Re: [MBZ] OM617 valve stem seals

2006-02-28 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
Later engines dont have that style of pump, its a piston type pump and does not blow the air back to the manifold. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 2/27/2006 1:35:17 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yes, I do see the smoke and do not keep the oil level

Re: [MBZ] OM617 valve stem seals

2006-02-28 Thread Luther Gulseth
I see that..I plan to do that as soon as I have a free evening. ~On Mon, Feb 27, 2006 at 07:32:02PM -0500, Marshall Booth wrote: ~> I d sure try a compression test before I started serious surgery (one of ~> the FEW times one might be useful). ~ ~Wow. Luther, if Marshall recommends a compress

Re: [MBZ] OM617 valve stem seals

2006-02-28 Thread Jim Cathey
The new turbo sounds like a police siren a couple blocks back and that is NORMAL for the Volvo! It is also what a Cummins sounds like if you do not have the silencer ring installed in the input throat of the turbo. It's some kind of big washer doodad that wrecks whatever airflow is allowing

Re: [MBZ] OM617 valve stem seals

2006-02-28 Thread JFreezn
In a message dated 2/27/2006 1:35:17 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yes, I do see the smoke and do not keep the oil level above the midway mark between Add and Max. I usually let it drop to the Add mark or slightly below before I add 1 or 2 quarts. I'll check

Re: [MBZ] OM617 valve stem seals

2006-02-28 Thread Peter Frederick
Smoke on acceleration is often a bad turbo -- I know someone who got a W140 for next to nothing (less than $8000 a year or so ago) because it blew so much blue smoke -- not bent rods in that case, but a blow turbo dumping oil in the exhaust. Valve guide seals won't fix leaking guides, anyway,

Re: [MBZ] OM617 valve stem seals

2006-02-28 Thread Kevin
On Mon, Feb 27, 2006 at 07:32:02PM -0500, Marshall Booth wrote: > I d sure try a compression test before I started serious surgery (one of > the FEW times one might be useful). Wow. Luther, if Marshall recommends a compression test (which he never does), then you should do that first :) K

Re: [MBZ] OM617 valve stem seals

2006-02-28 Thread Peter Frederick
Worn out guides usually results in worn out valves and starting problems cold -- turbo seals are a good place to look. I do have an on topic turbo story, although not a Benz. I also have a Volvo TD sedan -- nice car, 2.4L turbo diesel turning out 115 hp or so, but a little smoky and sluggish

Re: [MBZ] OM617 valve stem seals

2006-02-28 Thread Marshall Booth
Luther Gulseth wrote: If it's the turbo seal, will that burn in the exhaust or leak out? That's what has me confused the most. The car starts in the cold (down to 10-15 degrees) as easily as could be expected when using Delo 400 and there are no major drops or smells of oil coming from the en

Re: [MBZ] OM617 valve stem seals

2006-02-27 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
They will usually start as if nothing is wrong if only 1 cylinder is low. Luther Gulseth wrote: If it's the turbo seal, will that burn in the exhaust or leak out? That's what has me confused the most. The car starts in the cold (down to 10-15 degrees) as easily as could be expected when usin

Re: [MBZ] OM617 valve stem seals

2006-02-27 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
I dont think valve seals will cause that kind of burn. I would look for a low cylinder, or maybe the turbo is dumping oil into the system. How much blowby do you have? Luther Gulseth wrote: How common is it for the valve stem seals to be a major source of oil burn? My coupe is buring (I'm

Re: [MBZ] OM617 valve stem seals

2006-02-27 Thread Loren Faeth
>On these diesels merely putting the piston in the right place >will usually do the job, or so I hear. yeah, but it is much easier to take out the cam so you can get to the valves easily. that is where the air comes in. You DON'T want to be dropping valves into the cylinders, unless you are p

Re: [MBZ] OM617 valve stem seals

2006-02-27 Thread Jim Cathey
You will need to employ some method of keeping the valves from falling into the engine. Constant air pressure is the best way to accomplish this. On these diesels merely putting the piston in the right place will usually do the job, or so I hear. -- Jim

Re: [MBZ] OM617 valve stem seals

2006-02-27 Thread Luther Gulseth
If it's the turbo seal, will that burn in the exhaust or leak out? That's what has me confused the most. The car starts in the cold (down to 10-15 degrees) as easily as could be expected when using Delo 400 and there are no major drops or smells of oil coming from the engine bay. Luther ~Valv

Re: [MBZ] OM617 valve stem seals

2006-02-27 Thread Luther Gulseth
Yes, I do see the smoke and do not keep the oil level above the midway mark between Add and Max. I usually let it drop to the Add mark or slightly below before I add 1 or 2 quarts. I'll check it the next day and usually it's nearly exactly at the middle of the add/max. Luther ~ ~On Feb 27, 2

Re: [MBZ] OM617 valve stem seals

2006-02-27 Thread Trampas
To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OM617 valve stem seals On Feb 27, 2006, at 12:07 PM, Luther Gulseth wrote: > How common is it for the valve stem seals to be a major source of oil > burn? My coupe is buring (I'm absolutely positive it's NOT a > leak) about 1qt

Re: [MBZ] OM617 valve stem seals

2006-02-27 Thread John Berryman
On Feb 27, 2006, at 12:07 PM, Luther Gulseth wrote: How common is it for the valve stem seals to be a major source of oil burn? My coupe is buring (I'm absolutely positive it's NOT a leak) about 1qt/300mi. The ground under my car at work (assigned parking-same each day) will only have 2-

Re: [MBZ] OM617 valve stem seals

2006-02-27 Thread Luther Gulseth
Oh I drive it hard enough! I have a natural lead foot, and enjoy putting my foot to the floor on longer on ramps. I'm very certain that it's not leaking anywhere. If it was dropping onto something hot, I'd smell it either all the time, or when I stop and idle, or when I'm running the car and p

Re: [MBZ] OM617 valve stem seals

2006-02-27 Thread Marshall Booth
Luther Gulseth wrote: How common is it for the valve stem seals to be a major source of oil burn? My coupe is buring (I'm absolutely positive it's NOT a leak) about 1qt/300mi. The ground under my car at work (assigned parking-same each day) will only have 2-4 tiny drops of oil, the rear unde

Re: [MBZ] OM617 valve stem seals

2006-02-27 Thread Kevin
On Mon, Feb 27, 2006 at 12:07:46PM -0500, Luther Gulseth wrote: > How common is it for the valve stem seals to be a major source of oil burn? > My coupe is buring (I'm absolutely positive it's NOT a leak) about > 1qt/300mi. The ground under my car at work (assigned parking-same each > day) wil

Re: [MBZ] OM617 valve stem seals

2006-02-27 Thread Jim Cathey
How common is it for the valve stem seals to be a major source of oil burn? My understanding on these diesels, especially the turbo-diesels, is 'not very'. The turbos run with positive manifold pressure a good portion of the time, which means that the prevailing winds (so to speak) are pushing

Re: [MBZ] OM617 valve stem seals

2006-02-27 Thread Michael Hall
Hows the turbo? Seems like a lot of oil for just the valve stem seals. Mike >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >On Behalf Of Luther Gulseth >Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 12:08 PM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: [MBZ] OM617 valve

[MBZ] OM617 valve stem seals

2006-02-27 Thread Luther Gulseth
How common is it for the valve stem seals to be a major source of oil burn? My coupe is buring (I'm absolutely positive it's NOT a leak) about 1qt/300mi. The ground under my car at work (assigned parking-same each day) will only have 2-4 tiny drops of oil, the rear underside, bumper, and backe