Re: [MBZ] OT: Generator voltage spikes

2006-12-22 Thread Jim Cathey
I have a question about these non center tapped generators. How do the 110-120v outlets work on these, or do they even have 120v outlets? They wouldn't/couldn't. But the lack of a center tap could be because it's broken, not because it shouldn't have one. Best to check! And of course your self

Re: [MBZ] OT: Generator voltage spikes

2006-12-22 Thread Mitch Haley
I have a question about these non center tapped generators. How do the 110-120v outlets work on these, or do they even have 120v outlets? Mitch.

Re: [MBZ] OT: Generator voltage spikes

2006-12-22 Thread David Brodbeck
Mitch Haley wrote: > Jim Cathey wrote: > >> Yes. This fellow had a 220V generator that did _not_ have a center >> tap, which meant that unless the two 110V sides of the home's wiring >> were _exactly_ balanced as to load (and they never, ever are) one >> side was going to see more than 110V, an

Re: [MBZ] OT: Generator voltage spikes

2006-12-21 Thread Mitch Haley
Jim Cathey wrote: > > Yes. This fellow had a 220V generator that did _not_ have a center > tap, which meant that unless the two 110V sides of the home's wiring > were _exactly_ balanced as to load (and they never, ever are) one > side was going to see more than 110V, and one less. Up to and >

Re: [MBZ] OT: Generator voltage spikes

2006-12-21 Thread Mitch Haley
Jim Cathey wrote: > Undervoltage will kill motors, though well pumps these days > usually have some solid-state protection circuitry located at > the bore head. I had a motor/generator repairman tell me of the time a contractor killed "every appliance in the house" when he had a non-center tappe

Re: [MBZ] OT: Generator voltage spikes

2006-12-21 Thread Jim Cathey
I already know my genny won't kill the well pump. If you use the wrong genny (maybe Jim Cathey can tell us why) the well pump is the most expensive thing you could fry, so it's a bad place to start. Undervoltage will kill motors, though well pumps these days usually have some solid-state protect

Re: [MBZ] OT: Generator voltage spikes

2006-12-21 Thread Jim Cathey
I have a 3700 watt generator, but don't quite know of a simple means to tie into my home circuitry to run all my essentials (well, h2o heater, A male-to-male 'pins-o-death' (as I call it) cable you make up yourself. I usually just pick up a dryer plug that mates with a handy one and flange on

Re: [MBZ] OT: Generator voltage spikes

2006-12-21 Thread Mitch Haley
Mitch Haley wrote: > What I do (not NEC approved) is wire up a patch cord with a dryer plug > on one end, and a plug that fits the 240v socket on the generator on the > other end. Boy, did I forget something. First test the genny, to make sure it has two good 120v sides on the 240v circuit. A l

Re: [MBZ] OT: Generator voltage spikes

2006-12-21 Thread Mitch Haley
Zeitgeist wrote: > I have a 3700 watt generator, but don't quite know of a simple means to tie > into my home circuitry to run all my essentials (well, h2o heater, > dishwasher, etc.). What I do (not NEC approved) is wire up a patch cord with a dryer plug on one end, and a plug that fits the 24

Re: [MBZ] OT: Generator voltage spikes

2006-12-21 Thread Zeitgeist
Follow up: It's been nearly a week and we're still without power. The nice folks all around me have power, but for some reason I live on a cursed circuit, which is tied to the worst of the storm damage nearly a mile from here. I'm already thinking of ways to create alternatives for powering all

Re: [MBZ] OT: Generator voltage spikes

2006-12-19 Thread Jim Cathey
run the UPS side fully isolated from the line via the inverter, so no surprises, because the system is always running via the batteries, That's supposedly what this unit does. It won't even power up anything unless the batteries are good. So what do you have there, a kw or so of ocmputers? Ad

Re: [MBZ] OT: Generator voltage spikes

2006-12-19 Thread Mitch Haley
Jim Cathey wrote: > I'd been impressed with it up 'til that point. The load bar was > only on 2 or 3 out of 6 at that time, though there were four > computers on, with monitors, and the network gear. So what do you have there, a kw or so of ocmputers? Adds a whole new meaning to "electric home

Re: [MBZ] OT: Generator voltage spikes

2006-12-18 Thread David Brodbeck
John M McIntosh wrote: > A while back I picked up a 2Kwa and 1Kwa HP powerwise UPS. These fine > UPS made by > HP before that division was bought out by APC run the UPS side fully > isolated from the line via the inverter... Those are the ultimate in power stability. I've heard that type of u

Re: [MBZ] OT: Generator voltage spikes

2006-12-18 Thread John M McIntosh
A while back I picked up a 2Kwa and 1Kwa HP powerwise UPS. These fine UPS made by HP before that division was bought out by APC run the UPS side fully isolated from the line via the inverter, so no surprises, because the system is always running via the batteries, which is why I picked them u

Re: [MBZ] OT: Generator voltage spikes

2006-12-18 Thread Jim Cathey
That doesn't sound like it's working right - my APC 2200 unit handles everything the power company dishes out (or doesn't dish out) just fine. Two PCs, printer, all the network gear, amateur radio, sound system, all run without a hiccup while the lights are flickering off, going off for half an ho

Re: [MBZ] OT: Generator voltage spikes

2006-12-18 Thread OK Don
That doesn't sound like it's working right - my APC 2200 unit handles everything the power company dishes out (or doesn't dish out) just fine. Two PCs, printer, all the network gear, amateur radio, sound system, all run without a hiccup while the lights are flickering off, going off for half an ho

Re: [MBZ] OT: Generator voltage spikes

2006-12-18 Thread kevin kraly
I would anticipate that this one has one 12V gel cell or two smaller 6V ones since it's about 11"x13" and 7 or 8" deep. It's gotten to where it won't hold a charge at all, so they (or it) must be bad. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 265K miles, Ursula

Re: [MBZ] OT: Generator voltage spikes

2006-12-18 Thread Jim Cathey
I'm presently without power, and may be for some time, due to recent wind storm activity. My generator blew up my surge protector, so I'm running my DSL modem off of the battery from my van, and using our laptop w/wireless. I strongly suspect our generator is malfunctioning and pumping an unre

Re: [MBZ] OT: Generator voltage spikes

2006-12-18 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Sun, 17 Dec 2006 10:41:18 -0500 Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If it's twelve volt, you can just put a spare group 49 from your mbz > next to it and wire it up. That'll really extend your runtime. Yes, but you can't use your runtime very many times. Automotive batteries are not meant

Re: [MBZ] OT: Generator voltage spikes

2006-12-18 Thread OK Don
I think that gel cells require a more gentle charging than wet cells. If this is true, the trolling motor batteries should do fine. On 12/17/06, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: OK Don wrote: > > I just replaced the batteries in my APC Smart UPS 2200. It uses 8 12 > volt batteries, serie

Re: [MBZ] OT: Generator voltage spikes

2006-12-18 Thread David Brodbeck
Mitch Haley wrote: > 12v, 7AH, $20.50x8. > I wonder what two trolling motor batteries of 40+AH would cost? > And if wet cells would enjoy the charging regime of the UPS? Should be OK. You'd have all the usual disadvantages of wet cells, though -- acid drips, flammable vapors that have to be ven

Re: [MBZ] OT: Generator voltage spikes

2006-12-18 Thread Mitch Haley
OK Don wrote: > > I just replaced the batteries in my APC Smart UPS 2200. It uses 8 12 > volt batteries, series parallel at 24V. The batteries are Panasonic > LC-R127R2P. The best deal I found was at Portable Power Systems, Inc. > - http://www.gotbatteries.com/ 12v, 7AH, $20.50x8. I wonder wh

Re: [MBZ] OT: Generator voltage spikes

2006-12-18 Thread David Brodbeck
Zeitgeist wrote: > Would Boeing Surplus be a good source for these? Where can one locate the > new gel cells? For used UPS units, RePC is often a good bet. Check out the "AS IS" aisle, particularly -- that's where I got three of them for $1 each. I don't usually see them at Boeing. Gel cells c

Re: [MBZ] OT: Generator voltage spikes

2006-12-18 Thread Zeitgeist
Would Boeing Surplus be a good source for these? Where can one locate the new gel cells? Can these be purchased new at a computer supply place, like Office Depot? On 12/16/06, David Brodbeck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Higher-end computer UPS units will do it. Look for one with "buck/boost"

Re: [MBZ] OT: Generator voltage spikes

2006-12-17 Thread Van Cleve
cCluskey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Generator voltage spikes To: Mercedes Discussion List Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 16:51:44 -0800 Van Cleve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Zeitgeist wrote: > > I

Re: [MBZ] OT: Generator voltage spikes

2006-12-17 Thread Mitch Haley
kevin kraly wrote: > > > My wife has one of these UPS systems with bad batteries, so it's a good > thing we're still hangin' onto it. It looks like the unit will have to be > split to get to the batteries. Look for #1 or #2 phillips head screws in the bottom of the case. Some of the APCs eve

Re: [MBZ] OT: Generator voltage spikes

2006-12-17 Thread kevin kraly
The batteries are usually easy-to-replace, standard-size gel cells. My wife has one of these UPS systems with bad batteries, so it's a good thing we're still hangin' onto it. It looks like the unit will have to be split to get to the batteries. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 265K miles, U

Re: [MBZ] OT: Generator voltage spikes

2006-12-17 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 20:31:26 -0800 David Brodbeck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Craig McCluskey wrote: > >> > >http://www.apc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=LE1200# > > > > > Lots of interesting specs, but they're missing the important ones. > > Like, what input voltage range

Re: [MBZ] OT: Generator voltage spikes

2006-12-17 Thread David Brodbeck
Craig McCluskey wrote: >> http://www.apc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=LE1200# >> > > Lots of interesting specs, but they're missing the important ones. Like, > what input voltage range gives what output voltage range? > It sort of does here: http://sturgeon.apcc.com/tec

Re: [MBZ] OT: Generator voltage spikes

2006-12-17 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 16:51:44 -0800 Van Cleve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Zeitgeist wrote: > > I'm presently without power, and may be for some time, due to recent > > wind storm activity. My generator blew up my surge protector, so I'm > > running my DSL modem off of the battery from my van,

Re: [MBZ] OT: Generator voltage spikes

2006-12-17 Thread Van Cleve
Message: 17 Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 14:35:21 -0800 From: David Brodbeck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Generator voltage spikes To: Mercedes Discussion List Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Zeitgeist wrote: > I'm pre

Re: [MBZ] OT: Generator voltage spikes

2006-12-16 Thread Werner Fehlauer
cussion List" Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 5:29 PM Subject: [MBZ] OT: Generator voltage spikes I'm presently without power, and may be for some time, due to recent wind storm activity. My generator blew up my surge protector, so I'm running my DSL modem off of the batte

Re: [MBZ] OT: Generator voltage spikes

2006-12-16 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 14:29:27 -0800 Zeitgeist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm presently without power, and may be for some time, due to recent > wind storm activity. My generator blew up my surge protector, so I'm > running my DSL modem off of the battery from my van, and using our > laptop w/wir

Re: [MBZ] OT: Generator voltage spikes

2006-12-16 Thread David Brodbeck
Zeitgeist wrote: > I'm presently without power, and may be for some time, due to recent wind > storm activity. My generator blew up my surge protector, so I'm running my > DSL modem off of the battery from my van, and using our laptop w/wireless. > I strongly suspect our generator is malfunctionin

[MBZ] OT: Generator voltage spikes

2006-12-16 Thread Zeitgeist
I'm presently without power, and may be for some time, due to recent wind storm activity. My generator blew up my surge protector, so I'm running my DSL modem off of the battery from my van, and using our laptop w/wireless. I strongly suspect our generator is malfunctioning and pumping an unregul