Re: [MBZ] OT: Do GFCI receptacles go bad?

2010-01-03 Thread Max Dillon
-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Allan Streib Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 7:49 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Do GFCI receptacles go bad? Have not really been following this thread, but is there a motor of any kind on the circuit? Motor

Re: [MBZ] OT: Do GFCI receptacles go bad?

2010-01-02 Thread Scott Ritchey
: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Do GFCI receptacles go bad? Dave, I'm convinced that water was somewhere that the GFCI didn't like, due to the power washing. I'm going on 36 hours without a trip event now, but this is a new GFCI receptacle. I'm tempted

Re: [MBZ] OT: Do GFCI receptacles go bad?

2010-01-02 Thread Allan Streib
Have not really been following this thread, but is there a motor of any kind on the circuit? Motors can cause GFCIs to trip when they shut off. Allan "Max Dillon" writes: > Dave, > > I'm convinced that water was somewhere that the GFCI didn't like, due to the > power washing. I'm going on 36

Re: [MBZ] OT: Do GFCI receptacles go bad?

2010-01-02 Thread Max Dillon
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of dave walton Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 11:48 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Do GFCI receptacles go bad? Last time I saw an intermittent problem like that was at my sister's hou

Re: [MBZ] OT: Do GFCI receptacles go bad?

2010-01-02 Thread dave walton
Last time I saw an intermittent problem like that was at my sister's house in rural Ohio. A mouse had made a nest in the wall and chewed the insulation off some romex. The GFCI kept the mouse from being electrocuted unfortunately. The thing tripped occasionally over the span of several weeks. I can

Re: [MBZ] OT: Do GFCI receptacles go bad?

2010-01-01 Thread Max Dillon
: [MBZ] OT: Do GFCI receptacles go bad? On Fri, 1 Jan 2010 16:00:24 -0600 Peter Frederick wrote: > GFI's pop from either current flow or voltage to ground, The only way they trip is if the currents flowing through the line and neutral (the two blade terminals on a receptacle) are not equ

Re: [MBZ] OT: Do GFCI receptacles go bad?

2010-01-01 Thread Max Dillon
oesn't fix it. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of WILTON Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 5:56 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Do GFCI receptacles go bad? When the house was washed,

Re: [MBZ] OT: Do GFCI receptacles go bad?

2010-01-01 Thread Max Dillon
-Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Peter Frederick Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 5:00 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Do GFCI receptacles go bad? Are there any fluorescent lamps (inludin

Re: [MBZ] OT: Do GFCI receptacles go bad?

2010-01-01 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Fri, 1 Jan 2010 16:00:24 -0600 Peter Frederick wrote: > GFI's pop from either current flow or voltage to ground, The only way they trip is if the currents flowing through the line and neutral (the two blade terminals on a receptacle) are not equal. Note that line is typically the black wire (

Re: [MBZ] OT: Do GFCI receptacles go bad?

2010-01-01 Thread WILTON
iday, January 01, 2010 4:39 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Do GFCI receptacles go bad? Well, the GFCI receptacle probably wasn't bad, which may mean I've got a wiring problem. Does anyone know what kind of resistance I should be finding between Line and Neutral (black wire and white wire)?

Re: [MBZ] OT: Do GFCI receptacles go bad?

2010-01-01 Thread Peter Frederick
Are there any fluorescent lamps (inluding the compact fluorescent ones) on that circuit? We have had fits at work with GFI breakers intermittently popping for no reason with our TOC analyzers, all of which have mercury vapor lamps. Turns out that there is enough current leakage from the l

Re: [MBZ] OT: Do GFCI receptacles go bad?

2010-01-01 Thread Max Dillon
Well, the GFCI receptacle probably wasn't bad, which may mean I've got a wiring problem. Does anyone know what kind of resistance I should be finding between Line and Neutral (black wire and white wire)? I had expected that a typical isolated circuit would have infinite resistance between Line an

Re: [MBZ] OT: Do GFCI receptacles go bad?

2009-12-30 Thread WILTON
edes Discussion List" Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 4:21 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Do GFCI receptacles go bad? Max Dillon wrote: I think the NEC now requires them for bathrooms, kitchen, outside receptacles, and garage. I don't have them in garage, maybe I'll get a two-pack a

Re: [MBZ] OT: Do GFCI receptacles go bad?

2009-12-30 Thread Mitch Haley
Max Dillon wrote: I think the NEC now requires them for bathrooms, kitchen, outside receptacles, and garage. I don't have them in garage, maybe I'll get a two-pack and install in my garage. Need to figure out which receptacle is furthest upstream. That sounds about right, but I hadn't heard

Re: [MBZ] OT: Do GFCI receptacles go bad?

2009-12-30 Thread Max Dillon
Ahh, thanks for that confirmation Wilton. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of WILTON Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 3:10 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Do GFCI receptacles go bad? Oh

Re: [MBZ] OT: Do GFCI receptacles go bad?

2009-12-30 Thread Max Dillon
Behalf Of Craig McCluskey Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 2:56 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Do GFCI receptacles go bad? On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 14:43:25 -0500 "WILTON" wrote: > A GFCI "looks" for an imbalance of 5 milliamps or more between the hot >

Re: [MBZ] OT: Do GFCI receptacles go bad?

2009-12-30 Thread WILTON
tested. These should also be replaced, of course. Wilton - Original Message - From: "WILTON" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 2:53 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Do GFCI receptacles go bad? BTW, Lowes has GFCI receptacles for $16 and $

Re: [MBZ] OT: Do GFCI receptacles go bad?

2009-12-30 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 14:43:25 -0500 "WILTON" wrote: > A GFCI "looks" for an imbalance of 5 milliamps or more between the hot > and neutral conductors of the circuit it protects. A grounding > conductor is not even needed for a GFCI to work properly and works very > well on older circuits with

Re: [MBZ] OT: Do GFCI receptacles go bad?

2009-12-30 Thread WILTON
BTW, Lowes has GFCI receptacles for $16 and $31; GFCI breakers (for dist. panel) for $61. Wilton - Original Message - From: "WILTON" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 2:43 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Do GFCI receptacles go bad? A

Re: [MBZ] OT: Do GFCI receptacles go bad?

2009-12-30 Thread WILTON
ound or when an "appliance" pulls too much current for the "size" (rating) of the breaker. Wilton - Original Message - From: "Max Dillon" To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 8:21 AM Subject: Re

Re: [MBZ] OT: Do GFCI receptacles go bad?

2009-12-30 Thread Max Dillon
e: [MBZ] OT: Do GFCI receptacles go bad? So, the GFCI runs more than just its own outlet? The ground wire running to other stuff like the fan, can you read voltage from that wire to either the hot or neutral? If not, then you probably don't have a ground fault and should try replaci

Re: [MBZ] OT: Do GFCI receptacles go bad?

2009-12-29 Thread Mitch Haley
So, the GFCI runs more than just its own outlet? The ground wire running to other stuff like the fan, can you read voltage from that wire to either the hot or neutral? If not, then you probably don't have a ground fault and should try replacing the GFCI. Mitch. __

Re: [MBZ] OT: Do GFCI receptacles go bad?

2009-12-29 Thread Chris N John
Max Dillon wrote: I think I've got a bad one. Several weeks ago I had my house power-washed, and the fan in the screened-in back porch got wet and shorted out and tripped the GFCI receptacle. Once I'd figured out the problem and removed the fan, leaving the wires capped with wire nuts and tucke

Re: [MBZ] OT: Do GFCI receptacles go bad?

2009-12-29 Thread Max Dillon
Thanks Dave! -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of dave walton Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 8:37 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Do GFCI receptacles go bad? Yes. Just had to replace the

Re: [MBZ] OT: Do GFCI receptacles go bad?

2009-12-29 Thread dave walton
Yes. Just had to replace the one under the sink that powers the hot tap and dishwasher. You can get a new 10-pack on eBay for what Home Depot charges for 2 of them. -Dave Walton On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 8:27 PM, Max Dillon wrote: > I think I've got a bad one.  Several weeks ago I had my house po

[MBZ] OT: Do GFCI receptacles go bad?

2009-12-29 Thread Max Dillon
I think I've got a bad one. Several weeks ago I had my house power-washed, and the fan in the screened-in back porch got wet and shorted out and tripped the GFCI receptacle. Once I'd figured out the problem and removed the fan, leaving the wires capped with wire nuts and tucked safely into the bo