Re: [MBZ] Let's raise the speed limit to 85 in MT!

2014-12-02 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
I knew it was bad when I-10 splits from I-20 and I saw literally no lights anywhere and radio reception disappeared. Can't get much more rural than that. I drove until near exhaustion and made it to Ozona, TX. Dan Sent from my iPad > On Dec 2, 2014, at 3:42 PM, Rich Thomas > wrote: > > I-

Re: [MBZ] Let's raise the speed limit to 85 in MT!

2014-12-02 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
I-10 is almost 1000miles from one end to the other, and about 800 of that is empty and boring landscape. We drove from Houston to Big Bend one time (take a left onto I-10, drive 700 miles, take another left at Ft. Stockton then another 100mi or so to Big Bend). I was going 80-85 the whole way

Re: [MBZ] Let's raise the speed limit to 85 in MT!

2014-12-02 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
I have driven across Texas, and I can safely say that I was glad I started at El Paso at dusk and stopped in Ozona around 1:00 am. When I woke up later that day I realized I hadn't missed anything. Still too, me the better part of the day to get out of Texas Dan Sent from my iPad > On D

Re: [MBZ] Let's raise the speed limit to 85 in MT!

2014-12-02 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
And Nebraska. It is way worse than I-70 in Kansas. And don't forget Texas and OK Montana, Wyoming, the Dakotas, Kansas, Nevada, Colorado (eastern). Many parts of these states are flat as the proverbial board. Did you know that civil engineers purposefully put curves in roads rather than h

Re: [MBZ] Let's raise the speed limit to 85 in MT!

2014-12-02 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Montana, Wyoming, the Dakotas, Kansas, Nevada, Colorado (eastern). Many parts of these states are flat as the proverbial board. Did you know that civil engineers purposefully put curves in roads rather than having long straight sections in order to keep drivers engaged? Dan Sent from my iPad

Re: [MBZ] Let's raise the speed limit to 85 in MT!

2014-12-02 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
As of now, but I think most would rise to the challenge. I'd be over 50% would qualify for 70 mph or more. Under your proposal, I suspect 90% of the population would be in golf carts, 8% on mopeds, 1% in 240D Like cars and 1% in the unlimited class. ;-) LarryT _

Re: [MBZ] Let's raise the speed limit to 85 in MT!

2014-12-02 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
I found driving on the autobahn at 140 to 160 kliks to be quite comfortable. An that was in a kitty car, not even an audi, and not close to an MB. Still, I am lucky i did not get a ticket, as most of the autobahn is now posted with artificially low speed limits. The main reason why drivers

Re: [MBZ] Let's raise the speed limit to 85 in MT!

2014-12-02 Thread LarryT via Mercedes
Unfortunately I think that attitude is universal in the US, - the lack of knowledge of driving has moved to all segments of cars. It used to be Porsche owners would either flash each others with a high beam blink, or give a small wave, now, only owners of, say, pre 95, 911s return the flash

Re: [MBZ] Let's raise the speed limit to 85 in MT!

2014-12-02 Thread LarryT via Mercedes
Under your proposal, I suspect 90% of the population would be in golf carts, 8% on mopeds, 1% in 240D Like cars and 1% in the unlimited class. ;-) LarryT On 12/1/2014 7:58 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: I have always been of the opinion that driving license should be done on a demonstrated skil

Re: [MBZ] Let's raise the speed limit to 85 in MT!

2014-12-02 Thread LarryT via Mercedes
Oh Man! I love Mt!! I would imagine that all that open space in Mt (and adjoining states), it would be impossible _not _to drive faster than 55! LarryT 91 300D 74 911 On 12/1/2014 6:14 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote: Montana had a "reasonable and prudent" speed limit and thumbed their

Re: [MBZ] Let's raise the speed limit to 85 in MT!

2014-12-02 Thread LarryT via Mercedes
I am sure you're right about how bad people will allow their cars to deteriorate and still drive them but I think we need to put the pressure on our citizens to grow up and maintain their cars if they want to drive at the speeds others find acceptable. IMO it's like the Nanny state run amok

Re: [MBZ] Let's raise the speed limit to 85 in MT!

2014-12-02 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Tue, 2 Dec 2014 04:21:32 -0800 Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: > We did 47mpg over 1500 miles to Michigan and back loaded heavy and > running fast. Love that little car. Mine is about 200# lighter than the > mk4 that replaced it which is lighter than the mk5 that replaced it > etc.. And that

Re: [MBZ] Let's raise the speed limit to 85 in MT!

2014-12-02 Thread archer75--- via Mercedes
Friend who has houses in Idaho; Elko, Nevada; and Indian Wells, California; picked up a BMW sports car in Bavaria and drove it on one of Germanys well known tracks at 150 mph. After the ceremony at BMW which was something like being knighted by the Queen, he toured Europe. (At his first fuel s

Re: [MBZ] Let's raise the speed limit to 85 in MT!

2014-12-02 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Mine is about 200# lighter than the mk4 that replaced it which is lighter than the mk5 that replaced it etc.. All in the name of passenger protection. Nobody wants to get a 3 star crash rating, they'd never sell a car to a female or married couple. Mitch _

Re: [MBZ] Let's raise the speed limit to 85 in MT!

2014-12-02 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
We did 47mpg over 1500 miles to Michigan and back loaded heavy and running fast. Love that little car. Mine is about 200# lighter than the mk4 that replaced it which is lighter than the mk5 that replaced it etc.. Curt Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android ___ http

Re: [MBZ] Let's raise the speed limit to 85 in MT!

2014-12-02 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Kittery is not "extreme north woods" by any measure being the southern most town in the state. You can go another 300 miles north on 95 and still be in Maine, then get on rt1 and go another 100 miles north and STILL be in Maine. Just because a place is big and you're impatient doesn't mean you N

Re: [MBZ] Let's raise the speed limit to 85 in MT!

2014-12-01 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote: You flash people here driving in the left lane and they have no clue what you are doing, which also stands to reason they have no clue what they are doing either since they are driving in the left lane. 25 years ago I decided that's why the left shoulder i

Re: [MBZ] Let's raise the speed limit to 85 in MT!

2014-12-01 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
You flash people here driving in the left lane and they have no clue what you are doing, which also stands to reason they have no clue what they are doing either since they are driving in the left lane. The last 3 months I have had to drive at least 300 miles a day all highway and I would say i

Re: [MBZ] Let's raise the speed limit to 85 in MT!

2014-12-01 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
We got 46 mpg in the Passat driving the speed limit over 640 miles - most all highway, except in AR where there's a town every 20 miles with a stop sign in the middle. On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 8:18 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Well that spark actually got 32

Re: [MBZ] Let's raise the speed limit to 85 in MT!

2014-12-01 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Taken in context, I saw this in the late 1980s through the mid 90s. Working with a number of government agencies at the time, I can say that the FAA was right at the top of the token government employee mind set. In fairness to them, at least on the infrastructure and support side, what I saw

Re: [MBZ] Let's raise the speed limit to 85 in MT!

2014-12-01 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
You flash people here driving in the left lane and they have no clue what you are doing, which also stands to reason they have no clue what they are doing either since they are driving in the left lane. The last 3 months I have had to drive at least 300 miles a day all highway and I would say i

Re: [MBZ] Let's raise the speed limit to 85 in MT!

2014-12-01 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
Well that spark actually got 32 over about 150 miles of 99.9% highway driving today. My 97 E300 gets 32-33 in mixed city/highway and is much larger and much more comfortable with much more power. On 12/1/2014 4:57 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote: Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote: Coul

Re: [MBZ] Let's raise the speed limit to 85 in MT!

2014-12-01 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
Or have rules similar to what the autobahn used to be. If you are impeding progress in the left lane, you get over or get fined. That is why MBs since 1963 or 64 have had high beam flashers. They are to signal to the car ahead (on the Autobahn or Autostrada) that you are closing and they ne

Re: [MBZ] Let's raise the speed limit to 85 in MT!

2014-12-01 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
Yes, I run into that daily with the semis. It is really bad on the Turner with all the hills. On 12/1/2014 7:53 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote: What scares me is the difference in speed driven on the highways. We drove from AR to OK Sat. There was a LOT of traffic in the toll road between Tulsa

Re: [MBZ] Let's raise the speed limit to 85 in MT!

2014-12-01 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes
Grant wrote: > Or as a friend of mine who is an FAA inspector says; "I'm from the FAA and > we're not happy until you're not happy" Maybe that is changing a bit? I know an Inspector and he says FAA is trying to help clients get to where they need to be rather than making them unhappy. mao ___

Re: [MBZ] Let's raise the speed limit to 85 in MT!

2014-12-01 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
Montana had a "reasonable and prudent" speed limit and thumbed their noses at the 55 speed limit. The goobers didn't like that, so put Montana over a barrel to pass a 55 speed limit. Montana did so, under duress, but in the law, the penalty was $5, payable to the state trooper. It also made

Re: [MBZ] Let's raise the speed limit to 85 in MT!

2014-12-01 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
What scares me is the difference in speed driven on the highways. We drove from AR to OK Sat. There was a LOT of traffic in the toll road between Tulsa and OKC. At one point traffic was backed up for close to a mile because one semi was driving 63 and trying to pass another that was driving 61 (or

Re: [MBZ] Let's raise the speed limit to 85 in MT!

2014-12-01 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Mon, 01 Dec 2014 17:45:48 -0500 Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: > Years ago in Montana and Nevada the speed limit was “Basic Rule”, I > believe. This pretty much meant you could drive at a reasonable speed > based on conditions. I recall driving from Denver to Los Angeles in December, 1971, t

Re: [MBZ] Let's raise the speed limit to 85 in MT!

2014-12-01 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Without revealing any names, I can tell you that I saw that quote on walls and over desks several times while working at the FAA headquarters in OKC. They truly lived and breathed that, I believe. Just like the phone company: “….because we can. We’re the phone company." Dan who remembers the

Re: [MBZ] Let's raise the speed limit to 85 in MT!

2014-12-01 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
I believe the original design was with speeds of at least 70 mph, with portions designed for 100+ mph average speeds. Dan > On Dec 1, 2014, at 7:40 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes > wrote: > > IIRC, the interstate system was designed to be driven at 70mph by a competent > driver in a '57 Chevy

Re: [MBZ] Let's raise the speed limit to 85 in MT!

2014-12-01 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
I have always been of the opinion that driving license should be done on a demonstrated skills and condition of car standard, with provision for an "Unlimited" license, meaning that after rigorous testing for reaction times, skill level, physical condition, drug and alcohol habits, and mechanical k

Re: [MBZ] Let's raise the speed limit to 85 in MT!

2014-12-01 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: He said the speed limit in his bill is negotiable. “Eighty-five would be fine with me,” he said. IIRC, the interstate system was designed to be driven at 70mph by a competent driver in a '57 Chevy with drum brakes and bias ply tires. Since then, the cars

Re: [MBZ] Let's raise the speed limit to 85 in MT!

2014-12-01 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote: Could you imagine driving a 240d in such conditions. Speaking of which, I am in Okc picking up one of our company cars that is a Chevy spark. I had to pick it up way south of the city and am in Okc now getting dinner before heading back to Tulsa. That car

Re: [MBZ] Let's raise the speed limit to 85 in MT!

2014-12-01 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
Could you imagine driving a 240d in such conditions. Speaking of which, I am in Okc picking up one of our company cars that is a Chevy spark. I had to pick it up way south of the city and am in Okc now getting dinner before heading back to Tulsa. That car has only a little more power than a 240d

Re: [MBZ] Let's raise the speed limit to 85 in MT!

2014-12-01 Thread WILTON via Mercedes
Nevada did not have a limit for many years; 'don't know 'bout now. Wilton - Original Message - From: "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Monday, December 01, 2014 5:24 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Let's raise

Re: [MBZ] Let's raise the speed limit to 85 in MT!

2014-12-01 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Years ago in Montana and Nevada the speed limit was “Basic Rule”, I believe. This pretty much meant you could drive at a reasonable speed based on conditions. I recall driving in Montana some years ago and there were no speed limits. Once you’ve been out there you can understand. The only th

Re: [MBZ] Let's raise the speed limit to 85 in MT!

2014-12-01 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
I thought Montana or somewhere like that did not have a speed limit but then had to have one because they got sued or something Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 1, 2014, at 4:05 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes > wrote: > > > The thing that scares me about this is the fact that many folks do not

Re: [MBZ] Let's raise the speed limit to 85 in MT!

2014-12-01 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
The thing that scares me about this is the fact that many folks do not maintain their cars well. If one is going to run that fast, then it is important to have a vehicle with decent tires and to maintain the brakes, suspension etc. It is amazing how often one sees vehicles on the streets that

Re: [MBZ] Let's raise the speed limit to 85 in MT!

2014-12-01 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
Gotta love Montana, texas and other states that don't just sheepishly follow the crowd. If you cruise at 70 better watch your rear view mirror... HELENA - Four state lawmakers are drafting bills for next year's legislative session that would raise the daytime speed limit on Montana interstate

[MBZ] Let's raise the speed limit to 85 in MT!

2014-12-01 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
If you cruise at 70 better watch your rear view mirror... HELENA – Four state lawmakers are drafting bills for next year’s legislative session that would raise the daytime speed limit on Montana interstate highways from 75 to 80 and possibly as high as 85 mph. State Rep. Mike Miller, R-Helmville,