2007-06-07 Thread Zeitgeist
B99 (and B20) are typically cheaper than dino at my card-op station. My "personal" MB tech (that's me) has had to switch the fuel return lines from/between the injectors to the pump with viton, but other than that, there's been no engine-related downside. I've never observed any mileage penalty

Re: [MBZ] Bio/why-o

2007-06-07 Thread RELNGSON
> < politically correct "green" appeal to the idea, but my guess is that veg. > oil has less energy per volume unit than diesel #2, so > you will get worse mileage, use more fuel, pollute more, etc. as well as > chance screwing up your injection system.>> > Me neither. The owner of my card-op ga