So the Falcon is a much better use of space on the inside which makes sense.
I've never really taken a good Look at one to see how much room was inside
compared to most modern cars. My parents had a '60 Falcon, but that was
before my time.
Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
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OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Stuff isn't shipped with gasoline - it's shipped with Diesel, and
Diesel is WAY too high now ---
How much of the cost of goods is the fuel burned to ship
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Allan Streib wrote:
That figure is ton-miles, i.e. they say they can move 1 ton of freight
423 miles on a gallon of fuel.
Now
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My point about the fuel prices is that it seems the only way to get
North
Americans
LarryT wrote:
they said a train gets 423 miles per gallon - which seems impossible
Indeed. Figure out the coefficient of rolling resistance, multiply
by the weight, and you get a drag number which makes that very impossible.
Can't even be 423 loaded boxcar-miles per gallon. OTOH, Amtrak is
Kaleb wrote:
There was supposed to be one built back in the 70's not 8 miles from my
house. They protested and got it shut down so now the site is empty.
Hear talk of building something there, maybe nuke, maybe coal.
In kansas we are dealing with this issue on a statewide basis.
There was a commercial on the radio for CSX pushing RRs for
travel and movement of materials - they said a train gets 423
miles per gallon - which seems impossible - but I know little
about them except they use diesel engines to power electric
motors.
Any idea how they came up with that
Its usually per weighted mile. RRs are more efficient for large amounts of
freight in the same way a bus is more efficient for larger numbers of people.
-Curt
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More like 20 years Dan,
Marathon
Larry T. Wrote:
While economizing to make oil last longer there is no escaping the need
for
new reserves of oil to keep our economy chugging along. Saving money
with
wind, solar, etc generators is fine but it;s a dropin the bucket when
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LarryT wrote:
they said a train gets 423 miles per gallon - which seems impossible
Ok Don wrote:
Stuff isn't shipped with gasoline - it's shipped with Diesel, and
Diesel is WAY too high now
I agree with that. But, I don't think that changes the analysis. The
way I understand refining, a refiner can hydrocrack the oil and produce
more gasoline now OR the refiner
OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Stuff isn't shipped with gasoline - it's shipped with Diesel, and
Diesel is WAY too high now ---
How much of the cost of goods is the fuel burned to ship it? I have
no idea, but I guess it can't be a lot because prices have not gone up
noticeably during the
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OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Stuff isn't shipped with gasoline - it's shipped with Diesel, and
Diesel is WAY too high now ---
How much of the cost of goods
That figure is ton-miles, i.e. they say they can move 1 ton of freight
423 miles on a gallon of fuel.
Allan
Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
LarryT wrote:
they said a train gets 423 miles per gallon - which seems impossible
Indeed. Figure out the coefficient of rolling resistance,
Allan Streib wrote:
That figure is ton-miles, i.e. they say they can move 1 ton of freight
423 miles on a gallon of fuel.
Now that makes sense. And I'm sure it beats any other non-waterborne
transportation.
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I've been really freaked out by the cars here ever since I got back to
NA.bland bland bland styling.even the same models seem to have
subtle variations that make them look different.
Before you get too excited to and jealous of the Europeans and their
cars, just remember how much they
Donald,
I know!! I live there!!
Actually, it's not THAT bad. First you need to keep in mind that US fuel is
too cheap. ( in several ways). The price of petrol before the latest rise,
was, in real dollar terms the cheapest it had ever been. Also, the US fuel
isn't the cleanest...ever notice that
Yes the US must immediately raise fuel prices by $5/gallon. I am sure
the various governments involved would use the money efficiently, as
they do now, and to make life better for everyone. I trust the
governments! I believe in higher taxes! I know life will be better if
only the US
Rich Thomas wrote:
Yes the US must immediately raise fuel prices by $5/gallon. I am sure
the various governments involved would use the money efficiently, as
they do now, and to make life better for everyone. I trust the
governments! I believe in higher taxes! I know life will be better
Yah, right...
Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
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Yes the US must
Yeah, have to agree. When last in Italy, I had a 2 litre gas car. 3 ppl
and all our bags in the. At that time, gas was a little better than double
what it was here. I filled it up when I started, and it took premium. Cost
about $100. During my stay, I added aother $20, and that got me almost
I know, I agree, these are my beliefs, just thought I would share. I am
so disappointed that none of our presidential candidates are promoting
this obvious and beneficial plan.
--R
John Robbins wrote:
Rich Thomas wrote:
Yes the US must immediately raise fuel prices by $5/gallon. I am
In the past, Ford has brought a few models over, but they have all failed
in the market.
Isn't the Ford Focus one such model? They must have modified/cheapened it
for the North American market since it had so many problems in the
beginning.
Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
1983 300SD 266Kmi, Ursula
Kevin Kraly wrote:
In the past, Ford has brought a few models over, but they have all failed
in the market.
Wasn't the 1976-83 Ford Fiasco the first world car? Seems like it
had an emblem on the back with a dozen countries' flags on it.
I think there are all different levels of spec for the car. They have some
really hot versions over in the UK, and other countries. Selling such a car
here for $45,000 might be hard, but it's pretty much a little rally car, and
I think pretty good value for what it is. To a degree, I think many
Yup, we had one when they were new. lol. My dad was in the car business,
so we tried all the new stuff at the time.
Back then, if you mentioned timing belts, most would look at you kind of
funny. Push rod ruled the day. Our other car was a Lincoln Mk. V at the
time, with a 460.
As for the
John R. wrote: He never said anything about raising the price of fuel
over here
Just that it wasn't as bad as you would think since the increase in fuel
mileage correlates to the increase in fuel cost.
Well, let's all pray that gas does not get that expensive. I am sure
that because
Isn't the Ford Focus one such model? They must have
modified/cheapened it for the North American market since it had so
many problems in the beginning.
I don't know about any problems with the Focus and I have heard that the
EURO models are faster and sportier, but I rented one of them
but was
in Canada.
Randy
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Kevin Kraly wrote:
In the past, Ford has brought a few models
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Donald,
I know!! I live there!!
Actually, it's not THAT bad. First you need to keep in mind that US fuel is
too
Hi, Alles.
Formula Ford has used Cortina engines and they are not slow. Car was
the usual Brit POS and quite zippy. (I know, I'm old)
Fred Moir
Lynn MA
It's Diesel this and Diesel that and chuck 'im out, the brute with
apologies to R. Kipling
At 12:02 PM 1/24/2008, you wrote:
How about the
R A Bennell wrote:
So what is available over there in terms of trucks? North America
runs on trucks. When I see photos of Europe, I see little snub nosed
vans and flat nosed flat bed trucks but nothing that we think of as
pickup trucks. Do they import Toyota and Nissan pickup trucks?
There is
There's lots of Toyota and Nissan p/ups in the UK as well as Mazda and
Mitsubishi. What you see very few of thankfully, are the humongous things
that are omnipresent here.
Isn't the Ford Ranger really a Mazda anyway?? You mainly see Toyotas or
proper Land Rovers.
There's some joker near me that
Jeff Zedic wrote:
Isn't the Ford Ranger really a Mazda anyway?? You mainly see Toyotas or
proper Land Rovers.
Other way around, Mazda pickups (since '94 at least) are Ford Rangers.
I have a '95 Mazda B2300, and I go to the Ford dealership for parts.
John
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Kevin Kraly wrote:
In the past, Ford has brought a few models over, but they have all
failed
Rich Thomas wrote:
Yes the US must immediately raise fuel prices by $5/gallon.
I am sure the various governments involved would use the
I know life will be better if only the US becomes
more like Europe!
He never said anything about raising the price of fuel over
here Just that it
Its the oil companies controlling all that over here.
Jeff Zedic wrote:
Donald,
I know!! I live there!!
Actually, it's not THAT bad. First you need to keep in mind that US fuel is
too cheap. ( in several ways). The price of petrol before the latest rise,
was, in real dollar terms the
My point about the fuel prices is that it seems the only way to get North
Americans to conserve fuel is to raise the price. With it being so cheap, it
just gets pissed away. People want the easy way out and that means cheap
fuel no matter what they have to do to ensure it. (read into that one what
Jeff Zedic [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Small cars in North America, when made by certain companies, were
shitbox deathtraps. It's like they were made badly on purpose.
They were made badly to satisfy gov't requirements on fleet fuel
economy, by companies who knew that their customers did not
The Capri had a 2.0 liter 4 cyl OHC mill in it that
was the bomb. Same engine was in the early
(70-71-1/2) Pintos, as I had one with it . A dead
wicked engine with a lot of little tweaks you could do
to really get it going.
Dan
--- Frederick W Moir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi, Alles.
] First MB Diesel
The Capri had a 2.0 liter 4 cyl OHC mill in it that
was the bomb. Same engine was in the early
(70-71-1/2) Pintos, as I had one with it . A dead
wicked engine with a lot of little tweaks you could do
to really get it going.
Dan
--- Frederick W Moir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
No, it's the traders who set the price. The oil companies make lots of
money when it is high, and not so much when it is lower. The economics
of the all bidness are sorta interesting, given the risks involved with
multi-year lead times, huge expenditures required, dry holes, politics
(think
Rich Thomas wrote: Oh, and the environmentalists who block new
drilling and refineries.
BINGO! That is why gas and diesel are so high. There are not enough
refineries! The current refineries are aging and without replacements,
gas is going to get more and more expensive. Koch Industries
If I remember correctly the comment that I've heard in
the news numerous times, there hasn't been a new
refinery built in the U.S. for over 10 years.
Sorta like Nuke plants...
Dan
--- Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Rich Thomas wrote: Oh, and the environmentalists
who block new
Didn't I see something on this in the news recently? I don't know how many
refineries got blown out of the water on the Gulf Coast and STILL aren't
back online. Others are down for upgrading that's gone on longer than
expected.
Lots of refineries are behind the times technology-wise.
And then
Actually, today, some planned refinery expansions and new constructions
are being (have been) put on hold because of projected decreases (or
smaller increases) in consumption due to prices and govt plans to force
auto makers to increase fuel economy. The refinery owners/operators
don't see
most palatable solution for me is to make sure I'm putting the gas into a
car that I really enjoy driving. If you really enjoy your time behind the
wheel of whatever you're driving, seems to make handing over your money at
the gas station a little easier. :-)
Ed
300E
On 24/01/2008, Jeff Zedic
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Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 4:02 PM
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If I remember correctly the comment that I've heard in
the news numerous times, there hasn't been a new
refinery built in the U.S. for over 10 years.
Sorta like
No, not really a current issue. All refineries need downtime for
maintenance, and are constantly being maintained. I don't think there
is much if any reduced capacity due to the hurricanes as any damage has
been dealt with. I think there might have been one or two really old
ones, or
BZZZT, WRONG. There has not been a new refinery built in over 30 years.
1976 or so
LWB250 wrote:
If I remember correctly the comment that I've heard in
the news numerous times, there hasn't been a new
refinery built in the U.S. for over 10 years.
Sorta like Nuke plants...
Dan
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, January 24, 2008 4:39 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] First MB Diesel
The Capri had a 2.0 liter 4 cyl OHC mill in it that
was the bomb. Same engine was in the early
(70-71-1/2) Pintos, as I had one with it . A dead
wicked engine with a lot of little tweaks you could do
to really get it going.
Dan
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Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 4:57 PM
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Rich Thomas wrote: Oh, and the environmentalists who
: Thursday, January 24, 2008 5:02 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] First MB Diesel
If I remember correctly the comment that I've heard in
the news numerous times, there hasn't been a new
refinery built in the U.S. for over 10 years.
Sorta like Nuke plants...
Dan
--- Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED
] First MB Diesel
If I remember correctly the comment that I've heard in
the news numerous times, there hasn't been a new
refinery built in the U.S. for over 10 years.
Sorta like Nuke plants...
Dan
--- Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Rich Thomas wrote: Oh
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Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 5:27 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] First MB Diesel -- now fuel and efficiency
Actually, today, some planned refinery expansions and new constructions
are being
More like 20 years Dan,
Marathon Refinery in St.James La. was the last one
completed. They are now going thru a 10 Billion Over hall
that will increase their Production tow fold. A friend
of mine is the Chief Production Chemist there.
BTW it took them about 8 years of hassle with the Enviros
and
On Jan 24, 2008, at 7:09 PM, LarryT wrote:
Now, it's making him millions ...
You've hit on his motivation
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Stuff isn't shipped with gasoline - it's shipped with Diesel, and
Diesel is WAY too high now ---
Higher gas prices in the US mean higher prices FOR
everything in the US. Because the US is such a big country and shipping
costs for everyday goods are very susceptible to increases in price, an
looking for economy cars. Hence the Pinto and Vega were born.
They were rushed thru design and RD was virtually non-existant.
The '60 Falcon was Ford's first econo-box. I've gotten better
than 30MPG in it more than once (after a fresh tuneup), and it
seats six comfortably. The Pinto was a
Hard to believe, but that Falcon is now our largest car.
Even larger than the 300SDL?
Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
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Hard to believe, but that Falcon is now our largest car.
Even larger than the 300SDL?
One holds six. The other, five. And I believe the Falcon
is a little wider inside. The SDL has more legroom in back,
but the Falcon has enough. (The truck also holds six, but
the back seat is definitely a
I remember a discussion the other day about when the first diesel was
mass produced. According to my handy dandy Ultimate History of Mercedes
Benz (a book I bought for a friend for a birthday), the first mass
produced diesel was the 1936 260D. Mercedes was putting diesels in
commercial trucks
You also appreciate the Euro lights much more at night too!! My Audi A4
TDI has nicde birght lights as well as the dipping feature that doesn't
exist in North America. I think my car has 4 settings for dippingalso
has the original Euro trailer hitch and wiring! Gotta love Euro spec!
Jeff
A few years back when there were a lot more W126s on the roads here, you
would see the odd, Euro model. I always loved the slight differences
between those, and our Canadian spec cars. I also thought the way they put
the folds in the seats on the Euro cars was much cooler and more modern
I often see pics of Euro spec Mercedes running around with trail hitches. I
think you could get them factory ordered over there? I was told, they
aren't an option here, and putting one on your car will void the warranty.
Did Euro models get extra tranny coolers? Maybe Mercedes were worried
Most, if not all MB's have a tranny cooler anyway. Yes, the hitches are
factory and if you look in the trunk floor pan area you'll probably see the
nuts welded into the floor that are put there for the hitch.
Euro hitches are much better designed than crappy NA
onesIMHO.unfortunately they
I think the clubman is due here soon, if not already here. Yeah, I love
some of the small cars in Europe. They seem to know how to make a small car
fun and good looking. Most small cars here seem to me, to constantly remind
you how little money you spent all the time. Oh well, just makes
Righto Don. 1936 260D, the first mass produced Diesel car. There
was one in the old Museum at Stuttgart. I am guessing it is in the
new museum also.
At 05:10 PM 1/23/2008, you wrote:
I remember a discussion the other day about when the first diesel was
mass produced. According to my handy
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