Re: [MBZ] OM603/300SDL startup noise

2011-04-26 Thread Peter Frederick
It will also quiet down more and run smoother after you have proper injection on all cylinders for a while -- the pre-chamber will carbon up badly when the injectors don't fire properly. This will burn off with driving. Peter On Apr 25, 2011, at 6:46 PM, Tim C wrote: Two business days la

Re: [MBZ] OM603/300SDL startup noise

2011-04-26 Thread Max Dillon
k on) Charleston SC From: Tim C To: Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Mon, April 25, 2011 7:46:06 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OM603/300SDL startup noise Two business days later the significant line was waiting when I got home. I pushed it through and plugged it up, got

Re: [MBZ] OM603/300SDL startup noise

2011-04-25 Thread Tim C
Two business days later the significant line was waiting when I got home. I pushed it through and plugged it up, got a not-as-shaky but still noisy engine. Popped hood, realized I forgot to tighten half the connections (duh!), wrenched it down, engine settled to happy roar. Easy enough but nonet

Re: [MBZ] OM603/300SDL startup noise

2011-04-21 Thread Tim C
On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 11:01 PM, Jim Cathey wrote: >> What are the chances a used line at a junkyard will be good?  Do they >> fail often? > > Does your car (or any putative donor) have intact anti-vibration > clamps and pads?  The lines 'ring' if they're not there, and > fatigue crack in a hurry

Re: [MBZ] OM603/300SDL startup noise

2011-04-19 Thread Jim Cathey
What are the chances a used line at a junkyard will be good? Do they fail often? Does your car (or any putative donor) have intact anti-vibration clamps and pads? The lines 'ring' if they're not there, and fatigue crack in a hurry. Hey, I bet you could weld it! -- Jim

Re: [MBZ] OM603/300SDL startup noise

2011-04-19 Thread Dieselhead
PGA might sell you a used line for $50 or so. Last new one I bought was $125. It PAYS to keep the plastic and metal holders for the injector lines clamped down tight. Last time I bought a set, it was maybe $350. Six or eight years ago. Wish I'd kept the five used ones. Ah, that makes

Re: [MBZ] OM603/300SDL startup noise

2011-04-19 Thread Tim C
Ah, that makes sense. Bummer. On the up side it looks like this particular one is relatively easy to replace, it has the fewest connectors and the best chance of wiggling under the intake manifold. For the very short term, I put in a stretchy 3/16" neoprene washer from my friendly Home Depot. C

Re: [MBZ] OM603/300SDL startup noise

2011-04-19 Thread Dieselhead
John Reames has a good writeup for 606 which has the same DV, that marshall added to. I added my own notes. You can find it in archives or I will send it directly if you want. This afternoon (another warm day!) it got a lot worse all at once, and just now I caught it in the act: one of the d

Re: [MBZ] OM603/300SDL startup noise

2011-04-19 Thread Peter Frederick
Sorry, you don't have a delivery valve problem, you have a cracked injector line. Buy a new one, they cannot be repaired. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive

Re: [MBZ] OM603/300SDL startup noise

2011-04-19 Thread Tim C
er Frederick wrote: > Get new o-rings and copper seals and do the job properly -- you are losing > prime on the IP and it will be very hard to start in cold weather. > > Peter > > > -Original Message- >>From: Tim C >>Sent: Apr 19, 2011 1:30 PM >>To

Re: [MBZ] OM603/300SDL startup noise

2011-04-19 Thread Peter Frederick
Get new o-rings and copper seals and do the job properly -- you are losing prime on the IP and it will be very hard to start in cold weather. Peter -Original Message- >From: Tim C >Sent: Apr 19, 2011 1:30 PM >To: Mercedes Discussion List >Subject: Re: [MBZ] OM603/300SDL s

Re: [MBZ] OM603/300SDL startup noise

2011-04-19 Thread Tim C
This afternoon (another warm day!) it got a lot worse all at once, and just now I caught it in the act: one of the delivery valve holders (#3 from front) is spurting fuel. Seeing it reminded me that it was repaired by the PO using silicon tape, and since it was working I'd forgotten it. Anyway I

Re: [MBZ] OM603/300SDL startup noise

2011-04-07 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
lifters? On 4/6/2011 10:39 PM, Tim C wrote: I started the '87 300SDL with the #22 head 7 times after noon today. Four of the times, there was a distinct loudness for a second or two after start. The first time I was at the fuel station, and it literally sounded like a big truck started right ne

Re: [MBZ] OM603/300SDL startup noise

2011-04-07 Thread Mountain Man
Could be something simple? - like motor mounts got squished or engine assembly is not settled in to running position? Normal motor sounds are being amplified through the body as a result of diminished dampening from motor mounts and other noise dampening mechanisms? mao _

Re: [MBZ] OM603/300SDL startup noise

2011-04-07 Thread Tim C
On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 8:17 AM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote: > 1.  Have you changed the little orings on the stem (center bolt) of the oil > filter lid recently? No, that is a nice thought. I will try that first, I probably have a couple sitting around. > 2.  Could be the chain tensio

Re: [MBZ] OM603/300SDL startup noise

2011-04-07 Thread Dieselhead
Forgot to add, that in the case of #2, the tensioner loosing oil pressure, refer to #1: Change the two orings on the oil filter cover stem. I started the '87 300SDL with the #22 head 7 times after noon today. Four of the times, there was a distinct loudness for a second or two after start. Th

Re: [MBZ] OM603/300SDL startup noise

2011-04-07 Thread Dieselhead
1. Have you changed the little orings on the stem (center bolt) of the oil filter lid recently? 2. Could be the chain tensioner is letting go. If so, the chain probably it tired too. 3. I thought about an injector nailing, but your description sounds like it is all cylinders. 4. Could be c

Re: [MBZ] OM603/300SDL startup noise

2011-04-07 Thread Max Dillon
dry until the head is back on) Charleston SC From: Tim C To: Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Wed, April 6, 2011 11:39:14 PM Subject: [MBZ] OM603/300SDL startup noise I started the '87 300SDL with the #22 head 7 times after noon today. Four of the tim

Re: [MBZ] OM603/300SDL startup noise

2011-04-06 Thread Jim Cathey
- Might the starter not be disengaging? Is that really a failure mode for a 603, and how would I be able to tell if that was it? Ours did that once, but I wasn't there. (Wife was.) It wouldn't stop, and started smoking before it finally released itself. It got a new starter shortly thereaft

[MBZ] OM603/300SDL startup noise

2011-04-06 Thread Tim C
I started the '87 300SDL with the #22 head 7 times after noon today. Four of the times, there was a distinct loudness for a second or two after start. The first time I was at the fuel station, and it literally sounded like a big truck started right next to me. At first I thought it was just an ec