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Scott wrote:
You can thank our legal system for the lack of innovation in aviation
today.
I would also thank our cookie cutter education system for lack
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Scott wrote:
You can thank our legal system for the lack of innovation in aviation
today.
I would also thank our cookie cutter education system for lack of
innovation and lack of invention
On 04/03/2014 6:09 PM, Mountain Man wrote:
Scott wrote:
You can thank our legal system for the lack of innovation in aviation today.
I would also thank our cookie cutter education system for lack of
innovation and lack of invention in anything today. We are cookie
cutter educated in all
Randy wrote:
Are you certain you want innovation in aviation?
Boeing was trying to do that with the 777 and has encountered issues that
could be dangerous.
777 is not innovation as much as it is refinement. Yes, innovation in
aviation would be interesting. Think of something other than
On Tue, 4 Mar 2014 22:53:48 -0600 Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com
wrote:
And then there's tort environs... still a total hindrance to innovation
today. And money. Orvill Wilbur seemed to be able to do things on
somewhat shoestring. Not too much since those halcyon days has been
Scott wrote:
You can thank our legal system for the lack of innovation in aviation today.
I would also thank our cookie cutter education system for lack of
innovation and lack of invention in anything today. We are cookie
cutter educated in all things, including legal system training.
mao
] Norwegian Air Shuttle Scheme
Scott wrote:
You can thank our legal system for the lack of innovation in aviation
today.
I would also thank our cookie cutter education system for lack of
innovation and lack of invention in anything today. We are cookie
cutter educated in all things
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Scott wrote:
You can thank our legal system for the lack of innovation in aviation
today.
I would also thank
Mann
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On that same thread.. one of the most advanced aircraft to be produced,
the
Beach Starship, an all composite canard design was a design strongly
influenced by Bert Rutan
Scott wrote:
There was
no shortage of US innovation during most of the period since 1960 (we went
to the moon, for example). But, given the US tort environment, there is no
business case for taking the risk to build a really-new general aviation
aircraft, only proven designs.
Terribly huge
Scott wrote:
The mindset that fosters this system is pervasive: Society is responsible
for me but I am responsible for nothing.
I gotta see Matrix again - thanks for the reminder.
We need to hear JFK more. Ask not what your country can do for you
but ask what you can do for your country.
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On that same thread.. one of the most advanced aircraft to be produced,
the
Beach Starship, an all composite canard design was a design strongly
influenced by Bert Rutan. Beach jumped through
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1960 (we went to the moon, for example). But, given the US tort
environment, there is no business case for taking the risk to build a
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On that same thread.. one of the most
Scott wrote: There was no shortage of US innovation during most of the
period since 1960 (we went to the moon, for example). But, given the
US tort environment, there is no business case for taking the risk to
build a really-new general aviation aircraft, only proven designs.
What about
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From: Hendrik and Fay heni...@gmail.com
Date:03/02/2014 7:29 PM (GMT-08:00)
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Norwegian Air Shuttle Scheme
I have not fully looked into it but Qantas
Grant wrote:
All-in-all,
it makes an interesting read below.
My son flies this guy's 35.
mao
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Aviation is a small world, when you count the players, not the passengers.
Something less than .03% of the population of USA hold pilots licenses, far
less than that hold commercial licenses, even less hold ATP. The laws of
chance say contact on some level is likely.
Small world huh Mao?
Grant wrote:
Aviation is a small world...
Small world huh Mao?
And big players/designers.
Where are the innovators like Lear today?
I think insistence on standard models and standard modes has decreased
innovation and invention.
Yep, that is success. Cookie cutter people. Cookie cutter
You can thank our legal system for the lack of innovation in aviation today.
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Sent: Monday, March 03, 2014 9:46 PM
And big players/designers.
Where are the innovators like Lear today?
I think insistence on standard models and standard
One of my buddies is retired airline pilot, a very low-key guy. Not sure he
wears a watch since he is retired.
--R (sent from my miniPad)
On Mar 3, 2014, at 11:19 AM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote:
Question: How do you pick a professional pilot out of a crowd?
Answer: Look for the Big
In nature, predators always take the weak from the herd first. In open
competition, only the strong win. In government imposed diversity that
natural balance is skewed. By government mandate, the banks that failed
were saved, Solandra got loans, government employees who don't produce are
F*ck nature and the survival of the fittest. We are better than that.
On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 11:35 AM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote:
In nature, predators always take the weak from the herd first. In open
competition, only the strong win. In government imposed diversity that
natural
Yup - I didn't think you were old enough to have flown Connies (I certainly
am not, though I have seen them in the wild) - and I never heard of one
with turbo props.
On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 9:35 PM, Jon Agne jonag...@gwi.net wrote:
OoopsI said ConstellationI meant Saratoga.
--
OK
P3 Orions (if that's what he is referring to) are still in service.
I worked with a couple of P3 groups that were stationed in the Pacific
Northwest and Aleutians as submarine sniffers in the northern Pacific and
Bering Sea.
Dan
On Mar 2, 2014, at 2:32 PM, OK Don wrote:
Yup - I didn't
Jon wrote:
OoopsI said ConstellationI meant Saratoga.
OK wrote:
Yup - I didn't think you were old enough to have flown Connies.
He didn't say he _flew_ a Constellation - but flew _to_ one.
Although I once did a radar approach to a fly by of the USS
Constellation.
So
I have not fully looked into it but Qantas is bleating about their
competitors getting assistance from their governments, how much truth
there is to that I do not know.
Hendrik
who gets a little assistance from the government
On 03/03/14 03:05, G Mann wrote:
In nature, predators always take
stall
on air France 443.
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Mountain Man wrote:
Ya think? - Do you really think they respond to constituents? I
suspect that is not realistic.
Fedgov's definition of constituent hasn't included voters in my lifetime.
Mitch.
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Mountain Man wrote:
Ya think? - Do you really think they respond to constituents? I
suspect that is not realistic.
Fedgov's definition of constituent hasn't included voters in my lifetime.
Mitch.
Constituent includes AFLxCIO, Goobermnt motors, GE and other major
fed contractors, all
I should have known better….Oh well.
On Mar 1, 2014, at 4:53 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:
Mountain Man wrote:
Ya think? - Do you really think they respond to constituents? I
suspect that is not realistic.
Fedgov's definition of constituent hasn't included voters in my
Qantas is in the red and gonna lay off a pile of workers, cut routes,
sell planes, etc
Maybe partly due to having a lot of union workers on very good rates.
Anyway it's all rosy as long as the politicians have a job. A well paid
job with lots of perks.
Hendrik
who is not in a union
On
Jon wrote:
I should have known betterOh well.
Spill the beans, please.
Don't just drive-by comment - please?
I'm interested to hear diverse opinions.
I believe our lack of diversity in waaay too many things in culture
today is castrating many things that could happen. We have diversity
in
HF wrote:
Qantas is in the red and gonna lay off a pile of workers, cut routes, sell
planes, etc
Maybe partly due to having a lot of union workers on very good rates.
Read the NYT article Jon put up about the way airlines are forming
today - very sad. But with wages and costs and shareholder
Speaking of flying…I’m sure this video will spark some comments.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qj9_jt_5jHYfeature=youtu.be
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I think he was thinking more in terms of what such a scheme would do the
hundreds of thousands of US citizens who are employed by the US air
transportation industry.
On Feb 28, 2014, at 10:20 AM, arche...@embarqmail.com wrote:
I couldn't understand the captain due to an echo, but I do
I couldn't understand the captain due to an echo, but I do remember
reading about a Norwegian airline that plans to offer fares much cheaper
than usual. His operation will be out of Ireland for some reason IIRC.
The writer of the article was of the opinion that the Norwegian would
fail since
Jon wrote:
I think he was thinking more in terms of what such a scheme would do the
hundreds of thousands of US citizens who are employed by the US air
transportation industry.
He makes it sound like Kaleb can train to be captain of 787 and
commute to Singapore for work. Probable pay might
Mao,
What is it exactly that you do for a living?
On Feb 28, 2014, at 9:30 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote:
Jon wrote:
I think he was thinking more in terms of what such a scheme would do the
hundreds of thousands of US citizens who are employed by the US air
transportation
Jon wrote:
What is it exactly that you do for a living?
I am not alive, therefore I do nothing to live.
I used to create drawings for commercial developments and wastewater
reclamation and reuse systems. That type of work is dead except for
new guys so this old guy steps aside in deference to
Jon wrote:
What is it exactly that you do for a living?
The more important question seems to be what a person such as yourself
close to the biz might think about your seniority telling things such
as this. Is this necessary? Can he solve the situation via gov't?
Is the wolf gonna eat your
Mao,
Yes, the WOLF just might eat the industry just as it did with the US maritime
industry in the 1960’s and 70’s. The government only responds to it’s
constituents, and if the constituents want a VIRTUAL airline responsible to
nobody, so be it. You’ll get what you pay for.
On Fri, 28 Feb 2014 22:04:01 -0500 Jon Agne jonag...@gwi.net wrote:
PS: I’d love to teach Kaleb to fly, but my FAA flight instructor
certificate expired in 1998, and besides he would not like my methods.
I teach in the US Navy style.
With every landing like that on a carrier?
Craig
Never landed on a carrier. I know how to fly AOA (angle-of-attack) approaches,
but the P-3 was 4-engine turboprop and landed on 6000-8000 foot runways.
(Although I once did a radar approach to a fly by of the USS Constellation.
On Feb 28, 2014, at 10:06 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote:
Craig wrote:
With every landing like that on a carrier?
Listen to NPR This American Life this weekend. The show was recorded
on the Stennis aircraft carrier and is an interesting exposure to
military life at sea on a huge 5,000 person boat.
Ooops….I said Constellation….I meant Saratoga.
On Feb 28, 2014, at 10:20 PM, Jon Agne jonag...@gwi.net wrote:
Never landed on a carrier. I know how to fly AOA (angle-of-attack)
approaches, but the P-3 was 4-engine turboprop and landed on 6000-8000 foot
runways. (Although I once did a radar
Jon wrote:
The government only responds to it's constituents, and if the constituents
want a VIRTUAL airline responsible to nobody, so be it. You'll get what you
pay for.
Ya think? - Do you really think they respond to constituents? I
suspect that is not realistic. They respond like
Jon wrote:
http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/02/07/a-virtual-airline-a-real-crash/?_php=true_type=blogssmid=fb-share_r=0
Really sad.
Then one of its planes crashed, killing the pilots and four others,
and Manx2 said it wasn't an airline after all. It was resolutely
earthbound, a mere ticket
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