Re: [MBZ] HCCI and 'what is a diesel"

2005-10-28 Thread Gabriel S.
not my car...pedal to the metal. On 10/26/05, David Brodbeck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > dave walton wrote: > >Regardless of how the fuel is ignited, diesel contains roughly 30% > >more BTU's than gasoline. Any moderately efficient engine will give > >more MPG's on diesel. I doubt that a compre

Re: [MBZ] HCCI and 'what is a diesel"

2005-10-28 Thread Christopher McCann
Yes, he was born in France. My friend Jason was born in Canada of American parents and did not come to the US till he was 3...he isn't a Canadian. Diesels parents were both born in Bavaria where the family had roots for hundreds of years. They moved to Paris, where Rudolf was born. This does not m

Re: [MBZ] HCCI and 'what is a diesel

2005-10-28 Thread ned kleinhenz
<> Dave: Thanks for the enlightment. Actual industry data is better than handbook stuff, any day. Your information tells me two things - one bad and one good. 1) If diesel fuel has 30% more energy than gasoline on a volume basis, then the 20% to 30% better fuel mileage of a diesel is not remarka

Re: [MBZ] HCCI and 'what is a diesel

2005-10-27 Thread dave walton
The specific BTU's vary widely. Both gasoline and diesel are blended according to the ambient temperature where they are sold and the local emission regulations. You can find many different numbers. In fact, the winter blend of diesel sold at the pump may have 30,000 fewer BTU's than the summer ble

Re: [MBZ] HCCI and 'what is a diesel

2005-10-27 Thread ned kleinhenz
<< Regardless of how the fuel is ignited, diesel contains roughly 30% more BTU's than gasoline.>> Dave - According to my reference books that is not accurate. According to "Internal Combustion Engines" a mechanical engineering text book by Obert - Motor gasoline - 20,300 Btu/lb or 124,300 Btu/ga

Re: [MBZ] HCCI and 'what is a diesel"

2005-10-26 Thread David Brodbeck
dave walton wrote: Regardless of how the fuel is ignited, diesel contains roughly 30% more BTU's than gasoline. Any moderately efficient engine will give more MPG's on diesel. I doubt that a compression ignition engine run on gasoline will be 30% more efficient than current technology using a spa

Re: [MBZ] HCCI and 'what is a diesel"

2005-10-26 Thread Mitch Haley
dave walton wrote: > I expect the next logical step will be to extract energy from the > waste heat of combustion. I can recall a couple of hybrid vehicles in Popular Science about 30 years ago which used a smaller gas engine combined with a closed loop "steam" engine (working fluid was freon not

Re: [MBZ] HCCI and 'what is a diesel"

2005-10-26 Thread Gabriel S.
He was German? He was born in France though. See these articles: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudolf_Diesel http://rudolf-diesel.biography.ms/ http://www.answers.com/topic/rudolf-diesel I also don't like NY city but am quite fond of the Midwest. On 10/26/05, Christopher McCann <[EMAIL PROTECT

Re: [MBZ] HCCI and 'what is a diesel"

2005-10-26 Thread Christopher McCann
backwards: Diesel (Rudolf, not Rudolph) was German, who grew up in Paris, fled with his fam to england during the Franco-Prussian war becuase of anti-German hysteria and then moved to Germany and lived there the rest of his life when he was not travelling. I do think one of his jobs (when he worke

Re: [MBZ] HCCI and 'what is a diesel"

2005-10-26 Thread Gabriel S.
I think Rudolph Diesel was actually a french man living in Germany On 10/26/05, Christopher McCann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > They are developping direct injection HCCI engines, so > there is another argument for caliing it a diesel. > > FYI, Diesel's first diesel engine ran on...GASOLINE(!) >

Re: [MBZ] HCCI and 'what is a diesel"

2005-10-26 Thread Christopher McCann
ol/gas. So > please don't get mixed up > >when you fill it up." > > > >Hendrik > > > >- Original Message ----- > >From: "Christopher McCann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Sent: Wednesday, October 2

Re: [MBZ] HCCI and 'what is a diesel"

2005-10-26 Thread Christopher McCann
They are developping direct injection HCCI engines, so there is another argument for caliing it a diesel. FYI, Diesel's first diesel engine ran on...GASOLINE(!) and it wasn't called a gasoline engine, nor was it called Diesel, it was called the "Rational Heat Engine"...other people started calling

Re: [MBZ] HCCI and 'what is a diesel"

2005-10-26 Thread Archer
- Original Message - > IIRC there is more difference between between spark ignition and compression > ignition than the fuel and ignition source. > The two are idealized with different thermodynamic cycles. > Spark ignitioin (SI) uses the Otto cycle which sucks in the fuel/air charge > d

Re: [MBZ] HCCI and 'what is a diesel"

2005-10-26 Thread ned kleinhenz
IIRC there is more difference between between spark ignition and compression ignition than the fuel and ignition source. The two are idealized with different thermodynamic cycles. Spark ignitioin (SI) uses the Otto cycle which sucks in the fuel/air charge during the intake stroke. After compressio

Re: [MBZ] HCCI and 'what is a diesel"

2005-10-26 Thread Loren Faeth
t, it actually runs on petrol/gas. So please don't get mixed up when you fill it up." Hendrik - Original Message - From: "Christopher McCann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 4:37 AM Subject: [MBZ] HCCI and 'wha

Re: [MBZ] HCCI and 'what is a diesel"

2005-10-26 Thread Rory
On 10/25/05, Hendrik Riessen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Well from what I can see it is to do with the name of the fuel that is > used > in a particular engine. I'd agree with Hendrik, although our diesels are compression ignition, they run on diesel fuel. Some Military Multi-fuel engines ca

Re: [MBZ] HCCI and 'what is a diesel"

2005-10-26 Thread Hendrik Riessen
el in it, it actually runs on petrol/gas. So please don't get mixed up when you fill it up." Hendrik - Original Message - From: "Christopher McCann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 4:37 AM Subject: [MBZ] HCC

[MBZ] HCCI and 'what is a diesel"

2005-10-25 Thread Christopher McCann
In reading about HCCI, it annoys me that they say it is 'like a diesel' or 'like it's diesel cousin'...I guess this bugs me b/c I have read about Diesel himself and see how he envisaged the engine. Any compression ignition engine is a diesel...obvisouly HCCI is the most different out there, esp si