sick people.
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How many die because of access to medical treatment?
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In my limited, non-scientific experience, I'd rate the number of
doctors and hand gun owners about equal in those that I do NOT feel
safe around. There a re good an bad examples of each. Some p
In my limited, non-scientific experience, I'd rate the number of
doctors and hand gun owners about equal in those that I do NOT feel
safe around. There a re good an bad examples of each. Some people just
can't be trusted, regardless of whether they have a S&W or an MD.
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I don&#x
I don't remember the numbers, and Don;t know if they are true, but
there is the story going around the Internet that states that X number
of people are killed by guns each year, and Y number are killed by
doctors, where X>Y, so doctors are more dangerous than guns.
On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 3:16 PM,
How many die because of access to medical treatment?
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LarryT wrote:
> You wrote < of insurance issues is not a mistake it's capitalism at it's worst>>
>
> Actually, it's illegal - signs are posted openly throughout the hospital
> - near ER, REception, on every floor in hallways - etc - only a blind
> person would miss it. It states that "anyone re
> E wrote:
> I found a big difference when between using Superglue with,
> and without pressure for the first minute when it's setting up
> on plastic. I also found, it works equally well with, or
> without pressure on fingers. I didn't really need that bit of
> flesh anyway.
I believe moisture
So perhaps we can surmise that they did not think the child was in need
of emergency medical treatment, "oooh it's only a slight temperature,
she'll be fine".
Hendrik
LarryT wrote:
You wrote <>
Actually, it's illegal - signs are posted openly throughout the
hospital - near ER, REception, on
Just like in college,. my buddy was a pharmacy major and would grab a
bottle of the med grade grain alcohol on a Friday afternoon. Much
better for the cabeza on Saturday morning.
--R
Mitch Haley wrote:
Rich Thomas wrote:
Maybe you were the one who reported that previously.
I may have said
Good brain or not if the policy is in place..
This leads on to the question of litigation, if that woman can prove
that due to the inaction of Hospital A her child died, would she have
recourse to seek compensation?
Then there is the question of the hypocratic oath that Doctors must
ple
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Of course mistakes are made but turning away a very sick person because of
insurance issues is not a mistake, it's capitalism at i
Hendrik & Fay writes:
> Of course mistakes are made but turning away a very sick person
> because of insurance issues is not a mistake, it's capitalism at it's
> worst.
It's likely just someone without a very good brain following "policy".
Allan
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Here is "pure" capitalism. Fortunately, the US isn't really capitalistic
these days.
http://www.raken.com/American_wealth/Gilded_age_index4.asp
If you can get it "down there" rent Blazing Saddles. It is a comedy but
somehow gives a true flavor of the great days of the railroad barons.
On Sat, De
Of course mistakes are made but turning away a very sick person because
of insurance issues is not a mistake, it's capitalism at it's worst.
Perhaps that is one thing I am trying to understand, does pure
capitalism turn society into a cold and uncaring machine that ONLY
worships money and succes
Well, I guess if Moore defamed the hospital (and possibly Kaiser) that
turned the child away they would have sued and made him cut that scene
from the movie.
Hendrik
Lee Einer wrote:
Michael Moore's claim, and the mother's, was legit.
The mother was turned away with her dying child because s
Rich Thomas wrote:
Maybe you were the one who reported that previously.
I may have said that here. It's what a friend who used to work in a medical
research lab told me. He carried the medical stuff in his first aid kit, either
swiped from the university or purchased from the university store
I found a big difference when between using Superglue with, and without
pressure for the first minute when it's setting up on plastic. I also
found, it works equally well with, or without pressure on fingers. I didn't
really need that bit of flesh anyway.
Ed
300E
2008/12/13 Rich Thomas
> Maybe
Maybe you were the one who reported that previously.
--R
Mitch Haley wrote:
Rich Thomas wrote:
You can buy that stuff at the drug store for patching up your bod, it
is somehow different from the superglue at Home Depot
The way I heard it, the medical grade stuff is pure CA, without any
thic
Rich Thomas wrote:
You can buy that stuff at the drug store for patching up your bod, it is
somehow different from the superglue at Home Depot
The way I heard it, the medical grade stuff is pure CA, without any thickeners
or preservatives.
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I punched a small hole in a turn signal with a flying pebble. I was
lucky,
in that the broken piece of lens was lodged inside, so using
superglue, I
was able to make a near perfect fix.
I've never had cyanoacrylate glue hold up on turn signal lenses.
It gets white and powdery in the sun. I'v
Peter Frederick writes:
> Insurance companies exist to produce profits for their stockholders,
> and in the new "Ayn Randism" world, this is all they are supposed to
> do.
Yes. They are businesses. They provide a service their customers want,
and generate a profit for themselves.
Allan
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If it happened as described, it sounds like the hospital did the wrong
thing. There are a lot of unanswered questions in my mind but I'll
leave it at that.
However, I'd wager than in any government-operated heath care plan, such
horror stories also can be found, and in greater numbers. Look at t
This post applies equally to broken turn signals as it does fingers. lol
Ed
300E
2008/12/13 Mitch Haley
> Peter Frederick wrote:
>
> Often works better if someone else does the gluing though.
>>
>
> Especially when the hole is in the back of your dominant hand.
> I felt lucky to get it taped u
You can buy that stuff at the drug store for patching up your bod, it is
somehow different from the superglue at Home Depot (someone told me and
I forgot how), but does the same thing. Just make sure it is only
sticking together what you want stuck together.
--R
OK Don wrote:
Yes - that is
Peter Frederick wrote:
Often works better if someone else does the gluing though.
Especially when the hole is in the back of your dominant hand.
I felt lucky to get it taped up and straight without wasting any more
butterflies than I did. With glue, it's got to be right the first time.
Mitc
I punched a small hole in a turn signal with a flying pebble. I was lucky,
in that the broken piece of lens was lodged inside, so using superglue, I
was able to make a near perfect fix. Ok, so I broke the retaining tangs
getting the lens out (amazing how many parts on a Benz are similar to those
Yes - that is true, though I don't know exactly where and for what
they use it. Might be gluing the cut ends of arteries together?
On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 3:45 PM, E M wrote:
> I've heard, not sure if true, Superglue is used during some surgeries.
--
OK Don, KD5NRO
Norman, OK
"There are only th
Cyanoacrylate glue was originally developed for wound closure, and only
later became a household fixit material.
Lee
E M wrote:
> I've heard, not sure if true, Superglue is used during some surgeries. A
> good doc friend of mine tells me, the knack to a good stitch is not to get
> the two cut
I've heard, not sure if true, Superglue is used during some surgeries. A
good doc friend of mine tells me, the knack to a good stitch is not to get
the two cut bits butted up together, but to get the two edges kinda upright,
and pulled together. I'm told, if they are butted up and stitched, there
Insurance companies exist to produce profits for their stockholders,
and in the new "Ayn Randism" world, this is all they are supposed to do.
Peter
On Dec 13, 2008, at 1:47 PM, Lee Einer wrote:
Michael Moore's claim, and the mother's, was legit.
The mother was turned away with her dying chi
Superglue works great, leaves very little scarring it you get the
sides all lined up properly. Not a good idea on very deep cuts
though, as you may need more than just sticking the skin back together.
Often works better if someone else does the gluing though.
Peter
On Dec 13, 2008, at 1:32
Michael Moore's claim, and the mother's, was legit.
The mother was turned away with her dying child because she was Kaiser
HMO and the nearest hospital was out of network. She begged for them to
take care of her baby and they called the cops. By the time the child
was transported to an "in network
OK Don wrote:
Yes - if he couldn't pay, they are required to provide care. The guy I
knew who stitched up his own cuts did it because he didn't want to
waste time going to the doctor or hospital "I can do it as well as
they can".
That's why I cleaned and butterflied my own hand this summer. I p
Hendrik & Fay writes:
> Well that's what I thought but Moore claims that is what happened to
> one little kid, who was refused and the mother had to drive the kid to
> the another hospital.
Does Moore have this incident on film, or just the mother's claim that
she was turned away at hospital #1?
Yes - if he couldn't pay, they are required to provide care. The guy I
knew who stitched up his own cuts did it because he didn't want to
waste time going to the doctor or hospital "I can do it as well as
they can".
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 11:10 PM, Hendrik & Fay wrote:
> Yes but a Government is
Well that's what I thought but Moore claims that is what happened to one
little kid, who was refused and the mother had to drive the kid to the
another hospital.
You'd have to be some kind of monster to not care for a sick child,
whether she had the right cover or not.
Hendrik
Rich Thomas wro
Well they would probably get together and fix the price of a band aid at
50 bucks.
Hendrik
Loren Faeth wrote:
If only the US were going down the capitalist, private road. ... We
have a semi-socialist system where the druggies and the insuransies
get the big bucks. We get charged $10 for a
I do believe there is a system in place called unemployment benefits
which enable those with no means to buy food, although if they do or not
is questionable.
Then there where the soup kitchens of the depression era but I am too
young to remember that.
Hendrik
Allan Streib wrote:
"OK Don" w
Yes but a Government is charged with looking after ALL it's citizens.
Sure if you want to choose doctor, hospital and stuff then take out
health insurance (which I have and they pay about half the bill of my
twice annual teeth cleaning bill because if I get my teeth checked twice
a year they ma
Allan Streib wrote:
I'd like to know why I can't get a cheap catastrophic insurance policy
with a $10K deductible and pay the nickle and dime stuff cash.
Must be a reason.
Dunno, makes sense that it should be cheap.
Would the nickel and dime stuff include prescriptions? If I didn't have
a pr
Allan Streib wrote:
I need to eat on a regular basis or I will certainly die. Yet nobody
seems to think that there should be a single payer government run system
for providing food (yet).
Food stamps.
John
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Now we understand.
--R
Wonko the Sane wrote:
I only see a doctor if I am bleeding profusely or have a
sinus infection that threatens to attack my brain tissue (has happened only
once).
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That does not really happen. To think it would is an insult to some
very caring people.
--R
Hendrik & Fay wrote:
Are you happy to see your child die in front of your eyes because the
nearest hospital refuses treatment due to not being part of your
health care insurance?
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If only the US were going down the capitalist, private
road. ... We have a semi-socialist system where the druggies and
the insuransies get the big bucks. We get charged $10 for a bandaid,
and it costs the clinic $12 or $15 to process the paperwork for a
nickel bandaid. and for this, the e
Mitch Haley writes:
> Allan Streib wrote:
>> I'd like to know why I can't get a cheap catastrophic insurance policy
>> with a $10K deductible and pay the nickle and dime stuff cash.
>
> Who said you can't?
> esurance.com
"Prices are fixed by law"
$319 a month is not what I'd call "cheap". That
It's called "food stamps" ---
> I need to eat on a regular basis or I will certainly die. Yet nobody
> seems to think that there should be a single payer government run system
> for providing food (yet).
>
> Allan
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"There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor ra
Allan Streib wrote:
I'd like to know why I can't get a cheap catastrophic insurance policy
with a $10K deductible and pay the nickle and dime stuff cash.
Who said you can't?
esurance.com
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"OK Don" writes:
> One of the basic differences is whether health care is a right or a
> privilege. Many believe it is a privilege - I know very good doctors,
> who even do free work sometimes, who believe it's a privilege, not a
> right.
I need to eat on a regular basis or I will certainly die.
"Wonko the Sane" writes:
> In spite of what the others are telling you, Michael Moore is the Moses of
> America 2008.
Michael Moore is a big fat idiot. (To turn a phrase by Al Franken).
Allan
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Hendrik & Fay writes:
> So if I was living in the states and had insurance with health
> provider XYZ, I can take my very sick kid to the nearest hospital run
> by the ABC health insurance company and they will treat my child and
> bill XYZ for the treatment?
Most likely. If your insurance plan
John Robbins writes:
> Someone who has no health insurance goes to the ER to get medicine for
> their cold... how much cheaper would it be to send them to a standard
> doctor?
I'd like to know why I can't get a cheap catastrophic insurance policy
with a $10K deductible and pay the nickle and dim
Yes - the current administrations treatment of our military is
despicable. We'll see if the new one does any better.
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 8:59 PM, Wilton Strickland wrote:
> Wonko, at 65, you'll go on Medicare with everybody else, but
> Tricare-for-life (retired military ins) will become your
One of the basic differences is whether health care is a right or a
privilege. Many believe it is a privilege - I know very good doctors,
who even do free work sometimes, who believe it's a privilege, not a
right.
Another issue is our belief in our individual right to choose - a
doctor, a hospital,
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Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 8:34 PM
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> Ok, joking aside, Hendrik, here's the deal as I see it. The health care
> industry has the Legislative Branch in their hip pocke
Ahh right now I understand, in the movie Moore makes mention of people
getting dumped outside welfare shelters in hospital gowns.
So the poor get the most basic of care and then get dumped, once the
hospital figures out they got no way of paying the bill.
What I mean by best is the ability of the
Ok, joking aside, Hendrik, here's the deal as I see it. The health care
industry has the Legislative Branch in their hip pockets due to lobbying and
campaign contributions. In fact, drug companies were the #1 contributer to
re-election coffers in the US last year.
I am a retired military officer,
In spite of what the others are telling you, Michael Moore is the Moses of
America 2008.
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 5:38 PM, Hendrik & Fay wrote:
> I watched that Michael Moore movie Sicko last night and was quite shocked
> by the state of the health system in the US, I remember when Kaleb told us
>
And you're saying that Moore made these people lie?
So why has he not been sued for slander by the companies he attacked?
Some of them come off looking pretty evil.
So if I was living in the states and had insurance with health provider
XYZ, I can take my very sick kid to the nearest hospital ru
Hendrik & Fay wrote:
Are you happy to see your child die in front of your eyes because the
nearest hospital refuses treatment due to not being part of your
health care insurance?
I'm all for free health care, but hospitals aren't allowed to refuse
emergency treatment to anyone. As soon as you
It's a delicate balance for the drug companies. For every successful
drug, many formulas are developed and tested, and fail to achieve the
hoped-for results. If they could not make a profit from the successful
ones, they would not be in business and then the drug would never be
developed.
My mom
Hendrik & Fay wrote:
Are you happy to pay 120 bucks for an inhaler which is sold in Cuba for
5 cents?
Are you happy to see your child die in front of your eyes because the
nearest hospital refuses treatment due to not being part of your health
care insurance?
Are you happy to repeat lies as i
No there is not but the user pays system does not appear to be working,
as promised.
Hendrik
who got the family health care card in the mail yesterday, when did you
get yours?
E M wrote:
There is no such thing as free health care, anywhere.
Ed
300E
This is not about Michael Moore and whatever he may or may not be but it
is about health care and whether you are happy that it is a political
thing, instead of being a fundamental right of every citizen.
Are you happy to pay 120 bucks for an inhaler which is sold in Cuba for
5 cents?
Are you ha
amp; Fay wrote:
> From: Hendrik & Fay
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on, just don't get hypothermia
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List"
> Date: Friday, December 12, 2008, 6:38 PM
> I watched that Michael Moore movie Sicko last night and was
> quite shocked
Hendrik & Fay wrote:
I watched that Michael Moore movie Sicko last night and was quite
shocked by the state of the health system in the US,
Don't make the mistake of thinking that Michael Whore creates documentaries
based upon facts.
Mitch.
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There is no such thing as free health care, anywhere.
Ed
300E
2008/12/12 Hendrik & Fay
> I watched that Michael Moore movie Sicko last night and was quite shocked
> by the state of the health system in the US, I remember when Kaleb told us
> he was gonna get the boot, that health insurance was
Nothing Michael Moore says is of any interest to me---the guy is a
self-promoting blowhard who makes the American left look even dumber
than it manages to do itself---but, Hendrik, you may not realize that
health care is a real political hot potato in the USA. Is the ban on
politics on the list st
Hendrik & Fay writes:
> I watched that Michael Moore movie Sicko last night and was quite
> shocked by the state of the health system in the US
Michael Moore is a radical left wing loon. Don't base any opionions on
what you saw there, he is definitely presenting only carefully chosen
anecdotes
I watched that Michael Moore movie Sicko last night and was quite
shocked by the state of the health system in the US, I remember when
Kaleb told us he was gonna get the boot, that health insurance was big
worry and I thought to myself then how bizarre this is. Over here if you
lose your job, y
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